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tri2 said:
can there be a modifier which basically means anything we make can have a material substituted in its construction?
example: any engine we make does not need to be made with iron or steel as we can use another material as a substitute that still lets the engine work.
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Not... really? I'd say that it's still constrained by physics, but... magic. Swapping out for unusual materials is really just a part of the knowledge given by the charge in the first place. Like, if you wanted to build that engine out of wood, you could probably come up with something to treat it with so that it would be tougher and wouldn't combust, that sort of thing.

Oh I am slain! said:
Though, I'd still be ok with waiting till a future vote to decide on the initial charges to spend.
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That's fine.

Oh I am slain! said:
Perhaps with preference voting, since whichever charge plan that gets a plurality of votes might not have a majority support due to the many different options.
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That's... kind of why I was asking people to vote by plan, actually...

tri2 said:
Plan memory defense, no charge for now
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Well, so far you're winning, by virtue of being the only vote that counts so far...
 
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tri2 said:
can there be a modifier which basically means anything we make can have a material substituted in its construction?
example: any engine we make does not need to be made with iron or steel as we can use another material as a substitute that still lets the engine work.
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@tri2, that would either be metallurgy, or alchemy. Probably both.

Hrm... You might as well use three charges, one for calisthenics to give us something to start exercising with, without over taxing our deprived body thanks to Evildore. Oh wait, @Wilgar, is your Dumbledore Rowlings' evil bastard; or do you prescribe to the "she said he's a good guy" crowd? Well, either way, she conclusively points out in each book that the Dursleys barely feed Harry, in the opening chapters, each time. So yeah, we'll need to start improving our physical abilities slowly, add some basic self defense (Self Defense 1 ) just for general protection, and Nutrition to know what we need to start building our better body.
 
WCSII said:
Hrm...

@tri2, that would either be metallurgy, or alchemy. Probably both.

Hrm... You might as well use three charges, one for calisthenics to give us something to start exercising with, without over taxing our deprived body thanks to Evildore. Oh wait, @Wilgar, is your Dumbledore Rowlings' evil bastard; or do you prescribe to the "she said he's a good guy" crowd? Well, either way, she conclusively points out in each book that the Dursleys barely feed Harry, in the opening chapters, each time. So yeah, we'll need to start improving our physical abilities slowly, add some basic self defense (Self Defense 1 ) just for general protection, and Nutrition to know what we need to start building our better body.
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but do we really want to use our charges on those?
 
Do we want to be a scrawny midget all seven years? Plus there's probably a correlation to power base ability.
 
[X] Plan Tylonius

[] Iron Mind - Your mind is your own. You can throw off compulsion charms like they were nothing, and with practice and a lot of effort you could even shake off the Imperious Curse.
[] Powerhouse III - You possess significantly more magical potential than the average witch or wizard, roughly eight times as much.
-[] Powerhouse IV - You possess an incredible amount of magical potential, roughly sixteen times that of the average witch or wizard. When you grow into your full power you will stand with Dumbledore and Voldemort as an equal. (Requires Powerhouse III).

[] Combat Magic
[] Enchanting
[] Potions
[] Energy Sciences
[] Material Sciences

[] Efficiency
 
Um, Tylonius... Wilgar stated that we can "learn" any of the traits. This selection just gives us an immediate jump on getting them. Hence why I will be voting on Iron Mind, and the two enhanced memory options. I'm just arguing for using three charges to jump start our knowledge on gaining a better, healthier body. Unless we can somehow slip away from the Dursleys and get to the library to look up those disciplines.

@tri2, who said superscience. These charges can be used on any knowledge, even mundane. So unless you've got a plan to slip the Dursleys, frequently in August so that we can rush to the local library and pick up the basics for these disciplines there, we'll more than likely have to use three charges to gain this mundane knowledge. And unless this is completely AU Potter Verse, then no, this knowledge definitely won't be available at Hogwarts.
 
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Oh I am slain! said:
Haha, I meant that the charge plans themselves might be all over the place. There seems to at least be some consensus about the traits. Memory focus versus memory plus other traits.

[X] Plan memory defense, no charge for now
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Ah, I see. Well, I suppose we can do it like that when we get to it. And I have no problem with people waiting a turn to let Harry do some research, or even get to Hogwarts first. Being cautious with new, limited resources is entirely in character for early Harry, after all.

tri2 said:
@Wilgar natural occulemency/legimency traits?
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Minds Arts Prodigy.

WCSII said:
Oh wait, @Wilgar, is your Dumbledore Rowlings' evil bastard; or do you prescribe to the "she said he's a good guy" crowd?
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In character, you don't know. Out of character, I tend to see him as a horrendously overworked man being pulled twenty different directions, and things occasionally slip through the cracks. Even important things, like Harry.

In short, I think he's a man who's trying to be good and do the best he can for as many as he can, but sometimes falls short of the mark.

tri2 said:
but do we really want to use our charges on those?
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WCSII said:
Do we want to be a scrawny midget all seven years? Plus there's probably a correlation to power base ability.
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Some of what I'm seeing is too narrow of focus, and I will try to warn people of that if it comes up. Nutrition, for example, is covered by any number of wider disciplines, such as Biology, Medicine, Gastronomy (it's good and good for you!) and even Martial Arts. Martial Arts can also handle training yourself into better shape, since it will develop the art itself and all of the assorted things that go with it (Kata, training plans, diets, etc.)
 
Wilgar said:
In character, you don't know. Out of character, I tend to see him as a horrendously overworked man being pulled twenty different directions, and things occasionally slip through the cracks. Even important things, like Harry.

In short, I think he's a man who's trying to be good and do the best he can for as many as he can, but sometimes falls short of the mark.
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Oh good. That means I won't have to leave then quest at the first hint of "The Greater Good".
 
Wilgar said:
In character, you don't know. Out of character, I tend to see him as a horrendously overworked man being pulled twenty different directions, and things occasionally slip through the cracks. Even important things, like Harry.

In short, I think he's a man who's trying to be good and do the best he can for as many as he can, but sometimes falls short of the mark.
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*Sigh* and another Snape is a good man fanfictioner(It's the same mind set, I use the one to cover both) I won't rehash it, it's been covered, ad nauseum so. Welp, so long as you don't go out of your way to justify his stated, repeatedly, in the books, villainy; I could probably stomach a bumbling fool Dumbledore, and a bitchy spy Snape. But the first hint of using his other jobs to ignore Snape's behavior, Harry being bullied, and Harry's obvious familial troubles, then I'll have to bow out of the quest. Because he either paying attention to Harry when he gets to Hogwarts, or he isn't at Hogwarts to pay attention. He can't be interested and let blatant things literally happening under his nose happen and just say he's too busy. That way is "The Greater Good" line of thinking it is. Either he knows and acts on it, or he isn't aware and doesn't pay one iota of attention to Harry.
Wilgar said:
Some of what I'm seeing is too narrow of focus, and I will try to warn people of that if it comes up. Nutrition, for example, is covered by any number of wider disciplines, such as Biology, Medicine, Gastronomy (it's good and good for you!) and even Martial Arts. Martial Arts can also handle training yourself into better shape, since it will develop the art itself and all of the assorted things that go with it (Kata, training plans, diets, etc.)
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So we can reduce that to charges, Martial Arts, and Gastronomy to maximize the full potential of exercise, self defense and good eating?
 
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WCSII said:
another Snape is a good man fanfictioner
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here. I never said anything about Snape, just Dumbledore.

WCSII said:
So we can reduce that to charges, Martial Arts, and Gastronomy to maximize the full potential of exercise, self defense and good eating?
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You'd only need Martial Arts. Gastronomy was a joke, it's the science of what happen to food chemically when you cook it. You should still take it if you want to be the god of cookery, but other than that, leave it be.
 
Wilgar said:
You'd only need Martial Arts. Gastronomy was a joke, it's the science of what happen to food chemically when you cook it. You should still take it if you want to be the god of cookery, but other than that, leave it be.
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hmmmm, god of cookery....does potion making count under that?
 
tri2 said:
hmmmm, god of cookery....does potion making count under that?
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Nope. I'm working under the theory that there is significantly more to it than Snape bothered to show in the books. Well, I suppose rote, 'follow the recipe on the board' stuff might be okay for the simpler potions, but not if you want to innovate at all.
 
Wilgar said:
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here. I never said anything about Snape, just Dumbledore.
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I see people trying too hard to humanize Dumbledore as having the same mindset as those that try to humanize Snape, so I count them under the same topic. As I edited in my last post. Which coincidentally also has edited in that your vision of Dumbledore will either be paying attention to Harry and seeing how he's being treated at school, by Snape and others, and the obvious family issues, and does something about it. Or he doesn't have the slightest interest and thus completely ignores everything that happens to Harry in his school. He can't be interested, notice these things, and still do nothing about them, for that is the way of "The Greater Good". Which also means, that if this quest gets that far, should we manage to save our Godfather and he's innocent. Then Mr. Chief Warlock of the Wizengmot, and Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards can damn well get Sirius Black his veritas serum trial. Unless you can think of a valid reason the LEADER of those two Law making bodies, and the court of one of them wouldn't be able to demand one? Like I said, he either is a bumbling fool making up for his mistakes, or he's still playing the role of "The Greater Good" In short, you've set out to make an actual competent Dumbledore, now you'll have to rewrite much of the seven books to keep to it.

But I've gotten off track... do you think we should go as a Stephen Chow movie setting?
 
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Tough choices all the way around on this one. I'll wait and see but liking that first plan so far.

As for Dumbledore...the struggle is that was initially supposed to be a Children's story became a young adult series. Rowling established certain themes in the first book or so that get completely screwed up by the time you get to book 5/6. It goes from completely fantastical to establishing a world and rules for said world. Which wouldn't be an issue if Rowling had developed her world before writing the series.

One of the reasons Tolkien stands at the top is he created a world before even touching the stories in that world.
 
WCSII said:
I see people trying too hard to humanize Dumbledore as having the same mindset as those that try to humanize Snape,
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That's...basically canon though. So, fanfic writers and QMs end up having to navigate the inconsistencies as best as they can.

They shouldn't be obligated to choose a small bucket of plot points as the foundation and change the rest of the setting and plot to conform. Like, I can get why some people like a story to be completely internally consistent. I often feel that way too. And if they want to write a fic that explicitly tries to reduce inconsistencies, they're free to do so.

But remember: that's an extremely narrow metric for deriving enjoyment from a story, such that it would become difficult to enjoy any story, even the most acclaimed fiction out there. I bet we could make a list of the favorite pieces of fiction among everyone in this thread, and we probably could tear apart every single one of them for their many inconsistencies. Including Tolkien's works. :p

It seems like the QM has put some thought into this quest. See if you enjoy it first. And if you don't, that's just a mismatch of personal preferences. :)

Oh, and that's also not to say you're not allowed to go on tangents or voice complaints. After all, this post is a tangent going off of your tangent. ^_^

Anyway, I'm fine with any of the trait plans that go with at least Iron Mind + one memory trait.

As for charges, I'm also fine with voting now or later, though since this is still the first vote in which Harry just became a wizard, I haven't found any particular charge plan to be appealing yet.

Alternatively, we could choose to activate just one charge first, to give Harry something to focus on before heading to Hogwarts. Would any of y'all have a particular preference for what Harry could focus on if only spending a single charge for now?
 
I like the idea of a martial arts charge and then maybe one magical and one academic charge.

Save two for later as we learn more, but give us a solid base in Physical, mental, and magical

Edit: @Oh I am slain! Tolkien? Inconsistencies? What you talking about Willis?!?!?
Lol But yes.
 
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Oh, aye, a background is definitely desired before a story. Problem is, is that once Rowlings made that background starting around books 5 or 6, it retroactively applied to the previous books which were full of plot holes that only gets filled if you take it in light of eventually established back story. But that's something to debate in either vs. or debate forum. (yes, I'm one to talk, that's why I'm now trying to veer off from it)

Eh, while it would be prefered to take at least the physical ed charge now. I suppose we can wait and see if we can get to a local library to avoid using a charge for easy knowledge gains without the corporal punishment threat. And thus wait to plot out how to use our new physical education knowledge to find what we need to eat, and do necessary exercises in disguise of as chores. A general magical charge for theory to compliment our usually practicable skills might be a good secondary option, unless we can read, and memorize our textbooks; both magical and mundane.

If I understand the charges right, we simply get the basic understanding of an amature at whatever discipline we choose to use a charge on the first time (and only available to us now) All of which are attainable through hard study and general knowledgable acquisition of information on the topic(s) . So it's literally a question of results vs. expenditures. What knowledge do we want/need that we can't already easily get on our own?

To that end, I posit the Phys Ed (Martial Arts), and Researching (The art/skill of) for our charges. Along with Iron mind, and enhanced memory 1 and 2, personality traits. So as to rush through and absorb as much information as we can, and possibly manage "earned" trips to the library for more?
 
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[x] Dexterous II - You are very nimble and possess excellent hand-eye coordination and reflexes.

-[x] Dexterous III - You are faster than most people would believe, with hand-eye coordination and reflexes to match. (Requires Dexterous II).

[x] Silence is Golden - Is this Latin gibberish really necessary? You have a gift for casting spells silently. Learning to cast a spell without the incantation requires only a little more effort than with.

Really fast silently casting sounds usefull as hell.
 
[X] Plan Personal Powerbase

[] Powerhouse III - You possess significantly more magical potential than the average witch or wizard, roughly eight times as much.
-[] Powerhouse IV - You possess an incredible amount of magical potential, roughly sixteen times that of the average witch or wizard. When you grow into your full power you will stand with Dumbledore and Voldemort as an equal. (Requires Powerhouse III).
[] Enhanced Memory I - You'll find it much easier to recall things that you make an effort to memorize.
Powerhouse because more power is simple better and enhanced memory to help with learning.

[] Spend Charges
-[] Martial Arts
-[] Medicine
-[] Potions
-[] Transfiguration
-[] Enchanting
 
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