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I'm Going To Need So Much Therapy [M:TG SI] [Nanoha]

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UberJJK said:
It's really not. First thing to remember is that Project Fate is based off the Artificial Mage project. A project which was declared illegal because it produced mages often displayed "underdeveloped intellect". What exactly that means is unclear but I figure it has got to be something along the lines of either brain damage or mental retardation since the side effects would have to be really serious for the whole thing to be made illegal.
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I always thought the process was illegal due to it being a process used to create sapient people for the express purpose of making them into mass producible living weapons.
 
kaazmiz said:
And just now we saw some TSAB "law enforcer" attacking a child, with no warning, that for all intents or purposes could be visiting a family tomb, or performing some religion related activities.
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It was a tomb sealed with magical barriers that had barred every attempt of entry for the last fifteen decades, and prominently displayed what they could tell was a Lost Logia.
Fate, Arf and Bardiche had basically broken into a nuclear missile silo and looted the place.
The TSAB Agent had fired before knowing who was there, only that they had bypassed wards strong enough to keep out the TSAB's best researchers.
But moving on.
Wasn't Precia sick the same way Alicia was, and by the time Fate is brought about she's long passed the point where she can be helped? I think this might be something that really pushed her past the ability to cope with anything.
Dying, with her work unfinished, and nobody to carry it on.
And in her own head, what should have worked perfectly, the symbol of the now failure, is prancing around merrily.
And then she failed to even do a proper device.
It can make some issues for the head, yeah?
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Alica died in an explosion, not an illness.
It was caused by a reactor meltdown at Precia's place of work. It destroyed most of a city, killing both Alicia and the family cat in the process.
Both she and Linith know that the Device issue was caused by an outside force preforming something similar to a dimensional transfer, as said in Chapter 2.
[Artificial Mage] in both cases was finished and perfected [in two different ways] by the two head scientists that lead the project (Testarossa, Scaglietti) while having NO support whatsoever and only the resources that the two scientists had through their wealth and connections.
In both cases the project evolved into something completely different, even barely resembling the initial concept.
And the results, both the Numbers, and Fate are in my opinion a great successes that deserve nothing less than applause.
In fact Nero should just ask Linith if they can make some more "failures" to keep Fate company, and swing it by Precia, to have more "mooks" to do stuff for her and compensate for their inadequacy.
And the first one should be named Destiny.
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Fate is the only living example of Precia's attempts to resurrect Alicia, the only other subjects we see are in containment tanks, and are at best in comas, at worst only kept alive by the machines.
[EDIT] Actually, Linith was a resurrection of the cat. So she has two successful rez's, but doesn't seem to be able to bring back the same one twice. Huh, thats more evidence for Fate being a proper resurrection I guess.[/EDIT]
For all we know she was only able to make Fate and then couldn't replicate the process.

The idea of more clones is one that may or may not be appearing though, depending on timeline issues.
 
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Nero200 said:
Actually, Linith was a resurrection of the cat. So she has two successful rez's, but doesn't seem to be able to bring back the same one twice. Huh, thats more evidence for Fate being a proper resurrection I guess.
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The family cat, aka. Linith...

She was badly hurt, and possibly biologically dead, but the familiar spell has to transcribe and significantly modify her brain-state in order to work; as this is known to heal even deadly wounds, it seems like the biological death matters less than information-theoretic death here. The same thing happened with Arf; she was a dying wolf cub before Fate chose to uplift her.

Though the whole affair with familiars is weird. The spell is, by any objective standard, far more complicated than what Precia did to resurrect Fate. Not just constructing a new body, but also rewriting their mind to uplift them, while still maintaining some degree of their original personality and memories. My headcanon is that it's tapping in to a metaspell that was written into the laws of physics by Al Hazard, somehow... that, or a very serious lost logia.
 
This is just a me trying to hammer the point even harder, so ignore if you don't feel like it.
It was a tomb sealed with magical barriers that had barred every attempt of entry for the last fifteen decades, and prominently displayed what they could tell was a Lost Logia.
Fate, Arf and Bardiche had basically broken into a nuclear missile silo and looted the place.
The TSAB Agent had fired before knowing who was there, only that they had bypassed wards strong enough to keep out the TSAB's best researchers.
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Why yes~~
Let's fire on this little girl that has either clearance or power levels sufficient to emulate Belkan or even Al-hazadian mages.
Why that is such a wonderful idea...

Didn't Alicia [by opinion of TSAB medical personnel...] die due to some sort of magical poisoning? The same thing that was bringing down Precia? Wasn't that why part of the resurrection plan call for putting her body in some sort of Time Stopping tube?

Fate is the only living example of Precia's attempts to resurrect Alicia, the only other subjects we see are in containment tanks, and are at best in comas, at worst only kept alive by the machines.
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I am a bad, BAD man. And i think i just spotted where our esteemed noobwalker will find temporary housing after he leaves Bardiche's form due to PLOT.
 
kaazmiz said:
This is just a me trying to hammer the point even harder, so ignore if you don't feel like it.
Why yes~~
Let's fire on this little girl that has either clearance or power levels sufficient to emulate Belkan or even Al-hazadian mages.
Why that is such a wonderful idea...

Didn't Alicia [by opinion of TSAB medical personnel...] die due to some sort of magical poisoning? The same thing that was bringing down Precia? Wasn't that why part of the resurrection plan call for putting her body in some sort of Time Stopping tube?


I am a bad, BAD man. And i think i just spotted where our esteemed noobwalker will find temporary housing after he leaves Bardiche's form due to PLOT.
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When he opened fire the first time, he used non-damaging binding spells, from a distance, before seeing who it was.
Surprise attack on the one who was that powerful.

Then he tried diplomacy, and she ran.

Nope, the explosion killed her.
Alicia appears in flashbacks in both The MOVIE 1st and The MOVIE 2nd A's. In this continuity, Alicia's death is revealed to be a result of a prototype energy generator meltdown that Presea was developing. Under pressure from her superiors to complete the project on time, Presea ignored safety regulations and when the reactor exploded, their house was inside the blast zone.
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Possibly, someone did bring that up in the SB thread, along with a few other body options.

Baughn said:
The family cat, aka. Linith...

She was badly hurt, and possibly biologically dead, but the familiar spell has to transcribe and significantly modify her brain-state in order to work; as this is known to heal even deadly wounds, it seems like the biological death matters less than information-theoretic death here. The same thing happened with Arf; she was a dying wolf cub before Fate chose to uplift her.

Though the whole affair with familiars is weird. The spell is, by any objective standard, far more complicated than what Precia did to resurrect Fate. Not just constructing a new body, but also rewriting their mind to uplift them, while still maintaining some degree of their original personality and memories. My headcanon is that it's tapping in to a metaspell that was written into the laws of physics by Al Hazard, somehow... that, or a very serious lost logia.
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As far as I remember, Linith was made a familiar after the resurrection, expressly in order to raise Fate.

Could have just been a clone I guess.

The Familiar thing is weird indeed, I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to run it.

Maybe a Walker spell that was adapted?
 
Nero200 said:
The Familiar thing is weird indeed, I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to run it.

Maybe a Walker spell that was adapted?
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Well, since pretty much the only examples we see of it are Arf, Linith and maybe Zaphira, it could easily be something that is exceedingly rare and tied to specific Lost Logia.

The closest we see besides them is Lutecia and Caro's summons, who are more like bound creatures than specifically enhanced familiars. Every other 'magical animal' we see is a construct of some variety.
 
Crazael said:
Well, since pretty much the only examples we see of it are Arf, Linith and maybe Zaphira, it could easily be something that is exceedingly rare and tied to specific Lost Logia.

The closest we see besides them is Lutecia and Caro's summons, who are more like bound creatures than specifically enhanced familiars. Every other 'magical animal' we see is a construct of some variety.
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Aren't Graham's catgirls familiars? And a good explanation for familiars' rarity is that they're such mana-sinks that only the very powerful can sustain them. Mages that powerful who are willing to sacrifice their power on a familiar are rare.
 
Crazael said:
Well, since pretty much the only examples we see of it are Arf, Linith and maybe Zaphira, it could easily be something that is exceedingly rare and tied to specific Lost Logia.
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The general from season 2 (the one who planned the entire thing) has two cat familiars. No one ever seems to be impressed or surprised at a familiars existence so they must be fairly common among high level mages.
 
pressea said:
Aren't Graham's catgirls familiars? And a good explanation for familiars' rarity is that they're such mana-sinks that only the very powerful can sustain them. Mages that powerful who are willing to sacrifice their power on a familiar are rare.
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Right. I completely forgot about the Lieze and Lotte.

Well, forgot they were familiars as we basically never see them in animal form.
 
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Read it through once more. I quite appreciate this story, parts of it are adorable, but more importantly there is something very interesting about what can basically be considered an infomorphic mage. I will keep reading as more comes into existence.
I do not trust that cat-lady.
 
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