Galbadia Garden has similar aesthetic sensibilities to Balamb Garden, but a different color scheme, favoring dark browns and reds that reflect the desert valley they're located in. According to the students, GGU used to collaborate willingly with Galbadia, but the sorceress is throwing a wrench into things - they don't want to obey her, and suspect of using Deling to 'take over the world.' Later, another student mentions rumors that the sorceress has the ability to brainwash others. It's not clear what is known for a fact about the sorceress, but rumors abound and, at least in Galbadia Garden, are universally negative. Nobody likes the sorceress.
There also seems to be a bit of a different student culture (stricter? More discipline?), as despite Galbadia Garden being larger than BGU, the characters comment on how quiet things are, with Squall even adding that he likes the silence (this makes Rinoa laugh).
You know, I think with Galbadia Garden it's really starting to sink in that "oh yeah RWBY was 100% inspired by Final Fantasy VIII". Not the only inspiration, sure, but seriously just sprinkle a few white textures for snow, maybe make the Garden fly and oh look it's Atlas Academy, complete with being a funnel into the local military of the super militaristic country with the futuristic cyborg robot vibes.
Granted considering Monty's early work with Dead Fantasy I probably should have seen the FFVIII inspiration coming.
Student: "Have you heard about that hockey team made up of a bunch of monsters? We're gonna play them next week. To tell the truth, I'm kinda worried. Some guys told me that they play so rough that some of our guys might get killed."
…okay. So it turns out the Gerogero situation wasn't a fluke; there are monsters that are integrated within human society to the point of holding public positions in jobs like sports. Although even in that situation they are dangerous enough (lack self-control? Violent instincts?) that they're a threat to human players… But not so much of a threat that they're barred from participation.
It's really looking like Galbadia might be purposefully integrating monsters into its society, maybe as a result of the failures of their war effort and looking for an edge in the fight against the Gardens' elites. That's… Fascinating.
You know, is this one of the first times a Final Fantasy game has had some degree of established "oh yeah the monsters can be people too, can even integrate with normal people society"? I mean on one hand apparently they all fall off the moon and annihilate entire civilizations from the face of the planet, as one does, but on the other between Gerogero and the hockey team this feels like the most strangely tolerant of monsters we've seen Final Fantasy societies be? Only other peaceful monster settlement I'm remembering off the top of my head is the Land of Summons in FFIV.
Quistis: "They understand our situation. And Balamb Garden is safe. The attack on the president in Timber was classified as an independent action." Quistis: "There was an official notice from the Galbadian government saying that Balamb Garden is not being held responsible." Zell: "So, Seifer's taking all the blame?" Quistis: "The trial's over, and the sentence has been carried out…"
(Everyone looks horrified.) Rinoa: "...He was executed? …Of course he was. He attacked the president." Rinoa: "He sacrificed himself for the 'Forest Owls'..." Quistis: "It was your group that got Seifer involved in all this. You're a resistance faction, right? You must have been prepared for the worst. I'm sure Seifer was prepared, too. So don't think of it as Seifer sacrificing himself for you." (She sits down, looking down sadly.) "I'm sorry. I guess that wasn't much consolation."
Man. What a way to accidentally hit Rinoa right in the wound set up by their previous argument about not treating the resistance seriously enough. She absolutely wasn't prepared to lose someone like this.
Rinoa just taking Ls left and right since she entered the script proper, really. Fails to kidnap the president, fails to broadcast independence, the Owls are scattered and effectively wiped out, now her kinda sorta boyfriend-crush is dead...
…except of course Seifer isn't dead. That's the obvious mystery underlying all this. Not to get meta on us, but the fact that such an important character allegedly died off-screen without a last word or death scene would be weird enough if he wasn't plastered on the CD box cover and featured multiple times in the OP. So Galbadia is playing a hidden layer of the game here.
What? Noooo Omi, of course Seifer is 200%, absolutely, indubitably dead! See, this is the part where Final Fantasy VIII starts to hit you with how sudden and final death can be, like Aerith! Probably!
To everyone else, this is a total nonsequitur. Squall has been silent the entire time, he hasn't said one word since Quistis came in and informed them of Seifer's execution, suddenly blows up, screams about how he won't have anyone talk about him in the past tense, and storms out of the room to run off through Galbadia Garden, without a clear destination, no goal but to escape the shadow of what happened to Seifer - what might happen to him.
It's genuinely a really compelling moment for a character who's spent this whole time trying to avoid showing vulnerability only to just suddenly snap when confronted with his mortality. Squall is a teenager, and he is a soldier. One side of this equation lends itself to delusions of immortality, a conviction of his own invincibility, the idea that life is forever and he has all the time he ever needs to grow up and live. The other lends itself to constant confrontation with mortality and the risks that come with war, death striking senselessly and without resolve, out of nowhere. So far, he's been able to navigate that cognitive dissonance thanks to his skill - death isn't something that happens to him, it's something that happens to other people, the weaker soldier he defeats by the handful or the incompetent resistance members who don't have clear-eyed vision like he does.
Except Seifer was the strongest of them, the closest thing he might even have had to a role model in his own way, and now he's fucking dead, and it drives a wedge between those two questionably-reconciled parts of his identity.
It probably doesn't help that like… Everybody hated Seifer. And Squall knew this. And here is everyone, trying to find something nice to say, papering over who Seifer was with platitudes about how he was 'one of them', and now Squall is probably realizing:
The same thing will happen to him. He'll die, never having made a single friend, and everyone will take the messy problematic picture of 'who Squall was' and massage it into a more convenient, more acceptable memory, and put it on a shelf, and that'll be the long and short of him.
Understandably, having his worldview kicked in the balls is just a tad hard on Squall. I guess child soldiers might have a flaw or two, whoops. Maybe Cid can get his own Sorceress and mind control those kinks out in future itterations.
What this message is, Raijin has no idea, he just gave it to the Galbadia Headmaster and left. Apparently, they were meant to go to Timber, but with the trains shut down, they had "no choice" but to go to Galbadia Garden. So… They were supposed to go to Timber to find Squall and update the group's orders, couldn't, so they went to Galbadia Garden and entrusted the Headmaster to transmit the order to us? That is a weirdly carefree approach to something so sensitive.
My guess is it's just one of those SeeD handbook/standard operating proceedure things that we aren't getting the details on. Similar to how earlier the team went "well can't go back to Balamb, head to the nearest Garden for sanctuary" Fuijin and Raijin just went to the nearest place that could be considered a secure location where presumably either Team Squall would show up and collect their mail, or Galbadia Garden could send out a team or something to locate and deliver it.
Then a car drives over from inside Galbadia Garden? Like, it literally appears from inside the university, driving through the atrium.
That's it. I am officially declaring Galbadia Garden to be The American Garden. Overcomplicated mechanical exoskeletons, cars everywhere, everything is way larger than it needs to be, and there's an ice hockey rink? It's American.
Alright we all know Omi wrote these words with full knowledge of who's showing up in ten seconds, right? I mean it's not wrong we could do with a gunner and there's already been items like Ammo drops and Weapon Magazines showing actual guns, but still.
Squall: "The orders say by mean of 'a sniper.' We have no one with that skill." Martine: "Don't worry about it. Let me introduce an elite sharpshooter from Galbadia Garden. Kinneas! Irvine Kinneas!"
Oh my god. He admits it. He admits to being a fuckboy who needles people for no reason. Incredible. AND GUESS WHAT? HE NOT ONLY HAS A GUN, HE'S A FUCKING COWBOY. THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS COSPLAYING A TEXAN. GOD!
So where does Irvine having the outfit of a Texan fit on the old "FFVII secretly takes place on earth/with earth societies having space traveled there"? I mean, we sure haven't seen an actual cowboy city yet.
This is Irvine Kinneas. He will be our sharpshooter. If you're guessing where this is going, then you're probably right, and once Headmaster Martine has gone back to his car and driven off (BACK INTO THE ATRIUM???), Squall helpfully lays it out for everyone:
They are to assassinate the sorceress.
I should have held back my "assassinating zombie JFK" joke from the train heist, because this is much closer to the real deal: We're taking on Irvine because our plan is not at all to give her any kind of fight, or even to perform an abduction or anything like that, but rather to ew close to Selphie's "blow it up with a rocket launcher" philosophy: the plan is to shoot her with a sniper rifle from as far as possible.
If this fails, then the rest of the team will be the backup option and commit to a direct attack. While Irvine boasts that he never misses his target, it's clear that killing the sorceress is a high enough priority that Balamb and Galbadia Garden are willing to risk multiple assets on a direct confrontation if the initial plan doesn't work out.
He immediately puts himself in a party with Rinoa and Selphie, leaving Squall, Quistis and Zell behind.
I was wrong. He isn't a fuckboi. He is the fuckboiest. Holy shit. Just absolutely shameless. And why Selphie and Rinoa specifically? Why not Quistis? Is she too old for him?? Is it the teacher vibes that he doesn't like??
God. We're truly getting a party made up of the characters of all time here. "Cowboy sniper horndog," what an archetype.
There's something about how straightforward Irvine is about being a little fuckboi that makes it hilarious, honestly. Like we've gotten our weirdo pervert characters before in Final Fantasy, but then Irvine just strolls in with the pretty boy meter maxed out and goes "hey hey ladies~" and somehow it works?
…needless to say, the fact that Irvine is a fully functional party member just like Rinoa only raises further questions on SeeD's alleged unique status as GF users. Like, if it was even something as simple as "anyone can use a GF with basic instructions, it's just that most people don't because of the supposed risks," you'd think it deserve some kind of mention. Rinoa or Irvine would have, like, at least one line of dialogue mentioning their use of GFs and Junction and whether they're worried about it or welcome the power boost, but no. This could have been almost completely avoided by not specifying that only Balamb Garden uses GFs, but we're not doing that either. Irvine joins the group and gets to Junction and use GFs just… Because he has to as a mechanical entity within this game's system, I guess.
It's frustrating because even if the game later brings up a narrative explanation for it, that's too late, it needs to at least show that it is aware that it's raising questions here and now. I don't need an explanation; I just need the game to tell me that this is in fact meant to be something that matters in-character, as opposed to just "it's mechanics, don't think about it." Because that just makes me think about it more.
My only guess/excuse is that at least Irvine, as a SeeD has presumably gotten the magic infusions/training/whatever that we've been informed Galbadia uses on their troops, so at the least he's got that going for him. GFs could really do with being better explained though, are they a person by person thing technically? Or does Squall just go "yo Ifrit I know you made a contract with me because I personally kicked your ass but here's a random untrained girl with a dog go work with her for a bit".
Okay, I think we may have found the answer to the question of how Galbadia Garden's graduates keep up with Balamb Garden's SeeDs despite not using GFs - they are a kind of mechanized infantry, with flight capabilities. That is certainly an interesting way to approach this.
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There's a number of areas that are sealed off to us as we are not Galbadia students, but we can explore a lot of neat places. For instance, Galbadia Garden has a whole sports complex with an ice rink!
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Then a car drives over from inside Galbadia Garden? Like, it literally appears from inside the university, driving through the atrium.
That's it. I am officially declaring Galbadia Garden to be The American Garden. Overcomplicated mechanical exoskeletons, cars everywhere, everything is way larger than it needs to be, and there's an ice hockey rink? It's American.
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Now the only need that would complete this picture would be if we received a new party member whose power is GUN.
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Oh my god. He admits it. He admits to being a fuckboy who needles people for no reason. Incredible. AND GUESS WHAT? HE NOT ONLY HAS A GUN, HE'S A FUCKING COWBOY. THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS COSPLAYING A TEXAN. GOD!
To everyone else, this is a total nonsequitur. Squall has been silent the entire time, he hasn't said one word since Quistis came in and informed them of Seifer's execution, suddenly blows up, screams about how he won't have anyone talk about him in the past tense, and storms out of the room to run off through Galbadia Garden, without a clear destination, no goal but to escape the shadow of what happened to Seifer - what might happen to him.
It's genuinely a really compelling moment for a character who's spent this whole time trying to avoid showing vulnerability only to just suddenly snap when confronted with his mortality. Squall is a teenager, and he is a soldier. One side of this equation lends itself to delusions of immortality, a conviction of his own invincibility, the idea that life is forever and he has all the time he ever needs to grow up and live. The other lends itself to constant confrontation with mortality and the risks that come with war, death striking senselessly and without resolve, out of nowhere. So far, he's been able to navigate that cognitive dissonance thanks to his skill - death isn't something that happens to him, it's something that happens to other people, the weaker soldier he defeats by the handful or the incompetent resistance members who don't have clear-eyed vision like he does.
Except Seifer was the strongest of them, the closest thing he might even have had to a role model in his own way, and now he's fucking dead, and it drives a wedge between those two questionably-reconciled parts of his identity.
It probably doesn't help that like… Everybody hated Seifer. And Squall knew this. And here is everyone, trying to find something nice to say, papering over who Seifer was with platitudes about how he was 'one of them', and now Squall is probably realizing:
The same thing will happen to him. He'll die, never having made a single friend, and everyone will take the messy problematic picture of 'who Squall was' and massage it into a more convenient, more acceptable memory, and put it on a shelf, and that'll be the long and short of him.
But in all seriousness you raise some very salient points. Honestly the aesthetics of teenagers going to battle-school has been done to death so many times that the feeling of these characters being teenagers still trying to figure themselves out can often be lost in the copying, and if there's one thing to be said about Squall it's that he totally feels like a 17-year-old. He's a seething mess of hormones and self-doubt who lives almost entirely in his own head because for one reason or another he decided that pretending to be okay is how everybody does it so he should too (insert Chainsaw Man 'he just like me fr' edit).
Then a car drives over from inside Galbadia Garden? Like, it literally appears from inside the university, driving through the atrium.
That's it. I am officially declaring Galbadia Garden to be The American Garden. Overcomplicated mechanical exoskeletons, cars everywhere, everything is way larger than it needs to be, and there's an ice hockey rink? It's American.
Now the only need that would complete this picture would be if we received a new party member whose power is GUN.
It's not American unless the roads inside the Garden are 8-lane uncrossable deathtraps, the food is full of sand and carcinogens, and potions are sold at a x100 markup.
Squall: "The orders say by mean of 'a sniper.' We have no one with that skill." Martine: "Don't worry about it. Let me introduce an elite sharpshooter from Galbadia Garden. Kinneas! Irvine Kinneas!"
One, something lost in screenshot form is that Irvine makes a fingergun 'firing' motion to dislodge the butterfly on his finger before he gets up, it's a cute little moment. Second
>sharpshooter
>weapons are all shotguns
do you think irvine is a sharpshooter in that he 'always' hits his target by hosing down the firing range with buckshot
Are they, really? Or is Irvine just screwing around and firing from the hip like The Rifleman because it makes him look cool? And, yes, actually hitting his targets because he's just that good.
. . this might be the worst final fantasy crossover I've ever seen. It's honestly kinda sickening to consider Tifa idolizing in-universe fictional story of ff8.
Are they, really? Or is Irvine just screwing around and firing from the hip like The Rifleman because it makes him look cool? And, yes, actually hitting his targets because he's just that good.
Technically one of them is referred to as a rifle in its description but they're all modelled clearly looking like shotguns and obviously his combat animations all stay the same. Of course this is muddied further by the fact that his guns all fire various types of ammo, one of which is 'Shotgun Ammo' which obviously all four guns can chamber, but that's not normal because 'Normal Ammo' is a different thing, and the moral of the story is that there's no sense getting lost in the reeds when he's clearly got a good ol side-by-side double-barrel in that FMV and his combat animations were all designed for that starter weapon first.
The other fun thing; weapon variety! Irvine, Zell, Quistis and Selphie all have four weapons total. Rinoa, main heroine that she obviously is, gets five. Squall? Seven. Protagonist favouritism at its finest.
I like @Omicron giving Irvine flack for picking the two women for party members as if Omi didn't do exactly the same thing in both FF7 and FF8 as soon as the opportunity presented itself
…needless to say, the fact that Irvine is a fully functional party member just like Rinoa only raises further questions on SeeD's alleged unique status as GF users.
So where does Irvine having the outfit of a Texan fit on the old "FFVII secretly takes place on earth/with earth societies having space traveled there"? I mean, we sure haven't seen an actual cowboy city yet.
The school installed a range with a fancy system that auto tallied accuracy by counting shots fired and comparing it to the number of hits on the target. Irvine realized how to game the system with a shotgun and has been riding high ever since.
The school installed a range with a fancy system that auto tallied accuracy by counting shots fired and comparing it to the number of hits on the target. Irvine realized how to game the system with a shotgun and has been riding high ever since.
Irvine boasts to all who will listen that nobody has ever been able to top his 800% shots-to-targets-hit accuracy rating. Squall, who has a 255% hit-rate with a sword, can do naught but seethe silently.
Also, in a funny gag that really utilizes the new complex character models, the SeeD members reflexively do stuff like salute, stand at attention, or relax when at rest, and every time Rinoa acts on a delay because she has no idea what she's supposed to be doing and has to follow after they do. I feel you, Rinoa.
…this may be the prettiest of our arrangement of pretty boys so far, damn. They really made him a full on bishie. Look at him. He's wearing eyeshadow. Also? A fuckboy. I can sense his fuckboy energies from here.
I love this. The sorceress is, as far as we know so far, a purely antagonistic force, yet there is something inherently murky to the business of a sniper assassination that casts our protagonists in shadow, even though they're ostensibly acting for the sake of 'world peace.' Or at least that's how Martine frames it - but of course, what use do mercenaries have for world peace? More like 'preventing Galbadian world domination,' ensuring the continuation of the international conflicts that bring them jobs and money.
I think this my first play of FF8 ends here. I don't remember exactly why. The save data got corrupted I think. I vaguely recall having to repeat from train heist again, and still unable to save further.
Its years later before I got around to experience the rest of FF8.
Student: "Have you heard about that hockey team made up of a bunch of monsters? We're gonna play them next week. To tell the truth, I'm kinda worried. Some guys told me that they play so rough that some of our guys might get killed."
…okay. So it turns out the Gerogero situation wasn't a fluke; there are monsters that are integrated within human society to the point of holding public positions in jobs like sports. Although even in that situation they are dangerous enough (lack self-control? Violent instincts?) that they're a threat to human players… But not so much of a threat that they're barred from participation.
It's really looking like Galbadia might be purposefully integrating monsters into its society, maybe as a result of the failures of their war effort and looking for an edge in the fight against the Gardens' elites. That's… Fascinating.
Yes! Monsters continue to be integrated into the narrative!
At this point I think it's safe to assume this is an intentional theme, so I'm looking forward to see where it's going. Hopefully, as mich as this game takes after FFIV, it manages to avoid the whole "everyone's got replaced by monsters, nobody's responsible for anything except Squall, who definitely did war crimes." We'll see, I guess.
Not sure if that fully tracks - what we've seen of Deling City when Laguna visited it gave it a strong "Paris" vibes, Dollet looks very mediterranean, and Timber also has a more eurpean-ish vibe.
Balamb feels like one of those islands in the Mediterranean; take your pick, there's, uh, quite a few to choose from.
That or it's the UK except with (somehow, miraculously, I'm looking out my window at clouds literally right this second) sunshine. I don't think it's a UK analogue, though, because Balam (the town) looks far too, you know, Mediterranean, architecture-wise.
It's strange because I fully remember that in the french version on PS1, it was Martine too. And all the websites I am looking put Martine in french. By looking deeply, it seems that the remaster has changed few names and Martine has became Martin.
As a bonus note : Martine is the name only in the french and english versions, it's Dodonna in japanese, and Dodonn in spanish, german and italian versions. The engilsh wikia supposes it's coming from the french translator named Jacques Martine.
The french version was not enough, french translators have to invade others versions !!
I like @Omicron giving Irvine flack for picking the two women for party members as if Omi didn't do exactly the same thing in both FF7 and FF8 as soon as the opportunity presented itself
So it turns out the Gerogero situation wasn't a fluke; there are monsters that are integrated within human society to the point of holding public positions in jobs like sports. Although even in that situation they are dangerous enough (lack self-control? Violent instincts?) that they're a threat to human players… But not so much of a threat that they're barred from participation.
It's really looking like Galbadia might be purposefully integrating monsters into its society, maybe as a result of the failures of their war effort and looking for an edge in the fight against the Gardens' elites. That's… Fascinating.
It's super interesting, yeah. It's the kind of thing that could carry a whole setting, and yet here it is seemingly tucked into the background, with an NPC worried about facing some orc hockey players.
This better be a Chekhov's Gun, or I'll be really disappointed.
…except of course Seifer isn't dead. That's the obvious mystery underlying all this. Not to get meta on us, but the fact that such an important character allegedly died off-screen without a last word or death scene would be weird enough if he wasn't plastered on the CD box cover and featured multiple times in the OP. So Galbadia is playing a hidden layer of the game here.
The same thing will happen to him. He'll die, never having made a single friend, and everyone will take the messy problematic picture of 'who Squall was' and massage it into a more convenient, more acceptable memory, and put it on a shelf, and that'll be the long and short of him.
The whole section is brilliant, but this stood out to me especially. It's such a raw realization for our poor brooding emo boy, and it's coming at him fast.
That's it. I am officially declaring Galbadia Garden to be The American Garden. Overcomplicated mechanical exoskeletons, cars everywhere, everything is way larger than it needs to be, and there's an ice hockey rink? It's American.
Now the only need that would complete this picture would be if we received a new party member whose power is GUN.