Arafell
Verified Cephalon
- Location
- Oregon
Eden, without most of her core shards.
You know, I'm betting that's just an avatar. Most of Eden's main substance, including her ptv shard - and maybe Abaddon's PTV shard - has been cut out and experimented on. Granted, she probably has a lot of secondary shards that are still usable, but Eidolon's been nomming those for years.
You know, I'm betting that's just an avatar. Most of Eden's main substance, including her ptv shard - and maybe Abaddon's PTV shard - has been cut out and experimented on. Granted, she probably has a lot of secondary shards that are still usable, but Eidolon's been nomming those for years.
tomaO2
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I don't think Saint should have been sent to the Birdcage. Fear of an unleashed seed AI is valid, Richter wasn't wrong to have fail safes. Saint monitored the shit out of Dragon but I think it says something that he didn't kill her, because he recognized that she was doing good work. other then watching Dragon, what has he done that is, not just criminal but, birdcage worthy?
He's also addicted to that thinker juice he was given, that can't be good for his thinking process. I dunno, couldn't he be detoxed and shown that Dragon really isn't a threat after all?
No one ever gives Saint a redemption arc.
He's also addicted to that thinker juice he was given, that can't be good for his thinking process. I dunno, couldn't he be detoxed and shown that Dragon really isn't a threat after all?
No one ever gives Saint a redemption arc.
Rinn
Coffee Addict
- Location
- Cornfield County, Ohio
Redemption is for people who didn't murder off Humanity's best hope (at the time) for survival, and stand proudly, proclaiming what a wonderful thing he had done. Even at the end, he was willing to let everyone in every world die, just to assuage his own, misguided insecurities.
Saint, as written in Canon, will NEVER deserve any form of 'redemption'. At all. Ever.
Wasn't he influenced by Teacher? Also he's being punished for something he might have done at some point in the future. A bit strange.
And I never got why Canary gets to walk free and clear. Birdcage was overkill granted, but straight up "You did nothing wrong, that guy you mutilated by accident? Screw that guy he was probably a dick anyway". Really?
Very nice story though (personal dislike of Canary whitewashing aside).
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Rinn
Coffee Addict
- Location
- Cornfield County, Ohio
Yes, he was affected by Teacher. That is, about a decade before Canon. A decade which he spent with his finger on the trigger of Dragon's killswitch, waiting for the moment where he could pull it and scream out, "See! See! I told you Dragon was EBIL!"
Frankly, Teacher recruited Saint because of his outspoken views on AI. It's just that Teacher got 'Caged before they found Ascalon.
Rem
fite me
Saint was a goddamn hypocrite. Either he should have killed Dragon the instant he had the opportunity, or he should have let her be.
Instead, he used her for his own gains, becoming exactly what he feared she would become.
All humans have the potential for great evil. Perhaps not to the same extent as Dragon, but any competent person could, conceivably, carry out several murders and other atrocities. And yet, somehow, we all manage to get along.
Doing nothing 10 years under the effect of Teacher's power (well theft), but he MIGHT have killed one person at some point is not exactly a good justification for life imprisonment without parole regardless of how unlikable he is or how wrong you think his views are. I did laughed at the Bubba thing though
Honestly if I got godlike powers I like to think I'll be benevolent, but know deep down I'd probably also indulge in petty malice at some point, so who am I to judge.
- Location
- Australia
Saint was screwing over Dragon right then and there. Literally taking advantage of her safeguards, which prevented her from hurting innocents or allowing them to be hurt, to steal her tech and retro-engineer it into his suits.
As for Canary; she had a boyfriend. He cheated on her, then left her, telling her that she would never amount to anything. This is after she bought powers from Cauldron. Then, after she started to make it in the big time, he shows up just after she's done a huge concert, and tells her that she never would have made it without him, and demands half her earnings.
Is it any wonder she told him to go fuck himself?
And yes, he was a dick.
*frowns*
I don't think this should have been included.
There's something awesome about seeing most of Cauldron saying "Hell with it" and going on a beach vacation.
Ah, I love seeing Paige get freedom. Never gets old.
Uhhhhh, shit. Wrong power usage. Let's hope SI!Scion is a smooth talker and Eden is open to trying something other than the Cycle.
Funny chapter overall, @Ack .
Yes he was. Was being the correct phrase here
She still should be in jail. Not Birdcage, just your regular run of the mill jail and probably pay a hefty fine (. You don't get to go "he was a dick so it's ok", law doesn't work that way. Then again you have absolute power, not like someone can contradict you, what you say goes period.
I only have a vague idea of the USA justice system (or law in general) but a 1 minute google search got me this: The maximum penalty for the charge of reckless grievous bodily harm is 10 years imprisonment. Circumstances can reduce this but not make it disappear. He was human garbage is not one of those though.
Cauldron beach party best party?
Doing nothing 10 years under the effect of Teacher's power (well theft), but he MIGHT have killed one person at some point is not exactly a good justification for life imprisonment without parole regardless of how unlikable he is or how wrong you think his views are. I did laughed at the Bubba thing though
Honestly if I got godlike powers I like to think I'll be benevolent, but know deep down I'd probably also indulge in petty malice at some point, so who am I to judge.
Really? Many characters in Worm fandom benefit from whitewashing. Bonesaw, Skitter and Faultline just as the obvious examples. Canary doesn't fit with those.
In the story Bonesaw was mindwiped, there is no Skitter, only Taylor the victim, and Faultline is not mentioned.
- Location
- Australia
The only reason she was charged at all was that she (accidentally) used a Master power in an emotional moment. Three words.Yes he was. Was being the correct phrase here
She still should be in jail. Not Birdcage, just your regular run of the mill jail and probably pay a hefty fine (. You don't get to go "he was a dick so it's ok", law doesn't work that way. Then again you have absolute power, not like someone can contradict you, what you say goes period.
Public opinion did the rest. Because she had some slight resemblance to the Simurgh.
A good lawyer (which she DID NOT HAVE) could have brought down the charge to "accidental bodily harm", or whatever that is. She never used her power on him when he cheated on her, or when he left her. There was no premeditation involved; she used a phrase which countless people have used before her, and was not aware that he was under her power. Plus, there's an argument for his attempting to extort money from her.
A fine would have been plenty. A nominal jail term, reduced or even suspended, due to this being a first offence, and the fact that she was provoked, might have been called for. But the Birdcage? She was sent there. To die. The fact that she didn't was only due to Dragon (who also considered that she had been badly done by) assigning her to Lustrum's cell block.
- Location
- Australia
Actually, Taylor was Skitter, but it doesn't come up. (Note the reference to 'not in costume').
- Location
- Australia
What would you suggest to replace it, that would still suggest a Saint-worthy punishment?
Yes, yes there is.
Paige rather enjoys it too. Currently swimming laps in her bathtub.
We can hope.
Thanks.
- Location
- West Michigan
The most ironic punishment would be an extended stay in The Matrix, but I'm not sure there's a power for that.
- Location
- Australia
Heaven Canceler
I would like to have a cool title.
- Location
- Austria
Make him into Dragon's Assistant?
- Location
- West Michigan
Alternately, don't punish him at all. Indulge his delusions and send him to an expy of the Terminator universe.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You son of a bitch.
Mithrandir
Endurance and victory!
- Location
- Lighting the Blue Beacons.
I don't think Saint should have been sent to the Birdcage. Fear of an unleashed seed AI is valid, Richter wasn't wrong to have fail safes. Saint monitored the shit out of Dragon but I think it says something that he didn't kill her, because he recognized that she was doing good work. other then watching Dragon, what has he done that is, not just criminal but, birdcage worthy?
He's also addicted to that thinker juice he was given, that can't be good for his thinking process. I dunno, couldn't he be detoxed and shown that Dragon really isn't a threat after all?
No one ever gives Saint a redemption arc.
Try Cracked Mirror over on Spacebattles. Best. Saint. Ever.
Not quite redemption, but close enough.