Money and Power: A Xianxia Merchant Quest

Adhoc vote count started by The Froggy Ninja on Nov 10, 2020 at 5:36 PM, finished with 51 posts and 13 votes.

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Honor guard is a long term position, I assume. We will have the chance to pick Reforge your core in future Quarters, so it should be good, eventually.
 
[] Reforge your Core x10
Spend $5 and 10 weeks reforging your core. This will leave you vulnerable this quarter, so duels and other dangerous actions are inadvisable. You cannot pursue other cultivation based actions when you Reforge your core.
[] Make Money
The Forge can make a lot of money if you spend the time to man it. This is similar to Copy with the Forge but the Clan is buying the materials and you are mass producing Treasures for sale, not keeping them for yourself.

[] Build Infrastructure
Instead of making things for sale, make things to help the clan grow, like flying armored caravans instead of wagons. This will drain money from your reserves, but should improve your chances of expanding successfully and improve income.
I just realized that Plan don't die in the forest might have been invalid, anyway. From the wording and context clues, it's possible that Build Infrastructure requires using the Forge, which Reforging your Core would not allow (I think?).

The more I think about it, the more I think this will be a pretty tricky limitation, actually. It might require some planning ahead, where we decide to "save up" on four not-cultivation options we're interested in to add to a Reforging turn. This Quarter/Turn, we had three mandatory ones that all qualified, but Grand Tour is very likely a one-and-done option, and I'm not sure about how long Train Bureaucracy/Business Sense will last.

It's something to keep in mind, at least.
 
I just realized that Plan don't die in the forest might have been invalid, anyway. From the wording and context clues, it's possible that Build Infrastructure requires using the Forge, which Reforging your Core would not allow (I think?).

The more I think about it, the more I think this will be a pretty tricky limitation, actually. It might require some planning ahead, where we decide to "save up" on four not-cultivation options we're interested in to add to a Reforging turn. This Quarter/Turn, we had three mandatory ones that all qualified, but Grand Tour is very likely a one-and-done option, and I'm not sure about how long Train Bureaucracy/Business Sense will last.

It's something to keep in mind, at least.

I already thought it needed planning Ahead to avoid being a mortal and unable to respond when someone makes a move. It was why i was happy about the divination abilities of diamond.

I also expected that the cash and time needed will increase with each Reforging because it's powerful enough that if it was easy to reforge it would be broken.

If it had been mentioned that Build infrastucture counted as a cultivation action before vote close. I would have asked if charm Partners would work without a malus during a rebuild because going to social events as a mortal doesnt seem like the best idea.

If it worked I would have switched them out if it didn't I would have chosen train combat or research the Forest to maintain FOCUS with the Plan name.
 
I already thought it needed planning Ahead to avoid being a mortal and unable to respond when someone makes a move. It was why i was happy about the divination abilities of diamond.
I don't think Diamond has given us any divination abilities, at least yet.
I also expected that the cash and time needed will increase with each Reforging because it's powerful enough that if it was easy to reforge it would be broken.
I agree with the idea of an increase in cash/resources (it's almost a given, actually, in my opinion), but time? I think it's very unlikely. For one, it could mess up the Quadrant-based voting format. And second and more important, the drawback of being unable to do anything cultivation-related while Reforging is big enough already without extending it for longer, that doing so would make it close to not worth it, especially if you compared it to the Foundation Techniques we didn't pick.

If what you say was true, later on we could be looking at something like this:
-we pick Reforge, plus 4 actions that cannot be cultivation based.
-the QM writes whatever scenes make sense for our choices, which will sometime require more choices to be made within them and for which we would be unable to make use of our powers. This is already pretty risky, but then...
-next turn comes and we're still Reforging, so we're still locked out of any cultivation based Action and must pick 5 unrelated ones, even if something crazy has happened in the story in the meantime.
-the QM writes those scenes and we have to deal with the events as mortals once again. And if it really gets more time-costly with each Reforging as you say, then...
-turns 3, 4, 5 etc. come, and we continue being unable to access cultivation based Actions or our powers.

I think that's unrealistic. We wouldn't get to see those turns, 'cause we'd die/lose first, or more likely, we'd just decide that reforging wouldn't be worth the risk at that point.
In the meantime, Alternative Universe Chachi, who picked The Supreme Panoply/Legion of One, uses an Action to improve her cultivation (albeit likely much less than what Reforging gives us) which doesn't prevent her from taking other cultivation based Actions, nor from using her powers during the various scenes related to them, and then, she gets to do it again the next turn, and the next, and the next.

I don't see it.
 
I don't think Diamond has given us any divination abilities, at least yet.

We haven't currently unlocked divination, however Diamonds were noted to be good at it.

I agree with the idea of an increase in cash/resources (it's almost a given, actually, in my opinion), but time? I think it's very unlikely. For one, it could mess up the Quadrant-based voting format. And second and more important, the drawback of being unable to do anything cultivation-related while Reforging is big enough already without extending it for longer, that doing so would make it close to not worth it, especially if you compared it to the Foundation Techniques we didn't pick.

I said I already expected to have to do things to manage the risk that comes with rebuilds so this doesn't really change anything for me; Here are some other problems that could pop up with future rebuilds.

I was fully expecting something like that's why we have to make sure to prep for each specific rebuild and develop skills to make them safer. At worst I was thinking that you would decide that rebuilds in the growth stage weren't worth it after a certain point and that we should see what our foundation did when we were further up transformation. I didn't expect you to say that this is worse then the other two foundations outright and that we shouldn't even try to manage risks.
 
Like I said, multiple turns without access to cultivation-based Actions or our powers would be too risky, in my opinion, which would make it far worse than the other two foundations. One turn is the prefect balance of high risk, high reward. More than that, and it becomes not worth it.
 
The New Partners
Her brother was less than impressed with her proposal to form a new branch.

"You want to keep the charities going, fine. I'll begin auditing them and the suspicious employees immediately. But Public Relations? Headed by your mother? And you want to gut the Sales branch to do it, right before this risky expansion? It'll be chaos. Even more chaos! You want to give your mom a job, fine. Just give her the charities and let her prep you for public appearances, please do not touch Sales yet."

1. What is your vision for PR?
[] Small
PR will be a handful of employees administering the charities, planning events, and dealing with Chachi personally as the face of the clan. Your mom did all those things informally before, but now she'll head an official branch.

[] Big
Small + take brand management, advertising, and relations with large trade partners from Sales. Give them a discretionary fund to deal with any potential PR problems. PR will match your other branches in size. Your mother prefers this. Your brother fears this will decrease stability, but you think it will work better in the long run.

[] Huge
Big + give them salesperson recruitment, training, and price setting. Sales becomes Distribution, focused purely on the logistics of moving product. Your brother insists this will be disastrous.

That night Chachi took her father's… Her formal carriage back to the family estate. She had rooms in the Main Office, but there was more business to take care of back home. On the outside, her carriage looked like a bit like a giant blue dragon fruit, a central bulb with gray petals swaying gently in the wind. It was attached to Tepak, her fa… Her loyal companion beast.

The Dashing Shade Llama gently bleated as Chachi approached. She petted his furry neck, "let's go home." Tepak never took to human speech, but he understood it fine. The beast projected a thin layer of shadow on the ground in front of it. It couldn't fly, but it could run smoothly over any surface.

The carriage unfurled at a touch of Chachi's Teotl and she stepped inside. She fed the simple fire core in her teapot a burst of Teotl and threw herself on the lounging couch. Soooo much paperwork! With another flick of Teotl she unfurled the roof and watched the stars pass by. Tepak would move steadily through the city, careful not to hurt anyone in the streets, then really let go when he hit the ancient yucca fields. If a mortal tried to walk the same distance it would take them at least a week, but Tepak could do it in less than an hour and his passengers would barely feel the journey.

She sipped tea, looked at the stars, and entered the 9999 Revelations meditations. She spent most of her time in either Revelations or Evaluation, and she didn't feel like measuring the stars today. There was work to do here on earth, decisions to make about the future of the company. The carriage soon stopped and she jumped out.

There was a momentous decision waiting for her in the guest suites.

She stopped by Oku's guest room first. Her half-sister was inspecting her armor, "at least you broke the piece that was already half-broke. You wanna do your hammer thing on it?"

2. What do you want to do about Oku's equipment?
[] Good as new! (No cost)
[] Better than new! ($2)
[] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)

Chachi shrugged, "sure, but I expect a return on my investment. Do you want to be my honor guard?"

Okullin rubbed the back of her neck, "you know I was one solid stab away from being the Matriarch, right? You don't have anything more, like, fancy?"

Chachi grinned, "As my honor guard we'll work together every day, train together, fight together, deal with boring bullshit together. You'll be able to give advice on everything and be my second when it matters, it's like being Matriarch without the headache. Just please don't strangle me in my bed."

The exile laughed, "don't give me cause and you'll be fine."

They walked a few doors over to the largest guest suite.

A servant announced her entrance, but the giant didn't stand or bow, he just kept devouring the pile of cow meat in front of him. The vegetables were untouched. He was a true giant, at least twice Chachi's modest height and three times her weight. They put him in the guest suite with the highest ceilings, and he still couldn't stand comfortably. Even seated, he made the room feel like a playhouse. She'd only seen such exaggerated size in Transformation cultivators who'd merged their body with an enormous beast. He wore leather clumsily stitched into pants and a fur vest, marking him instantly as an outsider.

"I am Chalchiuhxochitl, the new Matriarch of the Atlahau clan. I believe you made a deal with my father?"

The foreigner's voice was a deep rumble, "yes. We make trade. Heaven Water for [gibberish]" It was a strange, broken impression of Language. The last word was absolutely unpronounceable. She'd never heard a person make noises like that. Did his people not know how to speak?

"You mean dracoxen?" she replied diplomatically.

He nodded, "his word. They are [gibberish]. He make trade with walking people. King of mountain people hate walking people. Want us weak. They send hunters. Trade man is weak baby and die. I am most strong in walking people. I take him back to light baby lands. We trade?"

Most strong? "Are you the leader of your people, then?"

He humphs, "most strong, not most smart."

"How… Enlightened. What are the logistics," Chachi corrects herself at the blank look, "how we make trade?"

"Meet in good valley. Land of no fight. You give water. We give [gibberish]. Good trade."

"How do I get a herd of large animals, they are large, yes?" he nodded, "through the Beast Lands?"

He stood in a hunch to keep his head from crashing into the ceiling and searched through his baggage. Finally he retrieved a giant collar. Under the Art of Evaluation, Chachi could see it was a treasure of strange construction, several cores interwoven with Teotl receptive strands.

"He say you make more. Need…" he flashes his ten fingers three times, then holds up three fingers, "one for one. Make bad smell and good smell."

Oku laughed behind her, "oh yeah, make bad smell AND good smell. Perfect!"

The giant laughed along with her, "Yes! I show you good valley way on small land. Hard is go to good valley. You are baby. Must learn not see or learn fight good fast."

Oku rolled her eyes, "that shit again. You think you're so tough, let's have a spar. Show me I'm a baby."

Chachi drew her sister back, "you can see him right? That body means he's at least in Merging."

"Yeah, so? Not like I haven't taken a few hundred beatings. He says he's the strongest of his people. Let's see how good he is."

So Chachi found herself back in the courtyard. It was deep in the night, so with the possible exception of a nosy servant peering through the windows, there were no witnesses.

Not bothering with showmanship, Oku opened with her usual bolt of black lightning. It washed over the stranger like a splash of water on a cliff face. Chachi barely saw him move but with the Art of Evaluation, she was able to gauge it accurately: 3.2 times the speed of sound. Oku put her spear in the way, but he flicked it aside with his hand. He grabbed Oku by the head with one giant paw and lifted her off the earth.

"Fight done!" he announced. He then very gently put her back down.

"All light baby weak. All but god. Baby, baby, god. We fear god, not baby."

Chachi felt a spike of fear, but something else quickly overcame it: greed. These strange people had a secret to cultivation, something that could increase their physical abilities far more than anyone in the Empire of Light thought possible. Something on par with the Infinite Perfect? She was sure she could match him if she kept reforging her core, but could she incorporate whatever secret of cultivation they held and skyrocket her own abilities? Did her father know this, were the Dracoxen and the collection of Beast Land trade goods a means to reproduce their abilities? Could they sell it? Could they bottle it?

She just had to find a way to survive the trip.
 
Better than new would sell for about $5 to the right buyer. If you could find a buyer who can swing it, and very few people even among Lords and Saints can actually afford to buy something like that, Thrice Refined would be worth somewhere around $100. It would be considered priceless by conventional metrics. If you were making things for sale you wouldn't bother with something like that because Heavenly Power is hard to source and there's not much of a market for a sword that costs 100 billion dollars even if it's just better than every other sword. It might sit in your vault for a century inviting thieves while you try to sell it to a Duke or the Emperor.
 
Better than new would sell for about $5 to the right buyer. If you could find a buyer who can swing it, and very few people even among Lords and Saints can actually afford to buy something like that, Thrice Refined would be worth somewhere around $100. It would be considered priceless by conventional metrics. If you were making things for sale you wouldn't bother with something like that because Heavenly Power is hard to source and there's not much of a market for a sword that costs 100 billion dollars even if it's just better than every other sword. It might sit in your vault for a century inviting thieves while you try to sell it to a Duke or the Emperor.
Jeepers creepers. Is the random cost on a bell curve or fully random or what?
 
@Mr. Prokosch
Do we know how much stronger Oku would be with a thrice refined armor? I mean, would we still be stronger than her? If so, I don't see a reason to do that now.
 
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Very exciting stuff. I'll likely give my thoughts on the scene with the giant later, but for what concerns the votes...

First, Oku's equipment: I think this is a great opportunity, coming at an unfortunate time. It's great that we get to do something incredibly cool and useful without having to use an Action on it, but at the same time spending money on it right now is a bit worrisome. I think the benefits outweigh the risks, though. It improves our Honor Guard's capabilities, which increases our odds of survival by default. It creates something worth far more than what we invest in it, which could come in handy, perhaps. And it can be pointed at to showcase how game-changing our powers are and what their potential might be, not only to Oku herself (an incentive to rely on us rather than betray us), but to the world at large, current and potential business partners included.

[X] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)

As for our mother, I had a feeling that we should have changed Head of PR to a more specific (and limiting) title. But as far as the options go, I think something in between Small and Big would be best. Perhaps taking just "relations with large trade partners from Sales", rather than also brand management and advertising? If it could be done, I'd be all for it (@Mr. Prokosch ?), but as things stand, and with the knowledge that it's more convenient to add something later, rather than take it away, I'll vote for:

[X] Small
 
Heavenly Refinement has costs each use and an increasing rate of catastrophic failure. It's a pillar technique so you have a bonus. Thrice Refined needs:
1 roll that isn't a critical failure
1 roll that has good odds
1 roll that has ok odds.

Succeed three times and you got it. Fail with any Refinement and you have to remake the armor and try again from the top. $2 represents pretty good luck, everything on the first try, $20 represents very poor luck.

If Oku was wearing Thrice Refined Armor in your fight you would need a very specialized weapon to hurt her, or take advantage of the parts not covered in armor. The armor itself would be light, indestructible, and perfectly protect the wearer from cutting or impacts and many environmental dangers but refinement doesn't fundamentally changed its structure, so a stab in the uncovered face of the helmet will still work.

7 Refinements throws that rule out and changes its nature. At that point it would likely become sentient Iron-Man style armor. 7 Refinements is the stuff of legends though.
 
Okay, gonna vote for it them...

[X] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)

It is not just about survival rate, though. I was thinking that if we can refine it a few more times down the road, we can even have Oku fuse with it later. Who knows, maybe that can work?

As for the department... well, I don't trust our mother. I'd rather bring her along everywhere with the argument that 'our success is her success', while not paying her anything. But that is me, SpaceOwl, and not Chachi~

That being so, for now, and with the dwindling amount of money that will come with the refinement...

[X] Small

I don't think we should immediately invest in something big before making some real money.
 
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Heavenly Refinement has costs each use and an increasing rate of catastrophic failure. It's a pillar technique so you have a bonus. Thrice Refined needs:
1 roll that isn't a critical failure
1 roll that has good odds
1 roll that has ok odds.

Succeed three times and you got it. Fail with any Refinement and you have to remake the armor and try again from the top. $2 represents pretty good luck, everything on the first try, $20 represents very poor luck.
So, just to be perfectly clear, you're saying that the worst case scenario is that it'll cost us 20 but we'll succeed at it, and not that it'll cost us 20 and we'll fail anyway, right?
 
1 roll that isn't a critical failure
1 roll that has good odds
1 roll that has ok odds.
Assuming DCs of 1, 25 and 50, there's about a 75% chance of getting it in 3 attempts, which would cost $6. Pretty good investment, especially considering that it'll also be an advertisement of our skill. "I made my honor guard a literally priceless artifact on a whim, I could make you something awesome too, for a price."

[X] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)
[X] Small
On the one hand, mom is obviously sus, what with the "very loyal" layabouts and such. On the other hand, we're a sweet cinnamon bun who would never suspect her family of treachery. At least we know from the blurbs that big bro is dutiful and probably won't try to act against us for selfish reasons.
 
@The Froggy Ninja
Well, he is dutiful and loyal - to the Clan. That does not make him loyal to us. If he judges there is someone more fitting to command, or if we fail at our job for some reason, or if he judges that our choices are not the right ones... he will have plenty of reasons to stage a coup. Or maybe, it is just in my nature to doubt everyone but Oku - who has muscles for brain.
 
@The Froggy Ninja
Well, he is dutiful and loyal - to the Clan. That does not make him loyal to us. If he judges there is someone more fitting to command, or if we fail at our job for some reason, or if he judges that our choices are not the right ones... he will have plenty of reasons to stage a coup. Or maybe, it is just in my nature to doubt everyone but Oku - who has muscles for brain.
That's the thing though, we're currently very good for the clan. We're strong, likable and produce incredibly valuable goods that no one else is likely to match for quite some time. Our only downsides are that we're too young and dumb to not trust people and we don't have any skills related to running a business. Luckily, we're learning from him and still letting him run most of the business until we get caught up, which shows both the wisdom to recognize our own limitations and the backbone to not immediately hand over full control the moment someone points them out.
 
Ooh! We definitely need to learn that Giant Man's Cultivation Style. It would be quite beneficial indeed for our Physical Growth! He seems like a swell guy so maybe he could teach us a couple of pointers or tips?

[X] Big

[X] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)
 
Edit changed my mind from small to big because the extra stability action won I feel that we can take the hit.

[X] Big
[X] Thrice Refined (Random cost between $2 - $20)

I want to see our technique in action and if she's going with us to the forest making her less likely to die is a good investment. As for the giant, he might have some strange cultivation secrets but I'd say that it's more likely that he's just in a higher stage of cultivation. Given that he's only afraid of the emperor it's likely that he's one of the unknown demi gods living outside the empire mentioned in the cultivation threadmark.
 
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Interesting choice. To be clear, I'm not condemning it, but why have you decided this is optimal?
I want to see our technique in action and if she's going with us to the forest making her less likely to die is a good investment.
Agreed, though even the basic upgrade is incredibly valuable and she's already enough of a combat badass to be at little risk.
As for the giant, he might have some strange cultivation secrets but I'd say that it's more likely that he's just in a higher stage of cultivation. Given that he's only afraid of the emperor it's likely that he's one of the unknown demi gods living outside the empire mentioned in the cultivation threadmark.
He's describing the belief that our people are weak as a cultural norm. He's the strongest but I doubt his perspective is so warped that it doesn't at least have some basis in reality.
 
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