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Hahahahah oh god.
I started writing something dumb for fun, then I wanted to try and write something with a PHO generator and wow what is wrong with me.
I wanted to push off the parts of Worm I didn't like, and then shit spiraled wildly out of of control into a crazy AU.
Anything massively wrong with my use of terms and statistics I blame on not having seriously studied either since highschool. Please inform me in the event that I drastically fucked up use of any of this terminology.
Immunodeficiency
noun
1.
a deficiency in or breakdown of a person's immune system
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♦Topic: So, what's the difference between a metahuman and a parahuman?
In: Boards ► General ► Parahuman
Knuckler12 (Original Poster)
So, what's the difference between a metahuman and a parahuman?
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► JammerSlammer
Dude, there's already an entire megathread dedicated to this shit, head on over to the tutorial board and read it before you go starting a thread.
► Killergram
Google's your friend, mate.
► Jetsetslide
Aren't they teaching this in school? I think I remember having to write a paper on it.
► Bitterbomber
There's no difference, they're both basically the same thing. Fucking weirdos. It's just splitting hairs.
► Galabrad
> Aren't they teaching this in school? I think I remember having to write a paper on it.
Jet, not everyone takes those AP classes.
> There's no difference, they're both basically the same thing. It's just splitting hairs.
And this is just plain misinformation. They're wildly different, and you know it.
► Samwisee17
One's a magic space brain tumor and one's a magic space gene.
► Kekarrot
... While hilariously dumbed down, this is about the right of it.
► MajorSnaker
OK, let me lay the smackdown of knowledge upon you.
In the 80's a golden weirdo appeared. Shortly thereafter, the first people with powers started cropping up. These were the first parahumans, but due to an ongoing war of terminology between research groups (Look up War Of Names sometime, it's kind of hilarious and also educational) there was debate on what they were going to be called. Now, the golden weirdo disappeared around the mid-80's, but no one's quite sure when. This is when the first metahumans start popping up, but people at first just thought they were more parahumans.
But then the researchers actually started noticing major differences between older and newer groups. Parahumans all had a magic space tumor, formally called a Corona Pollentia. But these new guys showing up didn't. Instead, as we eventually discovered, they had a weird string of junk DNA, which occasionally wildly mutated into crazy patterns. Now see, here we have another difference between the meta and the para.
Para's are bullshit, and can do incredibly crazy things. But no two paras are quite alike. Varying power levels, manton limits, power ratings, all this shit is crazy. And that's without taking in the weird-ass Thinker/Tinker groups in the equation. But they're all about as different as can be. And barring the occasional exception, what you see is what you get. A blaster can hit 9000 degrees, but that blaster can never get over 9000 degrees.
Meta's are patterns. Those crazy genes make about as much sense as those brain tumors, but each meta pattern is more or less the same. Like those fox phenotypes. They're all capable of using illusion stuff, can throw around a little fire, and if you see more tails they're generally tougher. The giant phenotype gets much broader than that, and depending on ancestry can manifest lots of other different traits. But they generally obey the pattern. The other stand out quality is that meta's can grow more powerful over time. Their abilities act like muscles, and if they're trained they can get stronger.
Anyway, back to the history lesson. For a while the two groups were lumped, because powers make zero fucking sense. Then the brainiacs in charge actually started noticing wild differences between the two, even as their own little para/meta naming war went on. So, they split the names. Brain tumors became known as parahumans, and the gene freaks became the metahumans.
The reason why people tend to have issues telling them apart is because unless you're a massive geek, then your biggest exposure to people with powers is the PRT and the Protectorate. Who, hilariously enough, are named for parahumans, despite also having lots of metahumans in their ranks. This isn't helped either by a certain well-known film featuring a parahuman with magnetism powers advocating that they were the next stage in human evolution because of their superior genes.
Because Hollywood directors can't be arsed to do basic research if it'd get in the way of a good story.
And because Fox New couldn't get it right if their lives depended on it, and they'll use the words interchangeably, continuing to misinform the general public.
► SirWakkaber
Well, that was pretty informative. Nice job as usual, Snake.
► Bibothor
What Snake forgot to mention is that despite the dumb naming war being a constant thing due to lots of people trying to publish at once, parahumans was the official word for both for awhile, and that's what gone into some legislation. It wasn't until Sakurai published The Mysterious Gene that the two being entirely different categories of super-powers really gained traction.
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► Zanewell
The difference is that anyone can be a para, and nobody cares as long as they put on a mask. But if you get flagged as a meta-potentiate it suddenly has to go on all your fucking papers. You have to go and register with the PRT, even if the genes are inactive. And that means that on every job application you have to write down that you might at one point develop powers, regardless of the fact that you might never do so at all.
► Galabrad
Whoa, dude. Take it over to the meta-legals thread. This isn't the place for it.
► MajorSnaker
Well, I'd say that this is another difference. So it is worth discussing. Basic statistics for parahuman potential are like, one in ten thousand. Of those, it's kind of a shot in the dark exactly how many do become fully fledged parahumans. The studies vary, but basically in a more stable area, the odds of parahuman development tend to be lower. Compare and contrast Brockton Bay with Minneapolis. There's comparable population, but the Bay's parahuman count is through the roof. And having a thicker concentration of parahumans means that, hilariously enough, more parahumans show up.
The jury's still out on just how many people have meta-potentiate genes, because we still don't know all the phenotypes yet. We're still discovering new ones every year, although it is tapering off a bit. But the big reason that there's a larger push for detection and registration of metahumans, is that more meta-potentiates are becoming active metahumans. This isn't a case of 'for every active parahuman there are two active metahumans', this a case of the numbers go up every year.
When meta's first started emerging, it was hard to get numbers because they got mixed together a lot. But research indicates that they were actually a LOT rarer than parahumans. Like, for every ten para's you'd get a meta. The numbers are more complicated than this, but let me put up some figures for you. In 1986, there were 187 confirmed metahuman emergences across the United States. In 1996, that number was 1,369. In 2006, it was 25, 483. Those aren't total population counts. Those are new emergences per year. Metas are becoming more common all the time.
Part of it is easier diagnosis. We know what we're looking for and can screen for it faster, easier, and cheaper. But part of it is also that more and more potentiates are becoming fully expressed metahumans at younger ages. The youngest metahuman in 1986 was 27 years old. That record dropped lower and lower every few years, until for a while it hovered around nine years old. Then the child of two expressed metahumans was born expressed and we had to toss the book out entirely.
Second generation parahumans don't even come close, what little of those we know about anyway.
► Girigan
Actually, that's probably why there's a bigger focus on metahuman studies in the academic fields than parahuman ones. A random lobe in your brain doing crazy shit is harder to gather datapoints on then your DNA having a few weird genomes. There's still a shit-ton of X-factors, but you can at least get some data on what's going on. Statistically, more parahumans becomes capes too. This means that it's a right pain in the ass to deal with all the NDA's needed to just start looking at the biology of a cape, let alone get a family history. Metahumans aren't as involved in the cape scene (though a fair share of them still are) so it's easier to get the data. More data, more patterns, more things to study. So, it gets more funding.
That's not to say para's don't get put under the microscope, but tinker-tech is mostly what gets dragged in there.
► Kelora
So if we know why the muties get powers, why can't we give them to everyone?
► Bibothor
First off, never call a meta a mutant. While correct from a certain point of view, it's a lot like calling a man an ape that happens to walk upright. Which is to say it's basically wrong and liable to get you punched if the wrong person hears you saying it.
Second off, we don't know how or why metahumans get their powers. We can identify and classify the traits of a phenotype, and pick out what genes they have that are really weird compared to a baseline human, but we don't know how all those weird genes add up to 'hydrokinesis'.
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I started writing something dumb for fun, then I wanted to try and write something with a PHO generator and wow what is wrong with me.
I wanted to push off the parts of Worm I didn't like, and then shit spiraled wildly out of of control into a crazy AU.
Anything massively wrong with my use of terms and statistics I blame on not having seriously studied either since highschool. Please inform me in the event that I drastically fucked up use of any of this terminology.
Immunodeficiency
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♦Topic: So, what's the difference between a metahuman and a parahuman?
In: Boards ► General ► Parahuman
Knuckler12 (Original Poster)
So, what's the difference between a metahuman and a parahuman?
(Showing Page 1 of 2)
► JammerSlammer
Dude, there's already an entire megathread dedicated to this shit, head on over to the tutorial board and read it before you go starting a thread.
► Killergram
Google's your friend, mate.
► Jetsetslide
Aren't they teaching this in school? I think I remember having to write a paper on it.
► Bitterbomber
There's no difference, they're both basically the same thing. Fucking weirdos. It's just splitting hairs.
► Galabrad
> Aren't they teaching this in school? I think I remember having to write a paper on it.
Jet, not everyone takes those AP classes.
> There's no difference, they're both basically the same thing. It's just splitting hairs.
And this is just plain misinformation. They're wildly different, and you know it.
► Samwisee17
One's a magic space brain tumor and one's a magic space gene.
► Kekarrot
... While hilariously dumbed down, this is about the right of it.
► MajorSnaker
OK, let me lay the smackdown of knowledge upon you.
In the 80's a golden weirdo appeared. Shortly thereafter, the first people with powers started cropping up. These were the first parahumans, but due to an ongoing war of terminology between research groups (Look up War Of Names sometime, it's kind of hilarious and also educational) there was debate on what they were going to be called. Now, the golden weirdo disappeared around the mid-80's, but no one's quite sure when. This is when the first metahumans start popping up, but people at first just thought they were more parahumans.
But then the researchers actually started noticing major differences between older and newer groups. Parahumans all had a magic space tumor, formally called a Corona Pollentia. But these new guys showing up didn't. Instead, as we eventually discovered, they had a weird string of junk DNA, which occasionally wildly mutated into crazy patterns. Now see, here we have another difference between the meta and the para.
Para's are bullshit, and can do incredibly crazy things. But no two paras are quite alike. Varying power levels, manton limits, power ratings, all this shit is crazy. And that's without taking in the weird-ass Thinker/Tinker groups in the equation. But they're all about as different as can be. And barring the occasional exception, what you see is what you get. A blaster can hit 9000 degrees, but that blaster can never get over 9000 degrees.
Meta's are patterns. Those crazy genes make about as much sense as those brain tumors, but each meta pattern is more or less the same. Like those fox phenotypes. They're all capable of using illusion stuff, can throw around a little fire, and if you see more tails they're generally tougher. The giant phenotype gets much broader than that, and depending on ancestry can manifest lots of other different traits. But they generally obey the pattern. The other stand out quality is that meta's can grow more powerful over time. Their abilities act like muscles, and if they're trained they can get stronger.
Anyway, back to the history lesson. For a while the two groups were lumped, because powers make zero fucking sense. Then the brainiacs in charge actually started noticing wild differences between the two, even as their own little para/meta naming war went on. So, they split the names. Brain tumors became known as parahumans, and the gene freaks became the metahumans.
The reason why people tend to have issues telling them apart is because unless you're a massive geek, then your biggest exposure to people with powers is the PRT and the Protectorate. Who, hilariously enough, are named for parahumans, despite also having lots of metahumans in their ranks. This isn't helped either by a certain well-known film featuring a parahuman with magnetism powers advocating that they were the next stage in human evolution because of their superior genes.
Because Hollywood directors can't be arsed to do basic research if it'd get in the way of a good story.
And because Fox New couldn't get it right if their lives depended on it, and they'll use the words interchangeably, continuing to misinform the general public.
► SirWakkaber
Well, that was pretty informative. Nice job as usual, Snake.
► Bibothor
What Snake forgot to mention is that despite the dumb naming war being a constant thing due to lots of people trying to publish at once, parahumans was the official word for both for awhile, and that's what gone into some legislation. It wasn't until Sakurai published The Mysterious Gene that the two being entirely different categories of super-powers really gained traction.
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► Zanewell
The difference is that anyone can be a para, and nobody cares as long as they put on a mask. But if you get flagged as a meta-potentiate it suddenly has to go on all your fucking papers. You have to go and register with the PRT, even if the genes are inactive. And that means that on every job application you have to write down that you might at one point develop powers, regardless of the fact that you might never do so at all.
► Galabrad
Whoa, dude. Take it over to the meta-legals thread. This isn't the place for it.
► MajorSnaker
Well, I'd say that this is another difference. So it is worth discussing. Basic statistics for parahuman potential are like, one in ten thousand. Of those, it's kind of a shot in the dark exactly how many do become fully fledged parahumans. The studies vary, but basically in a more stable area, the odds of parahuman development tend to be lower. Compare and contrast Brockton Bay with Minneapolis. There's comparable population, but the Bay's parahuman count is through the roof. And having a thicker concentration of parahumans means that, hilariously enough, more parahumans show up.
The jury's still out on just how many people have meta-potentiate genes, because we still don't know all the phenotypes yet. We're still discovering new ones every year, although it is tapering off a bit. But the big reason that there's a larger push for detection and registration of metahumans, is that more meta-potentiates are becoming active metahumans. This isn't a case of 'for every active parahuman there are two active metahumans', this a case of the numbers go up every year.
When meta's first started emerging, it was hard to get numbers because they got mixed together a lot. But research indicates that they were actually a LOT rarer than parahumans. Like, for every ten para's you'd get a meta. The numbers are more complicated than this, but let me put up some figures for you. In 1986, there were 187 confirmed metahuman emergences across the United States. In 1996, that number was 1,369. In 2006, it was 25, 483. Those aren't total population counts. Those are new emergences per year. Metas are becoming more common all the time.
Part of it is easier diagnosis. We know what we're looking for and can screen for it faster, easier, and cheaper. But part of it is also that more and more potentiates are becoming fully expressed metahumans at younger ages. The youngest metahuman in 1986 was 27 years old. That record dropped lower and lower every few years, until for a while it hovered around nine years old. Then the child of two expressed metahumans was born expressed and we had to toss the book out entirely.
Second generation parahumans don't even come close, what little of those we know about anyway.
► Girigan
Actually, that's probably why there's a bigger focus on metahuman studies in the academic fields than parahuman ones. A random lobe in your brain doing crazy shit is harder to gather datapoints on then your DNA having a few weird genomes. There's still a shit-ton of X-factors, but you can at least get some data on what's going on. Statistically, more parahumans becomes capes too. This means that it's a right pain in the ass to deal with all the NDA's needed to just start looking at the biology of a cape, let alone get a family history. Metahumans aren't as involved in the cape scene (though a fair share of them still are) so it's easier to get the data. More data, more patterns, more things to study. So, it gets more funding.
That's not to say para's don't get put under the microscope, but tinker-tech is mostly what gets dragged in there.
► Kelora
So if we know why the muties get powers, why can't we give them to everyone?
► Bibothor
First off, never call a meta a mutant. While correct from a certain point of view, it's a lot like calling a man an ape that happens to walk upright. Which is to say it's basically wrong and liable to get you punched if the wrong person hears you saying it.
Second off, we don't know how or why metahumans get their powers. We can identify and classify the traits of a phenotype, and pick out what genes they have that are really weird compared to a baseline human, but we don't know how all those weird genes add up to 'hydrokinesis'.
- Location
- Down Under
I came for the the Fluffytail tag but I can't find any .
OK, so.
Allow me to explain further just what this steaming pile of shit before you is about.
The space-whales arrive and do their thing. Eden dies.
Scion start the cycle, does his golden man thing for a few years, parahumans emerge... and then Scion dies as tiny local multi-dimensional beings put him out of commission like an invasive fungus putting a man into a coma. Scion's resulting comatose body becomes a breeding ground for the space-bacteria, who become fruitful, multiply, and end up back on lovely planet earth, where they bond to humans with certain genetic patterns and create metahumans.
In the end though, this is all an excuse to create a resurgance of fantasy races with fantasy powers.
Annette in this AU is a metahuman with an expressed fox phenotype gene sequence, while Taylor doesn't have hers active yet. The plot there is that PLOT happens, and then Taylor's fox phenotype expresses itself, along with a slight case of multiple personalities.
Accompanying this lovely story are themes examining troublesome issues like discrimination based on genetic profiling, the classic 'mutant' issues, and lots of cuddling.
Allow me to explain further just what this steaming pile of shit before you is about.
The space-whales arrive and do their thing. Eden dies.
Scion start the cycle, does his golden man thing for a few years, parahumans emerge... and then Scion dies as tiny local multi-dimensional beings put him out of commission like an invasive fungus putting a man into a coma. Scion's resulting comatose body becomes a breeding ground for the space-bacteria, who become fruitful, multiply, and end up back on lovely planet earth, where they bond to humans with certain genetic patterns and create metahumans.
In the end though, this is all an excuse to create a resurgance of fantasy races with fantasy powers.
Annette in this AU is a metahuman with an expressed fox phenotype gene sequence, while Taylor doesn't have hers active yet. The plot there is that PLOT happens, and then Taylor's fox phenotype expresses itself, along with a slight case of multiple personalities.
Accompanying this lovely story are themes examining troublesome issues like discrimination based on genetic profiling, the classic 'mutant' issues, and lots of cuddling.
Blackhole1
(Verified Spatial Anomaly)
So if Scion's already dead, that has the potential to change a lot. Does Cauldron know Scion is dead? If so, does the organization still exist? Do the Endbringers exist? Are their unstable triggers like what we see in Worm's epilogue? Is society still heading down the drain?
Scion's death is known by an organization that fulfills an oddly similar role to Cauldron, but the fact that the space-whales have no data on the space-bacteria (which lead to Scion's death via immunodeficiency) that are the source of metahumans means that they're still struggling to try and maintain order in different ways. I laid out the basic differences between metahumans and parahumans, but not the other hilarious differences emerging.
This organization is concerned with the fact that metahumans are becoming more and more populous, can grow more powerful over time, and with how stuff seems to be related genetically, that they might start seeing the emergence of metahuman dynasties.
Triggers aren't unstable, given that the space-bacteria are running Scion's corpse like a zombie, essentially tricking them into thinking that things are still operating all hunky-dory like.
And of course, while this really shouldn't directly butterfly away Endbringers, I'm ruling it does anyway. I'm not interested in writing a story about human decline in that way.
There's plenty of other mean things I can come up with to drive the plot forward that don't rely on kaiju written to dumb bullshit.
- Location
- Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
well that will teach him for not listening to war of the worlds before coming to earth, if he did he would know or bacteria are card carrying members of club badass for there alien killing skills:lol
- Location
- Australia
That was a pretty interesting little snippet. Some funky stuff going on it seems. Wonder who this being was that shanked Scion.
I did not notice the tag until it was pointed out, henceforth this story shall now be judged solely on the quality of the fluffy tails.
I did not notice the tag until it was pointed out, henceforth this story shall now be judged solely on the quality of the fluffy tails.
Scion wasn't so much shanked so much as he caught the space-whale version of a flesh-eating disease that happened to be incubating in the system.
Wolfund
{Verified Historian}
- Location
- France
And you went to resume the entire storyline of this story long before putting it into chapters.
So.
Tell me why I should bother riding the next 5 or 10 chapter and by the time you got here, continue? Because right now I was curious, then I read your snip and stopped caring.
Don't like it? Don't read it. Simple as that. I find this story interesting enough to give it a chance, might even wait for it to get a few chapters before coming back.
- Location
- Land of Blood and Glory
In what universe is explaining the point of divergence of an AU spoiling the whole story?
Emral282
The Fluffy Tail of Now and Forever
- Location
- Moon Cell
Is there any greater tag than Fluffy Tails?
Edit: Now that I think of it; without the Endbringers, Kyushu never sank which means that Lung had no reason to leave Japan. I wonder how different the Cape scene is in BB without the ABB?
Edit: Now that I think of it; without the Endbringers, Kyushu never sank which means that Lung had no reason to leave Japan. I wonder how different the Cape scene is in BB without the ABB?
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- Location
- Australia
Empire, maybe the Marque, possibly the Teeth? Whatever the Merchants were before they were they Merchants. But there were a lot of Asian gangs in BB apparently before Lung came along, probably be less here, but could still be some. Might get some other racially motivated gang to replace the ABB against the Empire.
- Location
- Elsewhere
They "Meta" away from human, then they "Para" away from being Metahuman... going back to human!
Next I will prove that two wrongs make a right!
Twei
I have a face!
- Location
- the land where they write things
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I want to watch you suffer. I mean, I want to see what you actually do in this lovely universe of yours.
Also probably one of the few really good PHO interludes. PHO prelude? Whatever. It worldbuilds and it's sufficiently funny and it explains why we somewhere-between-Shadowrun-and-Xmen now.
You. I like your honesty.
Is this the reference I think it is?
ecs05norway
Zenryoku Zenkai!
Hmm, so. Kitsune Taylor?
- Location
- Neptune
Then I'm sure you can explain to the rest of us how to know whether we will like a fic or not BEFORE reading it.
Are you being difficult on purpose?When you come across something you've never experienced before, to decide if you like it or not, you try it. There is, so far, one chapter to sample.
The way to determine if you like it or not is fairly simple:
Was there anything right off the bat that is a hard NO?
If not, was there anything about the story that really bugs you? Poor grammar and spelling could be excluded because the first chapter is a PHO page and poor grammar and spelling are a somewhat expected part of people posting on a forum.
Do you find something particularly annoying about the concept of the story that has been presented so far?
I'm sure other examples could be presented but you asked a dumb question. You have most likely read the first post/chapter and if you have read the author's note you have read a bit more (a sample perhaps?), your judgement is on what has been written. Based on your impressions you can decide if you're going to give the next post a chance or not. If not, then don't post that you don't like it, offer constructive criticism to help the author solve your issue.
Vox De Harlequin
Consequences are for other people
- Location
- Hyalean Theoric World
Well this seems interesting.
Though I do wish Taylor wasn't the protagnoist here.
I really honestly dislike her, and for me to enjoy myself reading her exploits it would have to practically be he in-name-only, in which case there's no reason to even have someone called Taylor as the protagnoist.
My whining aside, I'd just like to state my strong dislike of this whole 'meta-human registration' business, and my hopes that whoever the protagonist will be in the end will fight against the government vehemently as a result of it even being a thing.
Though I do wish Taylor wasn't the protagnoist here.
I really honestly dislike her, and for me to enjoy myself reading her exploits it would have to practically be he in-name-only, in which case there's no reason to even have someone called Taylor as the protagnoist.
My whining aside, I'd just like to state my strong dislike of this whole 'meta-human registration' business, and my hopes that whoever the protagonist will be in the end will fight against the government vehemently as a result of it even being a thing.
Twei
I have a face!
- Location
- the land where they write things
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The funny thing is, Worm's cape culture isn't really a stable state. I'm not sure if Wildbow explicitly said it? But without Cauldron or something like it, there wouldn't be the culture you see in canon. Either you get the Africa style of parahuman warlords (or a more clandestine version, like I think South America supposedly has?) or you have the X-men style of parahumans being feared and discriminated against. The flashy, cops-and-robbers-as-much-as-possible state of North American cape culture is a very, very artificial construction.
- Location
- Neptune
So then you admit that you cannot say whether you like it or not WITHOUT actually reading and that therefore your "don't like it, don't read it" is utterly nonsensical you you were shitposting. Thank you for admitting it.
When you come across something you've never experienced before, to decide if you like it or not, you try it. There is, so far, one chapter to sample.
The way to determine if you like it or not is fairly simple:
Was there anything right off the bat that is a hard NO?
If not, was there anything about the story that really bugs you? Poor grammar and spelling could be excluded because the first chapter is a PHO page and poor grammar and spelling are a somewhat expected part of people posting on a forum.
Do you find something particularly annoying about the concept of the story that has been presented so far?
I'm sure other examples could be presented but you asked a dumb question. You have most likely read the first post/chapter and if you have read the author's note you have read a bit more (a sample perhaps?), your judgement is on what has been written. Based on your impressions you can decide if you're going to give the next post a chance or not. If not, then don't post that you don't like it, offer constructive criticism to help the author solve your issue.
- Location
- Existance
He did. A lot of people forget that they were the only thing holding back a lot of problems. Through questionable means, possibly (lets not get into a morality '1 vs 100' style argument), but it's not like they had a lot of options.