There's no way Titan programming would allow the Bronze's to help the Burning Legion invade if the change actually stops the summoning from happening.
Actually I think it might. The Titans wanted the one true timeline maintained nice and smoothly. And, well, that timeline may be lost but the Bronzes deflected to maintaining the timeline they are from. And I bet that's sufficient for them to continue maintaining said timeline even if things break towards the original. Because they've been running off that logic far, far longer than the original. And Titans programming is rather, uh, direct. I expect as long as they think they are doing the correct job it is satisfied.
 
Actually I think it might. The Titans wanted the one true timeline maintained nice and smoothly. And, well, that timeline may be lost but the Bronzes deflected to maintaining the timeline they are from. And I bet that's sufficient for them to continue maintaining said timeline even if things break towards the original. Because they've been running off that logic far, far longer than the original. And Titans programming is rather, uh, direct. I expect as long as they think they are doing the correct job it is satisfied.
That doesn't jive with the Titans locking the Bronze's out of certain parts of the timeline.

And actively erasing their memories of other parts.
 
That doesn't jive with the Titans locking the Bronze's out of certain parts of the timeline.

And actively erasing their memories of other parts.
That seems to be different than their safeguards, though. Rather that's just the Titans giving orders and dragons being helpless but to obey. But since there are no titans around to give orders to the contrary…
 
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Chromie looked around at us, "Okay, everybody here, everybody got everything? Wrathion?" she asked, looking at him.

Wrathion nodded and crossed his arms, "I returned the shelter to the stone it came from, any traces should be gone in a week or two."

"Good. Atregos?" she then asked, looking at me.

I held out a small gold necklace towards her, "I sealed the entrance of the construct, don't want some local troll wandering in and accidentally ending the world" I said, "I think I rigged it so it will still report as active to anyone that checks, but just in case I put a thing in that if it's reactivated this will start to vibrate."

Chrome took it, slipping it around her neck with a smile, "Good idea," she said and then looked at the rest, "Any other ideas or last thoughts?"

Silence.

Chromie waited a moment before she nodded, "Okay then!" she exclaimed, "Everybody onto the ship. I'll drop us a about a week before the anomaly."

I waited for everybody else to walk onboard before I looked at Chromie, "A week?" I asked.

"About a week," she admitted, "A week before the first signs we can locate."

I nodded in thought, "Okay," I agreed and walked onto the ship, heading for the control orb and waited for Chromie to enter before I touched the orb and closed the door, "Everybody sit down and hold on."

Then I brought the ship up to a hover before I looked at Chromie, "All ready?"

She nodded and raised her arms as she walked up next to me, "Been a while since I made a portal this big," she admitted, "When I tell go, go through. Not sure how long I will be able to keep this one open."

"Got it," I agreed and kept my hand on the orb.

Chromies hands started to glow golden, a mist flowing around them and beyond the windows a point of golden light glowed before starting to slowly rotate.

Slowly it started to grow, flowing outwards into a circle, revealing a dark night on the other side of the portal, sunlight and light of the portal flowing in from our side to lighting up the stone platform on the other side.

It went to the same location, not a different place, just a different time.

The portal grew and grew, Chromies hands trembling slightly as she spread them before she nodded firmly, "Go!"

I sent us forward, the ship flowing smoothly through the portal. There was a slight tremble before we were in the night, "Through," I reported.

Chromie let out a breath and let her hands drop and the glow from behind the ship faded away into nothing. She sagged slightly and rubbed her forehead, "Well, I dropped us in the right minute," she said and then looked at me, "Hope you don't mind that when I get you back to your time, I'll aim at the right month and somewhere on the planet. The more precision and distance, the harder it is. Fetching you like I did was a nightmare."

"Same month and same planet is fine," I told her with a smile, "Get some rest, I'll get us moving."

Chromie nodded and moved to jump onto one of the benches, laying back against it. I touched the orb and wrapped the ship in an illusion before bringing us up into the night sky.

We passed through the light cloud cover into the light of the stars and moons above. I glanced up at the stars and then focused on the orb, bringing us around and sending the ship accelerating in the right direction, "We should reach the right area in a day," I said and let go before turning to everybody else, "Get some sleep if you can."

"You should as well," Ren said and looked at me, "I can take the first shift watching the course."

"Thanks," I said and stepped back, letting her take my place, "But I need to make some constructs to help us find our targets. I'll get a few hours later."

"Make sure you do," Alexis said and rolled out her bedroll on the floor, "Because we'll need you awake when it's time."

I nodded, "Don't worry, I will be," I said and walked towards the back, "But we'll need to be able to find the emergence or whatever it is to be able to stop it."

"What are you going to make?" Sheila asked.

"I'm thinking a dozen little magic seeking thopters," I said, "Send them out to circle above the forest and if they locate a spike, they send us a signal. Think it'll work?"

"Should," Sheila agreed, "I'll take over after Ren."

I nodded, giving her hand a squeeze on the way past before moving to sit down by the aft of the ship by the pile of metal ingots gathered for this sort of projects.

Wrathion and Umbria had laid their stuff out to the side of the ship opposite from Alexis while Sheila was laying down to get some rest on one of the benches Chromie wasn't occupying.

Ren looked beautiful where she was standing by the control orb, the light of the moon glowing in her blue hair.

I spent a moment watching before lighting a crystal and leaving it floating above my work surface, reaching for the first metals and gems I'd need.

Let's get this done and get some sleep.
 
You know...

Its really lucky the beings of fundamental Order that are the Titans didn't bother to do even a single check of their world destroyers access database in the tens of thousands of years between Arty adding himself and then showing up to use it. :facepalm:
Wouldn't be the first time Titans fucked up to Titanic proportions. :V
Chromie glared at me, "I'm telling you! Strange snake things with a single leg and a claw at the end!"
Trogdor?
Given that Artifact Slivers are a thing I'd say that Atregos is uniquely able to deal with them.
The only artifact Slivers I've seen a card for don't even slive properly.

Alexis frowned, "If they do, so do humans. I mean... animals have souls. And magic. Maybe if they are magical enough one could become a Planeswalker? I don't know how it works."

"If they did," I said and crossed my arms, leaning back against the wall in thought, "The first Walk is instinctual. Extreme pressure. If they had a Spark and enough magic... maybe. But not sure an animal would be able to consciously repeat the act."

Alexis nodded before looking at Chromie, "But if that's the case, only one of those snakes arrived here. Which means they breed like rabbits."
A Plane Sliver! A concept I've been teased by in fanfic. How much of the Spark's capabilities would the rest of them be able to slive? I don't know, and I'm fairly sure Wizards isn't telling.

Third problem, Silvers of even moderate numbers should have a Hivelord granting them Indestructible...
Going back in time to kill you before you had Indestructable is a perfectly valid form of blue removal! :V
 
... They are gonna go back in time and attack the Slivers that drop in, only for the Slivers to react by adapting to all the dragon's unique Breaths and going into their "All Is Hostile Kill Everything" logic loop.
Which wouldn't be possible to be the reason for this situation, except there's Planeswalkers involved and thus immunity to Paradox, meaning this is actually possible to happen for some reason.
Big Brain plays. :V
 
Chromie waited a moment before she nodded, "Okay then!" she exclaimed, "Everybody onto the ship. I'll drop us a about a week before the anomaly."

I waited for everybody else to walk onboard before I looked at Chromie, "A week?" I asked.

"About a week," she admitted, "A week before the first signs we can locate."
Gonna be honest, this level of accuracy seems odd after Chromie's inability to discover what actually triggered the Doomsday Device.
 
Gonna be honest, this level of accuracy seems odd after Chromie's inability to discover what actually triggered the Doomsday Device.
Nah, it makes sense if the device triggered within hours of the Slivers arriving. Much easier to back trace if you can see what is spreading. Chromie would have had to hit exactly where they showed up to start to find the trigger. This way she just had to see the damage they did and trace it back through time and space.
 
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Nah, it makes sense if the device triggered within hours of the Slivers arriving. Much easier to back trace if you can see what is spreading. Chromie would have had to hit exactly where they showed up to start to find the trigger. This way she just had to see the damage they did and trace it back through time and space.
From everything we've been shown, short of the Old One's corrupting the World Soul, someone or something would have actively had to trigger the Doomsday Device.

That should have made it super easy to find the cause, because you only need to focus on the device until the thing that activates it shows up.

In comparison a Silver arrival would be something like "Silver Broodmother arrives at a random location, Silver Broodmother burrows into the ground, Silver Broodmother builds it's underground Hive, Silver's start tunneling out from the Hive, Silver's build more Hive's, eventually much later Silver's start popping up above ground, and then they get detected".

So to actually track down the Silver's arrival point, to even a general area, you would have to locate the first above ground encounter, follow that backwards in time to the sub hive that silver originated from, continue backwards in time till you eventually find the main hive, then continue going till you locate the original Brood Mother, and then follow that backwards in time more till you get to the point the Brood Mother arrived on the plane.

And while that's not something that can't be done, it would take a really long time, and expose the Silver's to enough Time Magic through your tracking that they would mutate into things that can utilize time magic themselves.
 
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From everything we've been shown, short of the Old One's corrupting the World Soul, someone or something would have actively had to trigger the Doomsday Device.
what you think the cause had to walk up to that particular mountain to trigger armagedon? Piss poor doomsday device if it's sensors are that myopic. :rolleyes:

the current Sliver apocalypse future is only happening because the Doomsday device is inactive; prior timeline, the world ended before they could spread.

A Sliver igniting it's spark in this time period would be an Oldwalker. I've suggested before that the arrival of an Oldwalker anywhere on the planet may have been enough to cause the doomsday device to go off.

So Chromie gets the trigger event happens at X time/day. what the trigger event is and where it happens? No clue, she'd have to search the entire planet trying to find it looking at the few seconds before the Doomsday activates. That's a lot of ground to examine when she has no clue what she's looking for other than 'Something that doesn't belong'.

Vaermina, you constantly act like you are far more knowledgable about the capabilities and limitations of everyone/everything in the story than the author. And it comes off rather arrogant and full of yourself.
 
And even if the Sliver itself was just carried here it would have required a planeswalker to do so. Which would be an oldwalker. Which again could probably instantly set off the device because oldwalkers are all kinds of "oh fuck"
 
I'm not sure what Atregos and co could do vs an Oldwalker. Slivers they could possibly pull off a win by the skin of their teeth. An oldwalker using slivers as weapons/ population clearing devices is rocks fall everyone dies/tell everyone and hope its enough tier problem given what converted oldwalkers are capable of. Unless Chromie is much more powerful now because of sheer age and ability to generate land bonds in the past.
 
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I'm not sure what Atregos and co could do vs an Oldwalker. Slivers they could possibly pull off a win by the skin of their teeth. An oldwalker using slivers as weapons/ population clearing devices is rocks fall everyone dies/tell everyone and hope its enough tier problem given what converted oldwalkers are capable of. Unless Chromie is much more powerful now because of sheer age and ability to generate land bonds in the past.
Ask nicely for them to please not leave Slivers here, more or less. How effective this would be depends greatly on the Oldwalker, of course.

It's entirely possible the Slivers got left here unintentionally, or just as an ill-advised research project that the cast can tell them ended poorly (Eventually even the Slivers lost to the Old Gods by all appearances. Probably managed to corrupt the hivemind)
 
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What you think the cause had to walk up to that particular mountain to trigger armagedon? Piss poor doomsday device if it's sensors are that myopic. :rolleyes:

the current Sliver apocalypse future is only happening because the Doomsday device is inactive; prior timeline, the world ended before they could spread.

A Sliver igniting it's spark in this time period would be an Oldwalker. I've suggested before that the arrival of an Oldwalker anywhere on the planet may have been enough to cause the doomsday device to go off.

So Chromie gets the trigger event happens at X time/day. what the trigger event is and where it happens? No clue, she'd have to search the entire planet trying to find it looking at the few seconds before the Doomsday activates. That's a lot of ground to examine when she has no clue what she's looking for other than 'Something that doesn't belong'.
Er... You know that doomsday device is part of Warcraft canon?

The sensor system for it rests in Ulduar. But it doesn't automatically activate the Forge if it detects corruption. Instead it sends a signal to the current Prime Designate, and they activate a different device to summon a Constellar who goes by the name of Algalon the Observer. At which point the Constellar would go over the sensor data and determines whether to flip the switch or not.

Meaning the only way it should just "go off" is if someone breaks into one of the Titan facilities and intentionally or unintentionally activates it.

Of course, this does bring up a rather vexing question that's been bothering me... Where have the Keepers been in all this?
 
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The sensor system for it rests in Ulduar. But it doesn't automatically activate the Forge if it detects corruption.
This appears to have been a separate part of the system, one no longer intact in the present day, that triggers it automatically if a certain threshold is reached. We do not know what exactly the trigger conditions were, and we don't really need to.
 
This appears to have been a separate part of the system, one no longer intact in the present day, that triggers it automatically if a certain threshold is reached. We do not know what exactly the trigger conditions were, and we don't really need to.
They aren't in the present, they're thousands of years in the past.

Also the events that lead to the Forge being deactivated shouldn't have happened here because Sargeras got dropped into the Blind Eternities.
 
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They aren't in the present, they're thousands of years in the past.

Also the events that lead to the Forge being deactivated shouldn't have happened here because Sargeras got dropped into the Blind Eternities.
yes, and the the Forge has been deactivated because they just did so.

The paradox they are dealing with, is that something caused the Forge to trigger thousands of years before the Sundering. Now that they've disarmed the Forge, they can try and track down/deal with whatever triggered the forge. They've greatly narrowed down where it'll occur, and are now popping in to a week before the Forge was going to trigger to set up shop in that area and try to get ready for what's to come.
 
I'm a bit confused, why can't they simply reactivate the building and simply travel after the slivers had appeared to deactivate it?

Time travel is too non lineal for my tastes... It confuses me since next year.
 
I'm a bit confused, why can't they simply reactivate the building and simply travel after the slivers had appeared to deactivate it?

Time travel is too non lineal for my tastes... It confuses me since next year.
Because it's entirely possible that the reason they couldn't figure out *why* it went off is that it detonated the instant the Slivers first appeared, so having it still on when they do so just puts you right back where you started.
 
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The forest stretched out to the horizon below as I laid by the edge of the cliff, looking out at it.

A dozen constructs buzzing about all across it in a search pattern and I had sent out a dozen more a bit earlier.

One of them had to be close enough to spot whatever those strange snake things appeared, be it by portal or planeswalking or whatever.

No method of travel was silent magicwise and I put good sensors on them.

"Nothing yet?" Chromie asked as she dropped down to sit on the edge next to my head.

"Not yet," I confirmed, "But you didn't think they'd show up for another few days."

Chromie shrugged, "As far as we know anyway. We never managed to pin it down definitively."

I shifted to look at her with my closest eye, "So they may already be here?"

She shook her head, "Very unlikely," before she shrugged slightly again, "...But not impossible."

I growled and looked out at the forest, "We should send out our summons to see what they can find," I then sighed and relaxed again, "But that's a lot of forest to cover."

Chromie nodded, "I have agents of the Flight out as well," she said and reached to pat my head, "We'll find it, don't worry."

I snorted, "It feels like all I do nowadays is worry."

Chromie smiled and shook her head, "Welcome to the club," she said and climbed to her feet, heading back towards the ship.

Flexing my claws, I dug them into the stone beneath myself before I flicked my head, causing my helmet to deploy and I activated the magic viewing part of my helmet, looking out over the forest. Nothing visible, just the general background radiation of magic that was everywhere.

No, that was wrong. There was a spot of magic in the distance in the sky. It had wings and slowly got larger as it got closer.

Wrathion circled once and then came down to land next to me. I flicked my head to make the helmet fold back down, "Anything?" I asked him.

Wrathion shook his head, "Nothing," he said, "Not yet anyway."

Nodding, I moved to sit up, suppressing a yawn before looking out over the forest again. I wish they would show up already!

"Do you think we will have to deploy the device?" Wrathion asked as he walked up next to me, "Chromie didn't sound happy about the possibility."

"She's not," I confirmed, "If we do, it would involve a lot of damage control from her and her flight."

Wrathion nodded and then looked at me, "We should try fighting first, bring in as many bronze as we can."

"I don't know," I said and thumped my tail club against the stone, digging my claws into the rock, "These beings are dangerous. That may be an unnecessary risk."

"You and Alexis have summons so send in. I have some as well and so does Umbria."

"Ren and Sheila too," I said thoughtfully, "Maybe. We'd have to run it past Chromie, but it may be worth a try? Good idea."

With all our summons, we'd be able to put out a fairly significant force even if we didn't fight ourselves. Alexis actually had stronger summons than I did, even if mine were more varied. Well, not sure her squid would be useful here, but still.

Not a bad idea at all.

"Hmm," I said and looked out over the forest, "Still, I think I'll send out Witcher and Rogue, they are good at tracking. I'll send them out and see if they can find anything," I said before I took to the air, circling down to the forest below before landing in the shadow of a massive tree.

The cool in the shade of the trees felt nice against the burning sun above. We were close to the equator and it was hot, too hot for me to be comfortable to be honest.

The shadow down here helped a little however and I focused, summoning Witcher and then Rogue before I looked at them, "We are looking for large snakelike creatures somewhere in this forest. They have triangular heads and one limb each. Search and locate," I ordered before I turned my head and cast a quick spell to float a pair of crystals from my satchel, floating them to them, one each, "Shatter this when you find something and we will be alerted of your position. Go."

The witcher and the elf both turned and ran into the forest.

Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky.

I mean, it has to happen at some point just from pure statistics, right?

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

Stretching, I took in the scent of the forest before I took back to the sky, climbing back up towards the cliff the ship was landed on.

We had enough materials to make some more little thopters, I could still improve the search grid and increase our odds.

Hmm.

Maybe if I made some modified ones with giant eyes? Dubious because all the trees, but having look down capability would be useful outside of the range of a scrying spell.


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"Contact!"

I raised my head and looked over at Alexis, "Where?"

She shook her head, "My summon just died," she said and climbed to her feet, looking out over the forest.

"Which one?"

"One of the human guards," she said, "They are… somewhere in that direction," she then added and pointed.

I looked over there and activated a pair of small flying constructs. The head sized clockwork and enchantment constructs took to the air on buzzing dragonfly wings, buzzing out across the jungle.

"Any idea of what it was?" I asked.

She shook her head and then looked at me, "No. Anything on the sensor net?"

I growled and shook my head, "No. But we don't exactly have full coverage," before I turned into my mortal form, "I'll get the ship ready."

Chromie came running as I turned towards the ship, "What's happening?"

"Something killed one of Alexis summons," I said, "I dispatched a pair of scouts. Are the rest back yet?"

Chromie shook her head, "They should be soon, they went hunting hours ago."

I nodded and continued towards the ship, "I'll get the ship ready, we're lifting off as soon as they return."

I both hoped and feared that it was the contact we had been waiting for.

Hoped because it might soon be over and we can go home. Feared because… what if we couldn't handle it? Even with the bomb.

What if we really fucked up the future in the process, in a way the Bronze couldn't fix?

Timetravel is fucking terrifying.

I touched the wall of the ship and the light crystals inside lit up as I walked over to the control orb to bring up the viewpoints of the flying constructs heading across the forest in the direction of the lost guard.

Seriously, if it just got eaten by another fucking Revasaur…

"Chromie said we had something?" Sheila said as she walked into the ship, followed by Ren, Wrathion and Umbria. Chromie and Alexis also followed them inside.

"We're about to find out," I said and studied the view points, my hand on the control orb, "they should be getting close around now."

"There!" Umbria said and pointed, "Did you see that?"

"I did," I said and shifted both constructs around, one raising higher and the other going in lower towards the break in the forest where there had been movement.

It lowered beneath the branches, buzzing along in metal wings, slowly shifted towards the side as it panned, going lower towards the underbrush.

Something threw itself towards it, single clawed leg raised to strike, the green mottled snake like body hitting it and even as we watched it strike the construct, causing both to go tumbling towards the ground below.

As they hit the ground, a trio more of the snake like creatures attacked it in turn. I shifted the other construct a bit higher, trying to get a good angle towards the ground to see better.

There was a number of the creatures but I was unable to see how many, they melted way into their environment but I could have sworn there was a really big one there as well.

"That's them," Chromie said quietly, "How do we do this?"

"Alexis," I said, "Dismiss and resummon your angel. I need her to deliver and deliver the device, I don't want any of us anywhere close to this thing when it goes off."

Alexis nodded and headed for the exit and I turned to Sheila.

Sheila stepped over to her bag and pulled out the little sphere of horrible death before handing it over to me.

It was teeming with mana, full to the brim and fully charged.

Absolutely fucking lethal and terrifying and I'm saying that as somebody that built the fucking thing.

I nodded, "Everyone else stay here. The moment we set this off we're leaving, I want to be as far away from it as possible when it goes off."

Ren stepped up and put her hand on the control orb, "Ready."

Giving her a smile, I headed to step out of the exit and joined Alexis and her angle. I looked at the angel, "Do you know where you need to go?" I asked her.

She nodded, "Yes, Master Atregos. I know what I'm looking for. What do I do when I get there?"

I held the orb up, giving it a series of pulses of magic to arm it before I handed it over very carefully, "See the crystal on the top?" I said.

"I do."

"Smash it hard with the pommel of your sword."

"I understand," she said and turned to Alexis.

"Go."

The angel bowed and then took to the air.

"And that's our cue to de-tail the area," I said and ran towards the ship.

"We're already far away!" Alexis yelled and ran along, "Is it really dangerous here too!?"

"I don't think so, but I don't want to risk it, I put a lot of boom into that thing!" I answered and stopped to close the exit as she passed me inside, "Ren! Go!"

The deck shifted beneath us and the ship accelerated into the air and then away from the point.

"Still not too late to call it off and try fighting them," Wrathion said, looking at Chromie, "Wouldn't that be safer for the timeline?"

"Not if you die doing it," she said quietly, "As long as it doesn't blow up the continent, it can be fixed."

"I'm almost sure it won't. Fairly sure it won't be more powerful than a large tactical nuke. Not even in the megaton range. Surely less than a hundred kilotons. I think. The math is complicated and I didn't have a lot of time. I may have missed an exponent."

Alexis stared at me for a long moment before she looked at Ren, "Ren. Faster. Fly faster!"
 
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