They'd need living eggs. Or magic that can revive eggs. Certainly there are probably a few remaining here and there, but Dragonstone is now exhausted and it was probably the biggest single largest store left in the world. Many people are going to waste a lot of time in a vain attempt to hatch what are essentially pretty rocks.
I Am Fire, I am Death; or Why My Stannis Is The Best Human – ASOIAF/SI
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If it was that simple there would be dragons all over Essos after the Doom and until the Dance of Dragons. I don't think that merely Valyrian blood is enough, but blood from one of the forty dragon lord families. Either a Targaryen descendent or essosi nobility that can claim one of the other 39 as ancestor (the latter is rather unlikely to be true due the whole incest business). Granted there are still plenty of candidates, after the Targaryens scattered their seed all over the place. There are Blackfires, Martells, Velaryons, Brightflames (depending on little Maegor), the descendents of bastards and lost Targaryens. Their dragon riding potential will probably depend on how many generations has passed from their Targaryen ancestor and genetic luck.
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There's also pretty much the entirety of the Volantene high nobility, everyone inside the Black Wall, is of the higher stratas of Valyrian society, maybe not Dragonlords all, but the blood does run thick there still.
That said, these are slaver nations, if there is a reliable way again to hatch dragons, they'll send people in the Eye of Terror (Read = Valyria) to try and find Eggs.
That said, these are slaver nations, if there is a reliable way again to hatch dragons, they'll send people in the Eye of Terror (Read = Valyria) to try and find Eggs.
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If a Targaryen bleeding over a egg was all it took to get dragons they would not have died out. I doubt their is going to be a mass upsurge in dragons no matter how hard they try. Going into the Doom is not going to get any results, everyone has already tried and failed for centuries. Just throwing guys at the problem has been useless no matter how hard they tried. Euron managed it but he has so much plot armor it's absurd. Still the political balance of the Realms is screwed straight to hell, the new ruling family are basically on the way to being unbeatable. Tywin rebelling if Cersei gets found out just became a lot more unlikely, Robert could just have a few flying WMDs burn their way to the Rock.
notanautomaton
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Correct. They died out because someone killed all the Targaryian dragons.
Silveraith
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This i only possible a decade from now as it'll take that long for the dragons to grow large enough to be capable of threatening an arm, rather then just a really big flying horse.
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It's not the dragon's physical abilities beyond flight that is the real threat, it's the steel melting magical fire breath.
Silveraith
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Which is only possible for a mature dragon.
Oh I am slain!
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Dragon fire can't melt steel beams! ^_^
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If it's Targaryen blood + dragonfire then the lack of success through the ages is a bit more plausible. No matter how pure your blood is, without the fire breath component you can't get your own murderbeast. And if you control the only dragons you control the means to make more (beyond hoarding the eggs, which are more easily stolen and are found in Asshai as well).
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Explain how the first dragon egg i Valyria hatched or how Stannis hatched his.
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Literally three people know it, and it's the equivalent of the nuclear launch codes. That's not a secret that simply gets out.
And if you need dragons to hatch dragons, there will be a slight problem with that "everyone gets a Dragon".
Harrenhal was an inside job.
Magic.
Daenerys hatching her three was pretty much a fucking miracle, that's WoG. If all it took is someone with Valyrian blood, a pyre and a few petrified eggs people would have succeeded long ago.
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Your first question enters into the same territory as "Who came first, the egg or the chicken?" My guess would be a primitive dragon used its breath and bodily fluids to hatch its offspring. Or maybe an ancient wizard crossbred a firewyrm with a wyvern. As for Orys, whoever or whatever gave him speech and the memories of a human is also responsible for his unconventional birth.
Silveraith
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Daenarys used a magic-user as a living sacrifice to restore her dragons (life for life) and the blood of Valyria present in her infant son. Not really a miracle.
Far more likely dragons existed prior to Valyria but didn't get widespread until humans began to tame and breed them for war. Still doesn't explain how Stannis hatched his.
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It's a SI fic, rarely does one of those explain how the situation came to be (beyond ROB did it). Personally, I don't particularly care. As long as that sort of unexplained mystery/divine intervention doesn't happen again I'm fine with it, for the sake of the story's premise's existence. Unless the author have a plausible explanation, of course.
Well...they didnt have trouble hatching them. It was just that something was causing the eggs' corruption and only spawned forth miserable little cat sized beasts that died shortly after. I'm thinking they gave up trying at some point (especially as that point was the King who hated Dragons) and then the other Targs just didn't remember the how/why of it all. Because if you lack Dragonfire, you might substitute lotsa sacrificial magic.
Did Baelor the Nutter happen before or after the Aegon who hated Dragons? That would go a long way to explaining why they just didn't know/bothered anymore. The payoff was shitty.
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I can't help but think someone would have taken the fire and blood thing literally if they were searching for the lost arts of egg hatching. Maybe have dragon fire, except for the SI because magic, be the only fire that can hatch a egg?
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After. Aegon's son in fact. If sacrificial fire/blood magic is a viable substitute to dragon fire, that knowledge could have faded away way before the, supposedly, dragon hating Aegon. While the Dragon Lords of old were apparently great sorcerers, we only have Visenya to name as a possible magic practitioner (and even then with little evidence, every unliked beautiful foreign woman is accused of being a sorceress at some point).
I'm partial to the theory of either; 'Faceless men exploded an unhatched Dragonegg and unleashed all the potential energy inside it' or the 'Valyrian political infighting lead to too many skilled sorcerers dying and unable to maintain the fourteen volcanos and their magics'
The latter would explain why 99% of all the Dragons were in the Valyrian peninsula. Some sort of civil war was going on and all hands were on deck. Save for the exiled Targaryens (You don't get a name like The Exiled for following the 'dreams' of a mad daughter) and that one dude from Norvos who immediately after the Doom decided to go exploring the peninsula with his only Dragon.
SneakyWalrus
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I hope that, when the assorted Baratheon Dragons get older, they armoured them up fully, complete with a helmet-like thingy, with sharp, spiked Stag Antlers. Mostly because it'd be a neat difference between 'Targaryen' and 'Baratheon' dragons, but also with the ability to gore any other potential dragons in close combat.
Another question: would people be upset with a timeskip for an entire year? I'd rather get done with the prologue and get into the meat of the story (as its already been 12k words). It would skip the entire 'why can't my Dragon's talk!!' bit, but they'd all be a decent size and we'd start with Robert returning to Dragonstone from his monthly trip to King's Landing to sign shit. (and his Dragon pestering Orys about when his Human is coming back/Orys stopping Argillac from just flying to King's Landing etc).
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Ideas?
I wouldn't mind. I mean. As long as you give a good recap then I think we'd be good.
Droman
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Oh, I do rather like that.