Over the Sunset, Into the West: LoTR/ASOIAF Quest

And we're Numenorians. We have a LOOOOOOOONG history of killing overgrown lizards :D


OH. JOYYYY :D


When the doom happens we ally with the North and Kill the Targarians and establish ourselves as the rulers of Westeros :D/joke
Sure that's a joke? Killing three dragons while our numerically superior allies defeat the Targ army sounds not quite impossible. Ruling Westeros at that point might be unrealistic but carving out one or two of the seven kingdoms could work, after their armies were burned by dragons.
 
Sure that's a joke? Killing three dragons while our numerically superior allies defeat the Targ army sounds not quite impossible. Ruling Westeros at that point might be unrealistic but carving out one or two of the seven kingdoms could work, after their armies were burned by dragons.
Lets not get to over confident my good huntress.

Remember the rows that happened over on the progenitor quest with mixing bloodlines and less morally nice people.
 
-Valyria's influence is great, but it hasn't actually extended that much yet in terms of Westeros. Even Essos hasn't been completely absorbed, and Westeros is considered 'backwater district'.
-Dragons are killable, as seen in 'invasion of Dorne' and 'Dance of the Dragons'.
-You will get more Numenoreans other than the 9 ships, but how you treat them is another matter. This quest is not just about war.
The survivors of the great fleet?My "Sort of repentant "Rebel admiral"?
Weell... that depends.Are these kings men or only loyalists- with the latter i mean the difference between wehrmacht and SS.
Both committed crimes of war under an evil governments orders.. but the former, just obeying orders, coul be redeemed and returned to normal, sane society .The latter, being fanatics for an actively malevolent creed...not so.
 
The survivors of the great fleet?My "Sort of repentant "Rebel admiral"?
Weell... that depends.Are these kings men or only loyalists- with the latter i mean the difference between wehrmacht and SS.
Both committed crimes of war under an evil governments orders.. but the former, just obeying orders, coul be redeemed and returned to normal, sane society .The latter, being fanatics for an actively malevolent creed...not so.

All men are capable of good just as well as evil. What they do is their choice, the main choices for 'evil' people or followers are 1. whether they want to be redeemed and 2. whether society gives them a chance.

You might use Hitler as an example, but 1. he stuck to his views till the end and 2. even if he had a change of heart, he would have been too far gone.

Whether they are 'King's Men' or loyalists depend on your perspective. That is one of the choices you have to make.
 
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All men are capable of good just as well as evil. What they do is their choice, the main choices for 'evil' people or followers are 1. whether they want to be redeemed and 2. whether society gives them a chance.

You might use Hitler as an example, but 1. he stuck to his views till the end and 2. even if he had a change of heart, he would have been too far gone.

Whether they are 'King's Men' or loyalists depend on your perspective. That is one of the choices you have to make.
I am thinking of people willing to return to Numenors founding principles-which are not Imperialistic as much as paternalistic-and admitting their faults honestly- to be my criterion for acceptance.And in the interest of saving our people..I am willing to compromise on details..
Trying to rebuild Latter-day Numenor... still clinging to racist oppression on superiority grounds... or not getting the "Morgoth and Sauron bad"Memo even now?Kings men.
Not trusting them.
 
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Im confused the doom of valaryia happened before 120 BC didn't it because the Targaryen conquest of westeros happend in 114 BC correct me if im wrong im not completely sure on this.
 
Im confused the doom of valaryia happened before 120 BC didn't it because the Targaryen conquest of westeros happend in 114 BC correct me if im wrong im not completely sure on this.
Eh, the Conquest was from 2 BC to 1 AC. BC and AC stand for Before Conquest and After Conquest, after all.

The Doom happened in 114 BC, so in six years if it isn't butterflied away.
 
The Doom occurs in 114BC, as previously stated, Starting the Century of Blood/Bleeding Years on Essos where the Remnant City States of the Freehold devolve into a massive civil war, as the Dothraki Hordes come out of the East, we know that Sarnor, Essaria and most the northernmost Ghiscari Kingdom are utterly destroyed by the dothraki, as presumably their armies were too depleted to put up any defense against the Idiot Hordes.

One of the Last Dragon Riders, I believe he was Prince of Qohor, outside of Dragonstone dies in the magical fires of the Doom, seeking to reclaim the vast wealths of Valyria.

King Tommen II Lannister, attempts to sail and reclaim Brightroar from the ruins as the sword was apparently being serviced in Valyria, neither he nor his ships are ever seen again. Starting a three century obssession among the Rock-dwellers to get it back, or get another sword for themselves.

In essence this state continues until about 5 Before Conquest, when Volantis, Greatest of the Valyrian Remnant States, finally gets enough of an upper hand to threaten Tyrosh, Tyrosh's main trade partner is the Kingdom of the Stormlands, Ruled by Argillac Durrandon Last Son of Durran Godsgrief doesn't take kindly to this disruption and sends military aid, Aegon Targaryen also sends aid, now Aegon's idea is that he'll use Argillac as his main Military Hammer and Ally in taking Westeros, and so offers Argillac his bastard brother, Orys Baratheon, in Marriage to Argillac's daughter Argella.

Argillac refuses the match.

Aegon appears to accept the situation, until 3 years later when he descends, quite literally onto Westeros in a tide of Fire and Blood.

Orys slays Argillac in single-combat taking the Stormlands, Argella, and the Colours and Words of House Durrandon for his own, as First Lord Paramount of House Baratheon.

And so in the end of the Conquest acouple years later, we come to what we know as thuroughly documented history.

Edit: Informational bit.

The Interesting bit, about where we are set to arrive is that the Arbor is quite small, but with a larger population then many other places, now the interesting thing here, is that this largish population, is nearly never actually on the island.

Most of the Island is covered in vast Vineyards and Forests, feeding the urbanised population centers and tradehubs that are, including but not exclusively set as, Ryamsport, Vinetown and Starfish Harbor.

The majority of those who call the island home however are sailors, crewing the over 1200 ships that call the Arbor, home. Now the Redwyne Fleet, largest among its kind in the Seven Kingdoms numbers 200 wargalleys. The other 1000 plus ships are Merchantmen of all flavours, there's also a substantial Whaling fleet.

So out of the many people who live on the Arbor, not alot of them actually live daily on the Arbor.

Now adding 25k to that might seem like a drop in the bucket, but then it's not due to the fairly small size of the bloody island.

The Arbor at best estimate is 197 miles long by 90 miles wide, or 320km long by 145km wide, contrasting this with a more familiar territory to the Numenoreans, say Andustar Province on Numenor, Andustar was 175 miles/281km from the peninsulae to the border with Mittalmar, and some 150 miles/242km wide counting from Eldalondë to the northern coast. The Arbor is comparable in size to Orrostar.

So the Arbor is a hotter, dryer 1/5th of Numenor in size. With a massive population of religious zealots north across the waters.

On the plus side, the majority of it's population is a massive merchant class, that would probably have little to compunction in ousting the ruling Redwynes from power if there's at least acouple of barrels of gold in it for them.
 
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I'm sorry I haven't updated the first round of this quest yet, it will come in the next few days, bad things have popped up IRL for me :(

But to avoid delaying the quest here are a couple of votes:

a. Five Numenorean ships from the Great Armada were spotted shipwrecked in the same bay you moor your ships in. The King's Men have freed their slaves under desperate circumstances and set up a camp. What do you intend to do?

(BTW as the closest surviving relative to the King as far as they are concerned, although the Black Numenoreans dislike you they are likely to grudgingly listen to you as long as you don't order them executed. Also obviously the relationship between freed slaves and former masters aren't exactly cordial although they are freed)

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b. Do you send a scouting party to contact the local leadership? If so would they bring any message?

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I'm sorry I haven't updated the first round of this quest yet, it will come in the next few days, bad things have popped up IRL for me :(

But to avoid delaying the quest here are a couple of votes:

a. Five Numenorean ships from the Great Armada were spotted shipwrecked in the same bay you moor your ships in. The King's Men have freed their slaves under desperate circumstances and set up a camp. What do you intend to do?

(BTW as the closest surviving relative to the King as far as they are concerned, although the Black Numenoreans dislike you they are likely to grudgingly listen to you as long as you don't order them executed. Also obviously the relationship between freed slaves and former masters aren't exactly cordial although they are freed)

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b. Do you send a scouting party to contact the local leadership? If so would they bring any message?

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Well, well.WE should offer them asylum-but make several things utterly clear.First, Slavery is a dead institution.Their former slaves can either join us or leave with all the support they need.
Second, we have to carefully and succintly explain to them what happened and why.
That the creator has spoken and he os displeased.
If they do not accept that and pur leadership...then they are free to go.But can not expect help.

That is my stance, as of now.

Yes, of course we should?Di you think we can HIDE 40000 people?
 
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Should we even bother hiding? Besides we really should quickly annex some lands to warn off starvation.(Main reason I voted Iron Isles)
 
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