On Feathered Wings, We Fly (Norse Mythology AU, Alt-Power)

I think I'm gonna have to follow you. Just in case you publish anything in any other threads. Because this is awesome.
 
I'm glad you like it! I will probably be a while till I write something other than FW. My muse is all in on this right now.

Which sucks because Techweaver has a lot of stuff I want to write too.
 
So. Stabbypuppy's dead then? And from the ending, Tay's possibly pulling out some kind of healing magic.
 
I can't wait to post it! the last scene was the final nail that made me start writing FW. The ramifications of this scene are massive and plot the course for the rest of the fic.
 
Well, if Taylor's mom is Freya like we think, and Vicky is actually going to die here, is she going to become a Vanir or something? Not exactly up on Norse myth except for bits and pieces.
 
Loved the chapter.

Summoning a second Val is definitely a step up for Taylor, and it's knocked a thought loose in my head.

I've been thinking that while Gondul isn't a bad name, Folkvangr might be a better name for where her powers and history are taking her.

Having multiple Vals, her mother (probably) being Freya, being accepting of all kinds of people, wanting to separate herself from the Empire...
 
Canon Omake: Amy's Worst Day
Tuesday, February 15th, 2011

Of course Vicky would skip most of her classes to go hang out with her, leaving Amy all alone to fend for herself through the doldrum of high school. It shouldn't have surprised her after Carol played favorites and let Vicky stay home from school to suck up to her new girlfriend, well, suck something at least.

She had even had to hitch a ride home with some nameless red head that hung around Vicky sometimes, all it cost her was lightening some period cramps. Ever since Vicky broke up with the shitheel he wouldn't even offer Amy rides home anymore like he once had whenever Vicky was off playing superhero. It was almost as if he was avoiding her.

So much for the gallant gentleman.

Amy didn't stay long, tossing her robes over her school clothes, she swiftly made her way out of the suffocating prison she called home and to the bus stop for yet another day at the hospital. One prison for another, sometimes it felt like that was all she would ever get in life.

A quick check of PHO showed someone had sighted Vicky alongside Gondul deep within Empire territory on patrol. Naturally, all the idiots assumed that meant Vicky had joined the Nazis like the mouth breathers the teeming masses tended to be.

A scowl broke out across her face, because it was blindingly obvious to anyone with two brain cells that Taylor was her new cape BFF. Amy could still remember how weird Taylor's body had been to her power, it was almost as if she wasn't quite human.

Excited yapping drew her attention and a half formed smile replaced the scowl. She had no idea what the dog's name was, the floppy eared golden retriever was always excited when she passed through, and stopping to pet the excitable idiot was always a highlight of her trips to and from her own personal purgatory.

Biology came to light within her mind just as it always did when she made contact with something organic. The dog was healthy, as it had been ever since that first time she met him and removed some pesky parasites. He was a good boy, far better than someone like Amy deserved.

Sighing, she continued on, she didn't want to be late for the bus that would take her to Brockton General after all.



Amy collapsed into her chair in the breakroom, blessed coffee in hand as she poked at her phone. She hated mending broken bones, it took so much time and effort to effect the minerals necessary to properly repair that sort of damage. In most cases she just set them and encouraged faster natural repair and was done with it.

Not even one case of cancer beyond the usual that every person seemed to have to some small degree. She didn't even bother to purge the toxic chemicals and microplastics anymore, everyone had them it seemed and even a return visit a week later was enough time to see them replenished. The world was just so fucked and she didn't have it in herself to care any longer.

Vicky had always been the bright spot in her life, and when she finally broke it off with Dean, Amy was certain her chance had come. Then that bitch Taylor beat her to it. Amy wasn't proud of how she had handled it, but then again, there were few things that made her proud.

At least she hadn't voiced her thoughts about Taylor to Vicky's face, she would have probably still been fighting with Vicky if she had actually called Taylor 'barely half a woman' aloud… Even if it was true, what with that freaky biology her power gave her that made her appear inhuman to her sight.

Speaking of the woman stealing bitch, she decided to check PHO and see what the two might have been up to. She made her way to the Brockton page and felt her heart drop at the top thread of the page, made less than a minute prior.

She didn't even think, she just clicked it.



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♦ Topic: Glory Girl Killed By Gondul
In: Boards ► Places ► America ► Brockton Bay

Rune
(Original Poster)(Verified Cape)(Villain)
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Normally, I wouldn't post something like this, but what I just saw… I was coming to reinforce Hookwolf against Glory Girl, as I've done several times in the past, you know, that same old song and dance, when I saw Gondul arrive. She knocked Glory Girl out of the way just after Hookwolf had hit her and well… I imagine the PRT will be able to verify this soon, but, I'm still rather shaken. I had thought they were friends or something, but the way she coldly threw Glory Girl aside like that…

I'm glad we didn't end up recruiting Gondul if that's how she treated friends.

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► barkour

Posted on February 15th, 2011:
This has to be a joke post, right?

► Vista (Verified Cape)(Wards ENE)
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Yeah, like anyone is gonna believe this.

► Eightball
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
I thought I was seeing things earlier when Glory tumbled down the street. Guess not.

► Sandwish
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Pull the other one.

► Onion_Knight
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Is'ny GG like Alex Lite? How does that happen.

► hooloovoo
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Oh shit, I'm looking right at her… Glory Girl isn't moving and there's rebar stuck through her chest and so much blood.

► Brocktonite03 (Veteran Member)
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Asking a buddy that works with the PRT and I can confirm there was a cape fight downtown, but nobody is on the scene yet. If this is a joke, it is in very poor taste even for the Nazis.

► DancesWMopheads
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Shit, I go to school with Vicky, she helped me with my English Lit essay last month…

► Scarrow
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
If you ask me, if this is true, Hookwolf did the deed himself and this is the Empire covering their ass.

Sword-Material
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Wait, you have eyes on hooloovoo?

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► All_Seeing_Eye

Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Um, I think this is legit guys… The death at least, the rest is standard Nazi propaganda.

► hooloovoo
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Yeah, saw Gondul swoop in and everything. The angle was bad, but I think Rune was right.

► unsafe_harbor
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
What Scarrow said. I don't buy this in the first place, but no way Rune just happened to see it happen like that.

► Alathea (Moderator)
Posted on February 15th, 2011:
Thread locked because true or not, this is not the place.



Amy hadn't believed it, she refused to believe it. Just because Carol had called, screaming frantically didn't mean it was true. The phone fell loosely from her fingers as she ran with all she had down the stairs and into the lobby of Brockton General. Vicky couldn't be— No, she refused to even consider it.

Vicky would be fine. She would get there, drag her back from the brink and then they would have a moment and she would finally see that the only one that would always be there for her was Amy, not that bitch Taylor. Then they would kiss and—

Her world stopped.

Aegis stood grim faced in the emergency entry, flanked by Crystal and Aunt Sarah, and in his trembling arms was Vicky. Her white costume was stained red, and under her was a chunk of stone with rebar jutting from it. One such piece extended up and through Vicky's chest.

Amy flew forward, touching Vicky's arm, her oh so cold and mangled arm, and tears fell from her face as biology exploded in her awareness. Most of her fingers had been torn apart, arms stripped to the bone. Her lung had been punctured clean through, most of her blood had been drained and her heart wasn't beating. That she could have fixed.

No, what stopped her cold was what she wasn't seeing, something she usually ignored but at the moment couldn't. Vicky's brain was silent, no sparks of life signaling that she was alive, that Amy could make her love—

Her brain had completely depolarized.

Vicky was gone, there was nothing anyone could do.

A piercing wail filled the air as the world faded and Amy fell. She continued to fall as darkness swept over her, wishing and praying that the nightmare would end and all would be right with the world.



February 16th, 2011

Amy sat in silence, the coffee in hand long since gone cold. What was the purpose of it all? Why did anyone care when the light had been snuffed from the world itself? The nightmare hadn't ended when she woke up in that hospital bed. It hadn't ended when Carol slapped her, much as she wanted it to.

Now, sitting in Aunt Sarah's living room as the family sat in silence, nobody wanting to be the first to speak. One seat sat empty, much like the gaping hole in Amy's heart while the other was because Carol was striding into the room with phone in hand.

Vicky's phone.

"The Protectorate returned Vi— her phone," Carol said, voice oddly hollow. "I won't mince words. Taylor was Gondul."

"That Vicky's girlfriend was Gondul should come as a surprise to no-one." Crystal said softly. Amy felt a cold stab in her heart at the reminder. "It was fairly obvious with the way Vic talked about her, never mind the barbecue."

"Then why is everyone so convinced she was Empire?" Eric added. "Did Taylor pretend to seduce Vicky just to stab her in the back?"

Amy winced, the memory of Vicky's biology returning to the forefront, how she could have molded her flesh back together, but there was nothing to be done for her mind. A lie, she knew, she could have done something, she was just afraid to do so.

She shook her head, focusing on anything but that line of thought, because for everything else, Amy knew that part wasn't true. As weird as Taylor's body was due to her power, Amy had been able to determine one thing easily enough. Even if Vicky had yelled at her over revealing that secret, not that it had succeeded in breaking them up like she hoped, she knew it would silence that annoying argument before it began.

"Taylor is transgender," Amy said, her voice hoarse from her still healing vocals. "The Empire would want her dead if they knew."

Not that she would have been opposed to such an outcome now. She had warned Vicky that this would happen if she continued to try and date Taylor. That was all that ever happened when one poked the Nazis, because they always poked back. They just never poked the right person.

Everyone had turned when she spoke, but she didn't look up, because she knew she would level a withering glare on the person that should have been the Nazis' first target instead of her aunt. Regardless of that, Taylor had been there when Vicky died, Taylor failed to save her, she was just as at fault as Hookwolf as far as she was concerned.

"Regardless," Carol continued, her eyes red and puffy from shed tears. "They didn't even try to hide it in their texts. The last messages reflect the timeline the Protectorate put together about the battle. Victoria found Hookwolf and didn't wait for Gondul before she engaged."

"Vicky knows better," Crystal exclaimed before she shrunk back, fresh tears falling. "Knew."

The word had been whispered, but Amy choked all the same.

"Yes," Carol said softly. "The Empire tried to get their version out first through PHO, but it doesn't fit the evidence and the Protectorate made a press release stating that. Unfortunately, that didn't stop the Empire from revealing Gondul's identity. Taylor is now an outed cape and the Protectorate have placed her father in protective custody for the time being."

"What of Taylor?" Eric asked.

"Missing," Carol confirmed. "Whatever it was Gondul did when that happened, she hasn't returned from it. Her father was actually detained when he went to the police to declare her missing. The PRT picked him up from there."

Silence persisted for a moment, not that Amy cared.

"The Empire isn't even pretending to follow the unwritten rules, are they?" Uncle Neil asked.

"They aren't," Aunt Sarah confirmed. "Which is why a Kill Order has been signed for Bradley Meadows, A.K.A. Hookwolf."

"Holy shit," Crystal whispered. "Brockton is going to be a warzone when that gets out."

"Which is why it hasn't been announced," Aunt Sarah cut in. "This isn't to be spoken of outside of this room. All Protectorate forces and affiliates have been informed that lethal force is authorized when dealing with Hookwolf as well as anyone acting to support him."

Mark whistled, drawing all eyes to him. "Would have been nice if they did that before he killed my daughter. Three synagogues slaughtered, hundreds of minorities executed because he could, yet it's the death of our daughter that finally galvanized them to act."

Amy wasn't sure what he was implying, more that she was surprised he spoke at all given the mess his brain chemistry had once been without his medication. Something she knew she could fix from the day she triggered, but had always been too afraid to, because if she was willing to do that much, she might actually have made Vicky love her.

Not that it mattered anymore now that her love was gone, which was why she had fixed him while Carol was at the PRT building. If anyone noticed, they would just assume that Vicky's death had snapped him out of it or something.

Actually, what was stopping her from doing anything at this point?

She had kept to all of these rules about her powers, and it had amounted to nothing. All her sacrifice was for naught. Some argument had erupted, but she didn't care. Amy stood and left the room, whether anyone noticed, she had more important things on her mind. Ideas she had once dismissed came freely as she walked outside.

Some bug landed on her and rather than dismissing it, she struck it dead. Just like that, all life within the creature was extinguished. Dead as the love of her life. She laughed, because it really was that easy, wasn't it?

Why stop there?

She reached down, finding an ant nest and let the critters swarm her hand. She took them over completely, food pheromones released to draw ever more to her. It was all so simple. One of the neighbor's dogs was barking two or three houses over and another idea came to her.

Amy left the ants frozen on her hand and made her way over to the dog. She had stopped to pet him many times, not that she ever remembered his name. His golden fur and floppy ears were paired with one of those dopey grins that used to melt her heart when she was younger.

Now it was just another reminder of the worst day of her life.

The golden retriever seized, falling under her control as she reworked its mind. It was a matter of moments to find the sequence in its DNA to create the pheromones needed to draw more canines to her, and the ants were altered to produce it.

It was intoxicating, to bend life to her will.

She continued on, the dog following mindlessly behind her and soon others joined it, each one requiring little more than a touch to bring them into total obedience. Once she felt there were enough of them, she found a quiet place in the woods and made them lay down around her.

She had so many ideas, but one was prominent in her mind. There was a pressure to it, and she couldn't resist at least attempting it. The golden retriever was first, its hair closest to that of her sister. Bones snapped, limbs stretched and twisted with squelching crunches as she molded it to her will. It wasn't enough though, so she reached for the next in line, blending them into one as the flesh began to take shape.

Her sister might be gone, but that didn't mean she couldn't get her back.

All she needed was a convincing look alike and to make sure nobody asked any damned questions.

Yes, she would have her Victoria back and to hell with any of the consequences.

Then? Then she could have her revenge.



Have an omake!
 
Actually big doubts that Vicky bites it after the stabbypuppy fight. My guess is Taylor pulls off a Mercy Ult rez (with or without shouting "Heroes Never Die!") on Vicky.
 
I would like to mention that I have added Pen's Omake. Please check out the threadmark.
whistles innocently
 
You motherfucker… you're going to need to explain yourself on this one. I ordered a fluffy punchbuggy with side of Nazi-punching.
Who said anything about this story just being fluffy with a side of Nazi-punching? Well, the Nazi-punching is still a thing, but I don't do just fluff. There will be fluff, but there will be dark moments. I want character growth consequences for character's actions. Also, this is Worm. The setting is dark.
Not only that, but this story is far from over. This is only the first saga. It will probably be... maybe nine? We'll see how it goes as I get there. So don't think it's all downhill. I apparently write really epic stories with adventure and pitfalls.
 
...Hopefully Tay comes back with Vicky in tow soon enough to keep Amy from going far enough that her self-hate reaches suicide-by-cop levels (IE, actually warps someone into a face Vicky).
 
I would like to mention that I have added Pen's Omake. Please check out the threadmark.
whistles innocently
Oh. Yikes!
Well, that's a plot development!

...Hopefully Tay comes back with Vicky in tow soon enough to keep Amy from going far enough that her self-hate reaches suicide-by-cop levels (IE, actually warps someone into a face Vicky).
I thought making a new Victoria was what Amy was already doing at the end of the now-canon omake?
 
I thought making a new Victoria was what Amy was already doing at the end of the now-canon omake?

Yeah, it's just property damage (the slaying of beloved family pets) rather than a crime against a person the law actually cares about.

Still monstrous and vile but not the kind of monstrous and vile that gets you nearly as heavily hit by the cops as it would if you were doing that with human meat.
 
Yeah, it's just property damage (the slaying of beloved family pets) rather than a crime against a person the law actually cares about.

Still monstrous and vile but not the kind of monstrous and vile that gets you nearly as heavily hit by the cops as it would if you were doing that with human meat.
Ah, so it sounds like she was doing what I thought, or at least we both misread in the same way.

And yeah, definitely not good, what she's doing now, but it does mean she's already reached the point of making a replacement Victoria, and it's hard to tell whether she actually had any objection to using a human as the raw material beyond people being more likely to distract her during her work if she did. And I was thinking that she wouldn't need to make another one, but thinking on it more... well, people are probably going to object to this. So she might need to make a second replacement, and with having already had the practice this time, if another human's the most handy source of biomass...
...Also, whether or not her replacement has powers is probably going to affect things heavily -- because if it does, Amy's demonstrated that she can manufacture parahumans with custom personalities from not-even-non-para-human biomass. And if that happens, she is likely going to become of intense interest to Cauldron, who will in turn be happy to let her have as large a harem of Glory Girl clones as she wants in her own private luxury section of their base if she'll make an army for them in return.
 
Ah, so it sounds like she was doing what I thought, or at least we both misread in the same way.

And yeah, definitely not good, what she's doing now, but it does mean she's already reached the point of making a replacement Victoria, and it's hard to tell whether she actually had any objection to using a human as the raw material beyond people being more likely to distract her during her work if she did. And I was thinking that she wouldn't need to make another one, but thinking on it more... well, people are probably going to object to this. So she might need to make a second replacement, and with having already had the practice this time, if another human's the most handy source of biomass...

The thing about Amy is she doesn't have a conscience, really. Not when it comes to Victoria. She cares about what happens to Victoria, and when that's in doubt Everything Is On The Table. She did this in canon too when Victoria was injured - used pheromones to pull dozens of beloved family pets to mulch for biomass (some of which then went into the Wretch!).

So if Victoria died and Amy decided to Make A Replacement (which, despite my dim view of Amy, I don't think she necessarily would do, I can comfortably envisage courses of events that lead to her making a replacement and courses of events that do not have that at any point), humans could be on the table.

She has A: a sense of practicality; B: lingering Rules; and C: some human compassion in there she never really learned how to use with all the Rules to guide her. So she's unlikely to use humans early on, before moral decay really sets in or it proves Actually Necessary.

But humans are convenient. They're about the same shape and size so the work is way easier, they have the same composition including their giant throbbing brains. (Including any trace materials that might not be present in nonhuman brains - I'm not super informed on brains so I'm just gonna mention the possibility, I dunno)

In fact, let's talk about those brains, because we're in fun territory and humans may in fact be necessary depending on how far her power stretches, the scientific and physical nature of thought (which is heavily theoretical), and what exactly she wants out of the (Collateral Damage) Barbie doll she's making here.

Her Victoria is probably not gonna be a person. Oh, they'll be a human being, they'll have a brain, of appropriate size and structure for their age. But one of the very fundamental things a brain is is an information storage medium. Is there any information on it?

Amy can do brains, but what exactly can she do with brains? We know she can influence brain structure and chemical issues, she can influence emotions for sure, and I think she can do reflexes. But what can she do with thoughts? Memories? She can definitely wipe memories, but can she write them? Are those thoughts and memories a product of physical structure she can copy over from Victoria, or are they stored in active processes and electrical signals that are basically outside the reach of her power?

I'm inclined to say her power doesn't stretch that far, and it seems like that's the case in the interlude - if she had that much power over brains she could have just turned the switch back on on Victoria's brain, claim she second-triggered she can do brains now, boop it's all fine.

Which means what she's gonna get is effectively a total amnesiac that doesn't even have language, let alone memories of Amy. If they have memories, those are memories of being a dog (well, several dogs) that are now running on a human brain. They'd grow into a person but they wouldn't start as one. And that person is never going to be Victoria.

Is it close enough to satisfy her? What exactly does she want out of this? A doll that reminds her of Victoria, or a person she can convince herself is Victoria even after she leaves the love dungeon? (Because let's be real the first thing she's gonna do with her new Victoria is fuck her) Is the love dungeon experience even gonna be satisfactory with a Victoria-lookalike that doesn't know human language and is either a baby or a dog that just became a human five minutes ago?

And if it's not close enough to satisfy her... how much farther is she gonna go? Are her morals gonna decay to the point where it's fine to use a human being for this? That's another Amy question that could have multiple valid answers, and the situation can evolve in a number of plausible ways.

That said, if she does. She's gonna pick an Acceptable Target. Someone at the deep end of her contempt, the territory where even when her Rules were intact she would have gleefully threatened them with all manner of horrid biological things she could do to them. Which means it's either gonna be A Bad Person who has committed, uh, any kind of crime at all, ever, in their life (practically speaking if you're looking for one of those you basically walk into gang territory and grab someone in the gang's colours, just on the basis of 'gang goons are way easier to find than any other kind of criminal, and labelled for your convenience'), or a specific one that she decides to make her target because this should be special.

That second list is topped by Rune and Taylor. There's all three key factors - a complete and utter lack of compassion for them to the point where she actively exults in thinking of horrible things happening to them and ideally at her hand (Rune because she's A Bad Person, Taylor because She Took Vicky), a sense of narrative appropriateness, and an unending well of hate, both of the latter two from their involvement in the scenario around Victoria's death.

This one will be a person. They'll still never be Victoria, but with enough tweaking, not-looking-very-closely, and education, it may be close enough to satisfy her. Or she may go full Precia Testarossa/Otto Apocalypse and try to keep pushing further, and may or may not terribly mistreat the failures. (Or she may go for quantity and a Victoria Harem. This is unexplored territory so it's again, very much up to the author's read on Amy's character and how the situation develops and influences that mindset)

...Also, whether or not her replacement has powers is probably going to affect things heavily -- because if it does, Amy's demonstrated that she can manufacture parahumans with custom personalities from not-even-non-para-human biomass.

Well I'm not gonna say as a matter of this story whether that'll be the result, but by power mechanics, she absolutely can. Anyone can, though making it happen is trickier.

Shards get squiggly when it comes to genetically-identical people. Their markers for 'my host is there' seem to be rooted in genetics, because when identical twins trigger they either get the same powers or they fucking merge into a single body. And Bonesaw proves this even harder in late Worm when she mass-produces clones of Slaughterhouse 9 members past and present. Every single one of those clones has the same powers as the original - and a lot of the same memories too. So all you really need to do to manufacture a parahuman is cloning. Human cloning isn't there yet but it's really not very far off technologically - we're not more complex biologically than the sheep or primates that have been successfully cloned thus far.

As far as the shard is concerned it's the same person with the same markers they use to find where their host is in the local multiverse. The shard doesn't get humans, they can't entirely tell which is which, so they just shrug and double up. They've got the power to run multiple hosts easily, and it's more data.

(You can see this with Dragon too. Dragon doesn't travel. She's physically incapable of travel. Every time she transfers to a new server, she is copying herself and having the old instance deleted by her safeguards. And sometimes the extant copy gets destroyed and an old one restores from backups. Every time she transfers, that's not a contiguous existence, that's a completely new and separate piece of Dragon-shaped data. And she keeps her powers the whole time, because something in the shape of that data is the marker her Shard uses to tell where she is)

You don't get a parahuman out of this. You get a human. But that human is going to get a corona pollentia as soon as the shard notices them, and if that new iteration of the host triggers, they'll get the same powers as their original. They'll even get the memories to at least some degree, there's stuff stored on the shard and they'll restore-from-backup once they get the trigger and the connection opens up fully.

They don't require the same trigger. Any trauma'll do pretty much. They don't require the same memories or to be particularly similar as people - identical twins get the same power package, and while Bonesaw did have memories she implanted into her clones, they were not necessarily accurate and were based more on her impressions, sometimes secondhand because she never met these fuckers, rather than their actual histories and lived experiences.

With that said, they do require personhood, and that's a hurdle I talked about above. (Bonesaw used technology from Cranial, one of Toybox's tinkers, to install the memories and skip the decades of upbringing)

So, assuming Sylnarri goes with these mechanics (this is not precisely the garden-edition Wormverse), Amy's Victoria doll will be capable of triggering, but is unlikely to trigger until outside intervention happens to either hurt one of them or separate them. She's not going to make her Victoria experience anything unpleasant. Whatever they experience, she will make sure they do not find it unpleasant. (At least, unless she gets sufficiently angry and frustrated at her doll for Not Actually Being Victoria that she abuses them. Or even just rejecting them could be triggerworthy, considering how intensely she'll have made them love her. Whether she walks the Precia Testarossa path is its own question and is really up to interpretation)

And if that happens, she is likely going to become of intense interest to Cauldron, who will in turn be happy to let her have as large a harem of Glory Girl clones as she wants in her own private luxury section of their base if she'll make an army for them in return.

Honestly I'm not sure how much Cauldron would care? Their preference is a silver bullet, shards sufficiently unrestricted to do the job against Scion. Numbers and an army are very much the backup plan.

And more to the point they can already make parahumans. They can make them in a very nearly arbitrary quantity. It took them five hours to make a vial at the earliest, least-developed point in their process. They can do it faster than any amount of cloning or Amy-copies, they can do it with variety of powers instead of pure copies of parahumans that already didn't give them the silver bullet they wanted, and with less moral compromises (somehow). They can keep making parahumans until they run out of parts of Eden's body to feed to people, or run out of humans in the entire local multiverse. Frankly, they're more likely to hit the latter point first.

Clones, produced by Amy or otherwise, are just completely uninteresting to them. At best it's an additional production line to the dozens they're already running, and the least useful of those.

However, other factions? Oh they'd be very interested indeed. The US government is gonna be all over this shit and so is every faction out there. Cauldron may give her a 9mm retirement just to make sure she stays the fuck out of hands they don't want her in that would further destabilize the situation, or give her a boot in the ass to make sure she falls into the loving arms of the US government's black bag programs.
 
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Pale Wolf said:
She did this in canon too when Victoria was injured - used pheromones to pull dozens of beloved family pets to mulch for biomass (some of which then went into the Wretch!).
...Yep, don't think I've encountered that in fanfic. I'm not even sure what "the Wretch" is.

regarding humans being conveniently already close in form but in other ways problematic for her to use as material here:
Right, if I'm reading you correctly, I think that's about what I was already thinking on this.

depending on how far her power stretches
Well, I'm guessing that could be pretty far here, given how happy Shaper presumably is that she's finally doing something interesting. It might decide to push her even further by making her go after humans, I could see that, but I could also see it expecting that this'll lead to plenty of conflict already and is pretty likely to lead to her doing interesting things with humans anyway, so for now better to really show her just how much she can do when she actually tries, to encourage her to keep being creative. Or, then again, maybe it'd think creativity would be more encouraged by the limit of needing humans, and having to find a creative way to work within/around that. [shrugs] So, yeah, could go either way, seems to me.

if she had that much power over brains she could have just turned the switch back on on Victoria's brain, claim she second-triggered she can do brains now, boop it's all fine
Oh! Ohhh, now, that's an interesting point; I'd not thought of that, thanks!
Now, it is still possible that it's just that Amy also didn't think of that, until it was too late, or she hadn't yet decide to just do whatever it took, nevermind the consequences or what anyone else thought, yet, but that does seem to significantly reduce the probability that she can just write a new brain there, yes.

That second list is topped by Rune and Taylor.
Not Hookwolf? Not disagreeing that Rune and Taylor would be up there, but why wouldn't he be there too and probably in first place as the one who actually dealt the lethal damage?

re genetically identical people and powers:
...Huh. Thanks for the information.

re Dragon:
Oh, I wasn't aware it worked that way, either; thanks.

They'll even get the memories to at least some degree, there's stuff stored on the shard and they'll restore-from-backup once they get the trigger and the connection opens up fully.
...Well, now, that seems like it has relevance to the above discussion on Amy trying to make a more accurate (except when the new one is better in the form of reciprocating Amy's attraction) Victoria clone.

re Cauldron:
Good points, thanks. I was thinking of Amy being able to do more than she actually seems likely to be able to, given the information you've provided.

or give her a boot in the ass to make sure she falls into the loving arms of the US government's black bag programs.
Or, hey, maybe she can join Dr. Manton's "research team"! Cauldron's fine with them running around, after all; what's one more? Besides, maybe even if they aren't interested in Amy on her own, she, Bonesaw, and the Siberian together might end up doing something interesting.
 
...Yep, don't think I've encountered that in fanfic. I'm not even sure what "the Wretch" is.

The Wretch is Victoria's name for the fleshmonster Amy turned her into (and just kinda left her as for two years).

Well, I'm guessing that could be pretty far here, given how happy Shaper presumably is that she's finally doing something interesting. It might decide to push her even further by making her go after humans, I could see that, but I could also see it expecting that this'll lead to plenty of conflict already and is pretty likely to lead to her doing interesting things with humans anyway, so for now better to really show her just how much she can do when she actually tries, to encourage her to keep being creative. Or, then again, maybe it'd think creativity would be more encouraged by the limit of needing humans, and having to find a creative way to work within/around that. [shrugs] So, yeah, could go either way, seems to me.

Well, Shaper is gonna be more cooperative than usual with Amy doing more interesting things, but it's still pretty fundamentally limited to both its own competencies as a shard, and the specific contours of the power it gave Amy. Shards as a whole can do pr much anything, but no one shard can do everything. So even before we get into the question of what Shaper thinks, you'd have to resolve the question of whether Shaper even has options here. Shaper's not a god, there's only so much Shaper can do, and only a specific subset of that that went into Amy and it really can't be wiggled with that much.

A more cooperative shard and a host more in tune with her power generally change the numerical parameters of the power, not the qualitative ones. Like no matter how happy QA is with Taylor and how in the zone she is, her power will never let her control non-arthropods. It's within QA's competencies to control birds but she can never extend the power Taylor has to that point, not without hilarious alterations someone else has to do to her corona pollentia. What she can give Taylor is better responsiveness, wider range, more creatures controlled. Similarly the core of what a happy Shaper is gonna give Amy is faster and smoother alteration of flesh, but Shaper can't ever change the definition of 'flesh' Amy's power works on, not without an actual non-faked Second Trigger.

Amy is one of the people who can mutate the corona pollentia like that, so she can muddle with the definitions a power works on, but she can't do that to herself. So the best she could get with Shaper potential beyond the reach of her specific power is make a clone of herself and then mutate the corona and honestly hope it does what she wants it to because that clone of herself is every bit as 'Not Actually Her' as the Victoria one, and she can't necessarily control them the same way she can a Victoria clone - an Amy clone's powers are gonna be a direct mirror of hers until altered, which means every time she touches them they can do to her what she can do to them, control her in the exact same way she's controlling them.

And even then she definitely can't actually create a specific target power without a lot more knowledge than she has at this point. She'd be limited to tweaking random things, rolling the power gacha time after time, and sort of mapping out what's what from that process.

Now, it is still possible that it's just that Amy also didn't think of that, until it was too late, or she hadn't yet decide to just do whatever it took, nevermind the consequences or what anyone else thought, yet, but that does seem to significantly reduce the probability that she can just write a new brain there, yes.

I mean, it's not like the opportunity passed. Triggers can take time. She can go a week, it'd still be a viable second trigger argument, insofar as the knowledge on them is incredibly limited.

Not Hookwolf? Not disagreeing that Rune and Taylor would be up there, but why wouldn't he be there too and probably in first place as the one who actually dealt the lethal damage?

I mean, he would, but I honestly figured he was dead already. He tried to present Taylor with a 'do X or' situation where the one she'd prefer ended in her focusing on not-him, but Taylor has three completely separate bodies at that point, she can just pick and, her valkyries would not have needed a great deal of micromanaging to finish him off at that level of injury.

Victoria's consciousness went loopy around that point so our perspective wasn't watching to see 'hey where did Taylor's valkyries go while she herself went to Victoria?', and the PRT clearly hasn't found the body and assumes he's still alive, but I just have a hard time seeing a scenario where he's alive.

That said I did brainfart and forget that as far as Amy knows Hookwolf is still at large, so he'd still be on her list even if she Never Does Find The Body.

re genetically identical people and powers:
...Huh. Thanks for the information.

You can see this in action with Fenja & Menja - identical twins, identical powers. Two different people having the same trigger and the same power is... improbable.

...Well, now, that seems like it has relevance to the above discussion on Amy trying to make a more accurate (except when the new one is better in the form of reciprocating Amy's attraction) Victoria clone.

Exactly how much information gets sent back isn't really clear. It's non-zero, but the case study we get the most detail on (Damsel of Distress II) is one that Bonesaw had the actual person for, so she could have just downloaded all the actual person's actual memories with Cranial's tech and uploaded it to the clones. The ones that would have been most strongly leaning on the shard-backups are the ones we never met in nearly enough detail or at all as their actual selves, and didn't spend all that much time with even as the clones.

So we really have no way to tell whether those clones were 'actually backed up in full by the shard, this is effectively the old murderer resurrected' or 'a hilarious stitchwork mostly banking on the Cranialtech memories that were generated by Bonesaw's impression of them, or Bonesaw's impression of Jack's impression of them for ones she never met'.

re Cauldron:
Good points, thanks. I was thinking of Amy being able to do more than she actually seems likely to be able to, given the information you've provided.

Well, Amy can give someone a corona pollentia, easy. Or, y'know. A brain tumour that looks like a corona pollentia, and is identical in every respect other than the one that matters - an actual shard on the far end of that phone line to actually interface with the host.

Or, hey, maybe she can join Dr. Manton's "research team"! Cauldron's fine with them running around, after all; what's one more? Besides, maybe even if they aren't interested in Amy on her own, she, Bonesaw, and the Siberian together might end up doing something interesting.

I don't think Cauldron actually wants or accepts the S9 existing. But they're really fucking hard to deal with, because the moment any parahuman is involved with an operation against Jack, his shard is leaning on his intuition to make him start taking actions that specifically unravel any scheme that will hurt or impede him in any way. I do think Wildbow in some WoG whacks off Jack a bit overmuch, ascribing capabilities he could only have with the cooperation of shards who have apparently prioritized Jack over their own host, but it's absolutely the case that he is very difficult to deal with, because if there's a situation that he can't overcome with the S9, he doesn't show up for it in the first place if it involves parahumans in any way.

A PRT assault force with no parahumans at any part of the force structure or chain of operational command could plausibly take the Slaughterhouse 9 down. It would be very difficult because it's a whole bunch of individually very dangerous parahumans being wielded by a maestro, they would take a lot of casualties in the best-case, but it'd be a possible outcome. But no one is ever gonna make a force like that because it's completely counterintuitive, jesus christ, if you're gonna fight the nastiest supervillains out there you gotta have superhero support. You'd only know how to do it with either a lot of Thinker support or close exposure to Jack that not a lot of unpowered people survive. And the Thinker support won't work because Jack's shard is actively lying to them, and even if they realize it's lying to them, Broadcast can intercept the signals they send to their host. It may be able to spoof them, overwrite an actual shard-to-host communication by spewing complete bullshit, or add to the message, or twist it. And even if it can't it's gonna know what they are.

This is why Contessa can't just "Path to Slaughtering the Slaughterhouse Nine", Broadcast is literally reading the notes The Eye is sending to her, and updating Jack's behaviour to invalidate them. If she's gotten as far as figuring out how Jack is fucking her, she might outright avoid pathing him like she does other cognitohazards like Mama Mathers - she more than anyone else is deeply unsure of her shard's loyalty to her and her goals, and she does not want Jack's shard talking to it and potentially convincing it of something and rewiring her whole-ass power to be Path To Jack Slash's Victory where every path she gets might accomplish her goals but also helps Jack Slash.

(Whether The Eye would be this amenable to Jack's garbage is its own question and is almost certainly a no, but Contessa is the one parahuman most suspicious of her shard, most aware that this is an alien superweapon that is not even slightly friendly to humanity, and has already had her power rewired for the worse before. She knows she is using her shard deeply against what should be its parameters, and she does not want to ever find the limits of its loyalty to her and what she's using it for)

So like, I don't think the S9 are permitted to exist. I think Cauldron can't make them stop existing despite really wanting to. There is an alarmingly long list of things that fit into that category - the Endbringers, Sleeper, Nilbog, the Machine Army, Preacher, the Three Blasphemies, the Fallen, Gesellschaft, etc etc. Sometimes there's just too many things on the plate to attend to all of them. Sometimes it's a blind spot and Contessa can't see the damn thing or path anything related to them without first manually gathering the intelligence to construct a sufficiently-accurate mental model. Sometimes there is no path that leads to victory, and the best her power can do is say not to show up for it.

Cauldron did want Jack to live in canon but that was a new development after they became aware of the prophecy that Jack surviving equals the world ending in two years (and him not equals ending in ten years), not related to the S9 at all. (They correctly interpreted 'world ending' as 'Scion goes murder' and they wanted it to be sooner because global stability was decaying badly - had been doing so for the past thirty years - and they felt humanity would be in the best position to not end in two years rather than with another decade for the situation to deteriorate further)
 
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The Wretch is Victoria's name for the fleshmonster Amy turned her into
Ah, thanks.

and just kinda left her as for two years
...Huh. I didn't know about that, either.

re Shaper's limits:
Hm. I was thinking that that sort of generation and alteration of brain activity would be within the potential limits of Amy's power, but it does seem at least a grey area, yes, that might be on either side of the line, good point.

And regarding creating a clone, I did think of that as a possible way around this -- but then realized that she doesn't have a way to scan herself for that. She could potentially grow one just from her DNA, but that'd just create a human body with an identical genotype, not actually another Amy -- and without being able to copy her own neural activity or shape and spark the new brain to suit, it could be highly divergent if it was a person at all.

Though I do wonder if any story has an Amy who hit upon the idea of destructively cell-by-cell scanning-and-replacing her own body with biomass she can control.

re Amy altering powers:
Ah, thanks; I had heard she did that in canon, but I didn't know the details.

I mean, it's not like the opportunity passed. Triggers can take time. She can go a week, it'd still be a viable second trigger argument, insofar as the knowledge on them is incredibly limited.
Yeah, but is Vicky's body still available, then?

re Hookwolf:
Ah, hm, good point, he might well be. I was thinking of our lack of confirmation he was dead, and that he was last seen in the process of escaping -- but seen from not the most reliable at that point perspective, and you're right that, under the circumstances, it's very likely he indeed did not succeed at that.

But also, yeah, Amy doesn't seem to know, either. So perhaps the preference list goes Hookwolf>Rune>Taylor, since the first is most directly responsible for Vicky's death, the second is on the same team and might be someone Amy comes across anyway while looking for the first, and the third is likely to require a separate course of tracking down and is technically a hero who only accidentally got Vicky killed. Though the actual top preference might actually be "Whichever one I can get my hands on first".

re Fenja and Menja:
Good point!

re the memory backups:
And thanks for the information. Presumably it also varies, or at least in those cases potentially varies, from cape to cape, too, depending on what their powers were. Someone whose power involved shedding anything resembling a human brain or something capable of duplicating it, requiring pretty much all processing to be done shardside, probably has a very good backup, while someone whose power didn't affect their body at all and just involved the manipulation of other things or people might not have much of one at all.

Well, Amy can give someone a corona pollentia, easy. Or, y'know. A brain tumour that looks like a corona pollentia, and is identical in every respect other than the one that matters - an actual shard on the far end of that phone line to actually interface with the host.
Hm. Though I wonder what'd happen if she gave someone a corona pollentia genetically identical to that of another parahuman?

re the S9 and Cauldron:
Oh, interesting. I think I'd assumed, and picked up, that PtV still hard-trumped Broadcast there, and thus if the S9 were still running around, it was because Cauldron at least didn't care to stop them.

Broadcast can intercept the signals they send to their host. It may be able to spoof them, overwrite an actual shard-to-host communication by spewing complete bullshit, or add to the message, or twist it. And even if it can't it's gonna know what they are.
And I definitely am not recalling coming across that before. Yeah, that's definitely a hard one to get around... maybe if the host was run entirely shardside, so that those communications are taking place entirely within the shard's internal network, and the power could directly control the host's body so that Broadcast couldn't work on the control signal, and the shard was refusing to help Broadcast willingly... and that just frees that particular parahuman from that particular issue; they'd still need to be able to somehow deal with all the other aspects of the S9 that make them difficult to take out. If they can even find them, since Broadcast would likely at least be able to tell that it couldn't work with them, and thus likely steer the S9, or at least Jack, away.

Whether The Eye would be this amenable to Jack's garbage is its own question and is almost certainly a no, but Contessa is the one parahuman most suspicious of her shard, most aware that this is an alien superweapon that is not even slightly friendly to humanity
Right. Best plausible case scenario as I understand it is that it's genuinely loyal, and has been the entire time, to Abaddon and was sent here as part of a plot to kill Zion and Eden, in which humanity is merely a tool. And sure, supposedly Abaddon is a "nicer" entity to its hosts (though I'm not clear on where that information came from), but... even if that's accurate, by how much? And how likely is it that, even if it is, Cauldron, maybe all of Earth Bet or the refugees, would be next to eliminate as having outlived their usefulness and being too dangerous to leave around?

and has already had her power rewired for the worse before.
Was that right after she got it, as Eden's dying act? I think I remember something about that. Or was it something else?

She knows she is using her shard deeply against what should be its parameters, and she does not want to ever find the limits of its loyalty to her and what she's using it for
Yep. Because either she's tricking it, and that trick being noticed would be very bad, or it's been tricking her, in which case they're probably already doomed but might get even moreso if it decides it's time to take the mask and gloves off.

the Endbringers, Sleeper, Nilbog, the Machine Army, Preacher, the Three Blasphemies, the Fallen, Gesellschaft, etc etc.
Huh. Wow. My impression was that it was basically only the Endbringers and Scion they wanted to eliminate but couldn't, and all the rest of that was something they either didn't care about or actively desired.

re wanting Jack alive but only later:
Ah, thanks.
 
I'm gonna respond to you later Reese, but it's gonna be chunky and this cannot be delayed.

I should note that it wasn't for a lack of desire on Amy's part, as said body horror was the result of Shaper doing it's own thing instead of what she wanted (healing Vicky and undoing the change to her brain).

It should not be noted because that's a blatant fucking lie. You haven't read Worm so I'm not saying you're knowingly lying, but your knowledge on what happened past Arc 3 is based on misunderstandings of misunderstandings of misunderstandings, or blatant lies.

Here's the actual motherfucking text, because you've never read it in your life:

The Actual Motherfucking Worm said:
"I wanted to see her smile again. To have someone hug me before I left forever. So you wouldn't have to worry about me anymore. I- I told myself I'd leave after. Victoria wouldn't remember. It would be a way for me to get closure. Then I'd go and spend the rest of my life healing people. Sacrifice my life. I don't know. As payment."

Lady Photon had made her way upstairs. She entered the room and stopped just in front of Brandish. Her hands went to her mouth. Her words were a whispered, "Oh God."

Amy kept talking, her voice strangely monotone after her earlier emotion, as if she were a recording. Maybe she was, after a fashion, all of the excuses and arguments she'd planned spilling from her mouth. "I wanted her to be happy. I could adjust. Tweak, expand, change things to serve more than one purpose. I had the extra material from the cocoon. When I was done, I started undoing everything, all the mental and physical changes. I got so tired, and so scared, so lonely, so I thought we'd take another break, before I was completely finished. I changed more things. More stuff I had to fix. And days passed. I-"

Brandish clenched her fists.

"I lost track. I forgot how to change her back."

A caricature. A twisted reflection of how Amy saw Victoria, the swan curve of the nape of the neck, the delicate hands, and countless other features, repeated over and over again throughout. It might even have been something objectively beautiful, had it not been warped by desperation and loneliness and panic. As overwhelming as the image and the situation had been in Amy's mind, Victoria was now equally imposing, in a sense. No longer able to move under her own power, her flesh spilled over from the edge of the mattress and onto the floor.

She made the Wretch because she was playing. She emphasized and repeated adnauseum the things she liked about Victoria's body for sexual purposes because she was raping her. She used extra material to add to an already-fixed body, of her own will, to add features she liked, extra breasts to grope wherever her hands happened to be, etc. She thought it was hot. I mean, I don't, and her sexual tastes have probably been hilariously warped by her exposure to creepy-ass biology and Shaper's influence over the past two years since she triggered, but they are what they are. Shaper didn't do this. Amy did. Shaper may have shaped her wants over a period of years but those are her wants.

When she was done, she started putting Victoria back together, but then she got so sad about their future parting she just had to resume raping Victoria and changing more things for fun, then finished and started putting things back in a cycle that passed over at least three to four days until she'd messed and and fixed and remessed so many things she got her wires crossed and forgot what went where.

She could have fixed it over time and work (she did two years later), but she didn't trust herself with it, so she insisted on going to the Birdcage. And honestly, fair. I wouldn't trust her with it either. But at the same time, you know. It's unforgivable that the victim had to wait two fucking years for the rapist to work on herself before she could be made physically functional and not still in love with the rapist.



And for your part, you need to stop spouting off about facts and details you don't know and have no interest in learning. You don't have to read what actually happened in Worm, you can stay in your fanfic land of uwu Amy. But if you're not gonna read the real story past Amy's first appearance, you need to shut the fuck up about what happened there. You literally have not read it.
 
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