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Hunger (Frozen/Disney Dark Fantasy AU)

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Shadowhisker said:
I've always been of the opinion that humanity is a state of mind. It doesn't matter what blood runs through your veins, or if you even have blood (or veins). As long as you believe yourself to be human, you are human.

And last I checked, being human is conductive to a good mental state.


Not entirely sure what She is, but She seems to like us. And that's good enough for me.
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I agree.

[X] [Humanity] Are still Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Are still Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
-[X] Maybe there are fish in the river? If so you could try catching them with ice magic.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
-[X] Maybe there are fish in the river? If so you could try catching them with ice magic.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
Just because we acknowledge we aren't human doesn't mean we have to change the way we act, and it doesn't mean we're not able to empathize and care for others. If nothing else, I think choosing that option leaves more doors open for the future.

[x] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[x] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Are still Human.
[X] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[x] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
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[x] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Are still Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
Adhoc vote count started by Jrin on Jan 16, 2018 at 11:09 PM, finished with 2189 posts and 31 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Jrin on Jan 19, 2018 at 6:22 AM, finished with 2196 posts and 33 votes.
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[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human
We're definetely something crazy, but that doesn't mean we're not a person too.

[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
-[X] Maybe there are fish in the river? If so you could try catching them with ice magic.

[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
-[X] Maybe there are fish in the river? If so you could try catching them with ice magic.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[X] [Humanity] Are still Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
[x] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[x] [Next?] Feed him corpses you "purify"
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.

Why are people saying ghat you need to be human to be a person? That you need to be human to have a healthy mindstate? Because it sounds to me like youre saying anything non-human and intelligent must obviously not be a person or have any sort of healthy or viable mindset if they dont think like us. And I really have to disagree.

Elsa isn't human, thats been made drastically clear over this fic and this last chapter in specific. Denying the truth does nothing but make her lie to herself about her very existence. And that will do much more harm than acknowledging her differences and accepting her past.
 
Kairae said:
Why are people saying ghat you need to be human to be a person? That you need to be human to have a healthy mindstate? Because it sounds to me like youre saying anything non-human and intelligent must obviously not be a person or have any sort of healthy or viable mindset if they dont think like us. And I really have to disagree.

Elsa isn't human, thats been made drastically clear over this fic and this last chapter in specific. Denying the truth does nothing but make her lie to herself about her very existence. And that will do much more harm than acknowledging her differences and accepting her past.
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Because it would be helpful if Elsa keeps empathizing with humans and behaving in manners they consider acceptable. Mentally alienating herself is not going to help with that.
 
FullNothingness said:
Because it would be helpful if Elsa keeps empathizing with humans and behaving in manners they consider acceptable. Mentally alienating herself is not going to help with that.
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Youre making alot of assumptions there.

That Elsa will lose any and all empathy with the realisation shes not human (although seeing how Humans treat almost everything else I can understand that one), again there no actual indication this will happen, and seeing as I doubt Elsa will suddenly lose all feeling for her family I heavily doubt it will ever happen completely or to an extent that shes isolated. Hell her family dont act very human/normal alot of the time anyway, Elsa would need to change in a drastic way to stand out too much there.

That if she does lose her empathy she will go around alienating other peope and herself, which seems lie a bit if a jump. Alot of people have very different view points. You dont even realise alot of the time since they dont bring these things up and if they do its once youre close and can accept these things. Theres not much difference here. Unless youre afraid that Elsa suddenly gains some tentacles or outer mutation that will let everyone know shes accepted shes not human at all (and rememeber that we already know difimitely that there are other species in this world, do you think they are all completely devoid of empathy and personality?).

And finally a last assumption is that Elsa even needs the same kind of social interactions as (most) humans do or that it would afffect her in negative ways to have different ones. She could be one of those people who simply prefers her family to others, or one of those people who prefers not to get involved with too many people. Neither is a bad thing. And we have plenty of people like that ourself in our world.

Plus with a Royal Family like ours whos going to notice and complain abiut these oddities? Because I think ifthey would complain they would already be doing so. Anna and Mother arent the most normal of people.

... and as a last thought, with so many different races out there who's to say that Elsa cant find compantionship ith them? That forcing herself to think like a human even thiugh she isnt one migh not be so helpful when shes both not one and lives in a world consisting of more.

Tbh I also just like the idea as a whole. So obviously I'm biased. Still, like you I'm entitled to my opinion and vote. And I really think this acceptance is the ealtier route for Elsa ans one of the more interesting choices for the quest as a whole. We/Elsa cant keep pretending to be something we're not forever. And it will only hurt us if we keep putting this off for further and further down the line when we have less chances to adopt and learn about ourself.

Sry for the massive amount of text. I just kind started writing and didn't realise it was anywhere near this long. I'll try to keep things rather concise if I need to say somehting again. I just find the forum medium makes me much more verbose than usual as it kind of encourages/ allows you to get out everything relevant at once rather than just a little.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't Human.
[X] [Next?] Look around in this area for something you can feed him.
[X] [Her] Yes. This might not be mother, but She wants to protect you.
 
Kairae said:
Youre making alot of assumptions there.

That Elsa will lose any and all empathy with the realisation shes not human (although seeing how Humans treat almost everything else I can understand that one), again there no actual indication this will happen, and seeing as I doubt Elsa will suddenly lose all feeling for her family I heavily doubt it will ever happen completely or to an extent that shes isolated. Hell her family dont act very human/normal alot of the time anyway, Elsa would need to change in a drastic way to stand out too much there.

That if she does lose her empathy she will go around alienating other peope and herself, which seems lie a bit if a jump. Alot of people have very different view points. You dont even realise alot of the time since they dont bring these things up and if they do its once youre close and can accept these things. Theres not much difference here. Unless youre afraid that Elsa suddenly gains some tentacles or outer mutation that will let everyone know shes accepted shes not human at all (and rememeber that we already know difimitely that there are other species in this world, do you think they are all completely devoid of empathy and personality?).

And finally a last assumption is that Elsa even needs the same kind of social interactions as (most) humans do or that it would afffect her in negative ways to have different ones. She could be one of those people who simply prefers her family to others, or one of those people who prefers not to get involved with too many people. Neither is a bad thing. And we have plenty of people like that ourself in our world.

Plus with a Royal Family like ours whos going to notice and complain abiut these oddities? Because I think ifthey would complain they would already be doing so. Anna and Mother arent the most normal of people.

... and as a last thought, with so many different races out there who's to say that Elsa cant find compantionship ith them? That forcing herself to think like a human even thiugh she isnt one migh not be so helpful when shes both not one and lives in a world consisting of more.

Tbh I also just like the idea as a whole. So obviously I'm biased. Still, like you I'm entitled to my opinion and vote. And I really think this acceptance is the ealtier route for Elsa ans one of the more interesting choices for the quest as a whole. We/Elsa cant keep pretending to be something we're not forever. And it will only hurt us if we keep putting this off for further and further down the line when we have less chances to adopt and learn about ourself.

Sry for the massive amount of text. I just kind started writing and didn't realise it was anywhere near this long. I'll try to keep things rather concise if I need to say somehting again. I just find the forum medium makes me much more verbose than usual as it kind of encourages/ allows you to get out everything relevant at once rather than just a little.
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In part it is a mechanical thing... We tend to get traits from decisions like this. The choice "no we aren't human" is IMO fairly likely to cause further penalties to connecting to humans. And given that we live with humans, are expected to interact with more humans and that our allies are mostly humans I find that a bad plan.
 
[X] [Humanity] Aren't completely Human.

Which is honestly, the truth. Not completely human, but human by enough. By actions, by emotions, by familly ties and shared love. It's more correct to say, that Elas's body is not human. But herself? That's another matter.

[X] [Her] Yes, this is mother.
 
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