In the Name of Love and Hatred! [PMMM / LoR]
- Thread starter Naron
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See, there's narrative side to this were I have little to no problem with what happened. (Except for how the divide between character and player knowledge means that just about everyone knew this would work out, thus Ai still effectively saving the day by doing something on her own, namely activating her McGuffin that happened to take the form of summoning another entity.) Then there's the "A quest is ultimately an interaction and having any engagement with what's going on beyond pushing the very obviously signposted solution punished once things gets serious is boring" angle on things. So yeah, at that point I'm still going to mull other ideas for no other reason than to avoid boredom.
On the one hand, that's a much more sensible explanation of your take than I feel I have gotten so far and I appreciate that. On the other hand, it kinda flips my confusion with your argument around. Can you explain to me how Ai using the knowledge she has has gained from working with the others to form part of a support team that let's Madoka use her potential to overcome her feeling of being a burden in the face of a threat born from her qualify as being less cooperative than Ai activating a McGuffin .
And just to be clear, it's not that I don't see the themes there, it's just that letting Madoka save the day is more than just fighting to me so having you frame the difference that way evidently threw me for a loop. I dunno, maybe I should have put more effort into highlighting the themes there instead of considering them obvious?
Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
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Really, the foreshadowing about this was way back in the Nagisa fight when Express Train To Hell helped. We should have understood it meant that up is down left is right and all the abnos are now helpful.
...Somehow my brain thought it was just Homura summoning a freakin' train out of her shield. She has gas tankers and a battleship, why not a train? X.x
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This actually intersects with another of the considerations I had with this vote. Specifically, that people often try to bash their head through the wall instead of entertaining other solutions. "God stands before you" is not something that should be easily solvable by shooting God in the face. Mind, if there had been a good enough plan, I may have let it go through anyway. But that would have really depended.
In addition, you may want to consider that even while using the McGuffin, Ai still needed Madoka and her power to actually make use of what that gave her. That was important to me; without Madoka, there would have been no escape.
Of all the Abnormalities mentioned in the chapter. This one stuck with me the most, for some reason.
Grand.
Ok, I think I can....
...Or the QM can give a pretty good explanation of basically what I was thinking when the choice was given: that the quest had pretty clearly told us that fighting was not a winning move because our opponent was god, and that asking for help from someone Ai *knew* was there, One sin, was the solution, she did know she had his gift, even if she didn't remember exactly who it was from, so it was reasonable that she could think it could help.
Just like the way I finally managed to reach day 49 was to accept that 3 agents deaths was acceptable, and I finally met Adam, I stopped trying to bash my head without wounds, and accepted a small one to break that fucking wall. Also, Adam fucking rock and I want to follow his philosophy instead of the one that the game wants me to.
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[jk] Offer her Cheesed, he practically counts as cheese, right? There aren't that many differences in the letters, after all.
[X] Bombard Char at full power
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My own experience in Lobotomy Corporation was that, uh... a certain someone managed to unleash calamity on the facility. But through planning and some luck, I suddenly found her wandering near my last group of Agents with just a sliver of Health. So I beat her down. Of all my elite Agents, only 10 were left. Just enough to reassign exactly one per Department. So I equipped them with the best gear and kept going to the final day. It was an interesting experience, all in all.
Speaking of Warm-Hearted Woodsman, Hearts and Queen of Hatred I remembered this cute comic of QoH and Woodsman interaction (Ppodae is also there I guess).
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But, like… the "cheese" she wanted was Madoka, right? But we're pretty sure it was Madoka's absurd potential specifically. Which is to say, Kreimhild Gretchen. Is what she wanted to eat. I think this actually could work.[X] Offer her cheese again.
There is no way this can go wrong
[X] Offer her cheese again.
Go eat the Giant Enemy Cheese! Right in its weak point for massive damage!
You know I just realise that the entire quest to now we never need to loop once!
Also i really want to see homura react to this I mean this is something she never saw before and it's look like and endgame final battle I'm sure there must be some thought about that from pmmm cast
Also i really want to see homura react to this I mean this is something she never saw before and it's look like and endgame final battle I'm sure there must be some thought about that from pmmm cast
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Uh "just give up and become a monster" is very much in place during Ruina lol
A light shining in darkness.
I love it when people acknowledge that Ayin's basically the audience in the background now, appearing only when the actor comes off stage.
BadassOverlord
I don't know what I'm Doing
[X] Wipe out the familiars to distract Char with disposable bodies
Now that is an Avengers leve threat!
Now that is an Avengers leve threat!
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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I love it when the normals rise to the occasion. I really hope she lives, Ai would not have grown as she has without Hitomi and her family.
Sayaka bringing the HYPE. Seems encouraging her to keep at the music was the right call!
[X] Hit and run to learn the girl's powers
-[X] Don't just limit yourself to the girl and the witch. Learn how they might defend themselves, or how the girl and witch will use them. Don't assume they'll just stay below you.
Well, it seems I am in a far better situation than you, as I still have 28 elites, as for what happened, well, I tried to do the elevator trick to dodge, and was a little too slow but fast enough that only three died from it, then all the rest beat on her and her health melted from full to empty in 1 or 2 secs. I am now going to try day 49, well, first I'm going to see when the arbiter appears and if time is still going at normal speed, then I'll devise a strategy.
One of the things with how my facility is done is that I cannot have the kind of disaster you had, it would almost certainly make me reach the second trumpet, which means big bird's out, and since there would probably be at least one panicking agent, that means little bird would too, which means apocalypse bird, so, yeah.
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[X] Bombard Char at full power
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Alright, closing the votes here.
As an aside. I never got to mention this before for obvious reasons, but... do you remember when you had the option to keep Charlotte's Grief Seed? After tricking her with the thing she loves the most? Yeah, uh, you did well not doing that. Ai trying to make up with her after that stunt would have led to a cavalcade of deaths via munching; with Ai only getting out of Char's maw because the Witch starts napping sooner or later.
As an aside. I never got to mention this before for obvious reasons, but... do you remember when you had the option to keep Charlotte's Grief Seed? After tricking her with the thing she loves the most? Yeah, uh, you did well not doing that. Ai trying to make up with her after that stunt would have led to a cavalcade of deaths via munching; with Ai only getting out of Char's maw because the Witch starts napping sooner or later.
So, "offer her cheese again" was a great (read, terrible) idea, got it.
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I mean, it was a great idea. For turning that bit alone into a wrath-fueled, three-stage bossfight