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Let's not get crazy here, his Stand I believe needs the most work to learn properly.
I mean, that has to be the drawback or else The World Over Heaven can eat his heart out already.
 
Wait then that means rica's stand is miracles, which basically makes her a discount oudo able to control electricity in people's nerves.
 
Did you know that if you took a look at [Red Garland]'s move list from the game, you'll also realise that it's an evolving type Stand as well, in the vein of Koichi's Echoes.

Then there's also the fact that the power to literally punch the soul?

That's [Red Garland Requiem]'s ability.
 
shibosho said:
Did you know that if you took a look at [Red Garland]'s move list from the game, you'll also realise that it's an evolving type Stand as well, in the vein of Koichi's Echoes.

Then there's also the fact that the power to literally punch the soul?

That's [Red Garland Requiem]'s ability.
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Eh, I subscribe to the school of thought that in order to put forward a Requiem Stand idea, you have to put forward the desires of the person using it at the time, which seems to have been something present in both of the Requiem stands in some way.
 
vicent said:
Wait then that means rica's stand is miracles, which basically makes her a discount oudo able to control electricity in people's nerves.
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A discount Oudo? Ahahaha...It's not completely right, but also not completely wrong. It's linked to how Stands and Abnormalities related to each other: in a word, the details.

universalperson said:
Prediction: One of the members turns out to be a Stand-user. Nekomi gets even more confused.
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Nah, not yet.

shibosho said:
Did you know that if you took a look at [Red Garland]'s move list from the game, you'll also realise that it's an evolving type Stand as well, in the vein of Koichi's Echoes.

Then there's also the fact that the power to literally punch the soul?

That's [Red Garland Requiem]'s ability.
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If you ask me, the writers just couldn't think of better names for different attacks. This Red Garland can do all of that already.
 
Alexander89 said:
A discount Oudo? Ahahaha...It's not completely right, but also not completely wrong. It's linked to how Stands and Abnormalities related to each other: in a word, the details.
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From what I recall, Oudo's ability is to control the electrical signals that interferes with his target's motor skill plus he's also a discount electromaster. However, [MIRACLES]' ability, according to the 7 stand user wiki, is to use bioelectricity to control the subconscious. It can make the user invisible to others and induce hallucinated pain.

Now compared to Oudo's ability which he uses to control people's actions directly, Rica is far more dangerous and insidious. Considering she can control the subconscious, this means that she can mess with subconscious body functions such as a person's breathing and even stop their heartbeat. The whole hallucinate induced pain? She can trick the mind into thinking you're on fire, getting electrocuted, freezing and more from screwing with what I assume is the body's pain sensors.

Hell, people Oudo controls know they are being controlled but can't resist it unless you're badass like Zenkichi. Rica however makes it so that you don't even realise you're being control even as you try to hit someone only to find yourself missing and even stopping your blow when it's an inch away from hitting due to your subconscious wanting to not hit your target thus making you unconsciously not hit your target.

In game, Miracles isn' t the best stand for combat. In the Jojo universe and by extension this one however, Miracles and the ability to control the subconscious would be incredibly overpowered.

Miracles being a discount Oudo? Bitch please, that Gilgamesh wannabe got absolutely nothing on Rica and her stand, [MIRACLES]. If we're playing up the subconscious control angle here, then Rica's easily one of Zenkichi's strongest assets/minion/friend/pseudo-family member/whatever she is to him.
 
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shibosho said:
From what I recall, Oudo's ability is to control the electrical signals that interferes with his target's motor skill plus he's also a discount electromaster. However, [MIRACLES]' ability, according to the 7 stand user wiki, is to use bioelectricity to control the subconscious. It can make the user invisible to others and induce hallucinated pain.

Now compared to Oudo's ability which he uses to control people's actions directly, Rica is far more dangerous and insidious. Considering she can control the subconscious, this means that she can mess with subconscious body functions such as a person's breathing and even stop their heartbeat. The whole hallucinate induced pain? She can trick the mind into thinking you're on fire, getting electrocuted, freezing and more from screwing with what I assume is the body's pain sensors.

Hell, people Oudo controls know they are being controlled but can't resist it unless you're badass like Zenkichi. Rica however makes it so that you don't even realise you're being control even as you try to hit someone only to find yourself missing and even stopping your blow when it's an inch away from hitting due to your subconscious wanting to not hit your target thus making you unconsciously not hit your target.

In game, Miracles isn' t the best stand for combat. In the Jojo universe and by extension this one however, Miracles and the ability to control the subconscious would be incredibly overpowered.

Miracles being a discount Oudo? Bitch please, that Gilgamesh wannabe got absolutely nothing on Rica and her stand, [MIRACLES]. If we're playing up the subconscious control angle here, then Rica's easily one of Zenkichi's strongest assets/minion/friend/pseudo-family member/whatever she is to him.
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So she's basically Koishi from Touhou? Except she can control it? That's freaking terrifying if used right since you'll never know there's something TO fight until after everything is already said and done with.

She can make you do some of the craziest things and you'll do it until after her control is gone and you wonder how the fuck you got in said position in the first place.
 
Still have no fuckin clue what rammstein does. I may be not familiar with music but I'm pretty sure it's a German Neue Deutsche Härte band. Edit: never mind, apparently someone made a description for a fan made stand known as Rammstein, apparently it allows the user to alter the molecular structure of their body.
 
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In game, Miracles isn' t the best stand for combat. In the Jojo universe and by extension this one however, Miracles and the ability to control the subconscious would be incredibly overpowered.
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Indeed, in game The 7th Stand User, a lot of the stands aren't at their optimal uses due to the RPG format. Take Sonic Youth, my favorite stand in the game, for example. In game, its used as a de/buffer with some wind spells put in. Its description, however, gives it what is basically sonic manipulation as a skill. It can do the shockblast thing like the assassins from Kung Fu Hustle, locate dudes with echolocation, even hypnotize people. Its a stand that's kinda meh for the game but would be fucking KILLER if revealed in the Jojo universe without the shackles of the RPG system.
 
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Analysis of Stands from 7th Stand User - Part 1
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    • Ardion Prosili said:
    Indeed, in game The 7th Stand User, a lot of the stands aren't at their optimal uses due to the RPG format. Take Sonic Youth, my favorite stand in the game, for example. In game, its used as a de/buffer with some wind spells put in. Its description, however, gives it what is basically sonic manipulation as a skill. It can do the shockblast thing like the assassins from Kung Fu Hustle, locate dudes with echolocation, even hypnotize people. Its a stand that's kinda meh for the game but would be fucking KILLER if revealed in the Jojo universe without the shackles of the RPG system.
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    You're right about that. If it wasn't for the limitations of the game system, a couple of stands in 7th Stand User would have made a good deal of the plot trivial. Since we're talking about the stands in the game and how they would really be like outside the boundaries of the game, let's take a look at them.

    「RED GARLAND」

    Okay since Red Garland is someone's stand in the quest, we've already gone over what it can do and what it means in reality outside the game but for the sake of this analysis, let's go over everything again. Red Garland is a stand similar to Star Platinum, in that they are both close-range power type stands. However, Red Garland is actually stronger than Star Platinum, capable of tearing itself out of Yellow Temperance when Star Platinum could not. Unfortunately, it is nowhere near as precise or as fast as Star platinum.

    That doesn't matter though since unlike Star Platinum who has regular punches that do regular damage, Red Garland is capable of punching so hard that he actually does damage on a conceptual level, allow him to hurt the mind and the soul with his punches. Like Star Platinum, being a close range combat stand means that Red Garland is going to be right in the front lines during battles and his relatively poor range means that his opponent has to be fairly close or else he can't punch them into oblivion.

    Of course, being as powerful as he is, plus taking Alexander's off-hand comment about how Sugar can punch holes through walls with just the air pressure from his punches, it's safe to say that Red Garland has ways of dealing. All in all, Red Garland and his power to punch the mind, body, and soul all at once makes him a powerful contender. Hope that you never have him as an enemy.

    「HOWLIN' WOLF」

    Howlin' Wolf is a beast-like stand in the form of a cyborg wolf. It can howl to unleash powerful shockwaves as well as do damage with its claws and fangs. Pretty much in line with the stands in Stardust Crusaders in that a lot of the early stands had more combat-oriented abilities rather than the more esoteric and ability-specific stands that the later series had that required creative thinking to use to their full potential. Its ability to fire off powerful shockwaves by howling is probably sound-based or just sheer air pressure or something along those lines.

    As a wolf-like stand, it acts very much like a wolf and it can apparently speak with other canines. Oh and it's apparently big enough that the user can ride it. Would be kinda hilarious to see that in action. Stand users see a guy riding a wolf while normal people see someone flying through the air. Still, as a power-type stand that can attack effectively from any range, Howlin' Wolf is a strong stand from a combat point of view. Dealing with the weirder kind of stands would require creative thinking but I could say that about all other stands.

    「OCEAN BLUE」

    Ocean Blue is another battle-oriented stand that is able to charge its user's bodily fluids and fire them as off as projectiles. When touched, these shots create an impact not unlike being punches by a powerful Stand. Pretty gross if you think about it using saliva, sweat, snot and urine. Cooler if you think of it using blood. Not sure how it actually works. Does it take the fluids out of the user directly or does the user need to produce said fluids first? Probably the latter which would make scenes involving the user very awkward when they need some emergency ammunition.

    Since it can use blood as well to attack, it means that the more injured its user gets (Or bloodied since being beaten black and blue doesn't necessarily cause you to bleed externally), the stand gains more fluids to use for a counter-attack. In a way, this stand is a high risk, high reward kind of stand. Sure, you could sweat up a storm, mace yourself to force out tears and snot, but blood is easily accessible with a sharp pointy object or just biting yourself really hard.

    In any case, considering that it uses body fluids to attack and nothing else, the user would be at major risk of dehydration and anemia. It's kinda limited if you compare it with other stands in the jojoverse. But being able to attack your enemies from afar by shooting them with your snot and drool is a pretty funny thought.

    「THE JOYKILLER」

    Next up on 7th Stand user's Stand List is The Joykiller, yet another battle-oriented stand. (Seriously, now that I've taken a look, a lot of stands in 7th Stand User are battle-oriented types with straight forward abilities, understandable due to it being an RPG game.) As you can see, Joykiller looks like Jason from Friday 13th. Its ability to make things rot gradually by chopping at them with its axe does little to dissuade the idea that this guy is a nice and friendly stand.

    Its strength isn't anything to get excited about that's not what you should be worrying about. What you should be worried about is the fact that its axe can phase through objects and cleanly slice through anything regardless of how hard it is, meaning that blocking is the worst thing to do if you had to fight this fellow. Oh, and if you look closely, that's not an axe-hand. It's just holding it so it can also fucking throw the decay inducing axe at you as well. Plus it also apparently carries a chainsaw somewhere as well. So in Jojoverse, it would be a pretty tough opponent or at least something you wouldn't want to fight without a plan.

    May or may not be able to "rot the earth" and thus cause plants to grow rapidly like Emukae-chan.

    「SONIC YOUTH」

    Since Ardion talked about how Sonic Youth would be OP in reality, I'll just say that I agree with him. Sonic Manipulation by itself is incredibly powerful already. Being able to launch sound blades, sonic shockwaves, and even keep track of everyone with echolocation makes Sonic Youth a very potent stand. Throw in hypnosis and that makes it even scarier.

    Of course, it has a blaring weakness in that it needs to play a specific melody to do a certain effect. So the best way to fight it would be to break its guitar so that it can't play your funeral song. Sonic Youth would be cool in that you can get it to play BGM whenever you want. Though there is just one thing that's bugging me though. While I know that stands can only be seen by other stand users, I've always wondered if stands can only be heard by other stand users?

    In any case, Sonic Youth got my approval as an all-round stand with both utility and combat capabilities.

    「WILDHEART」

    Here we have Wildheart, a long-range stand. The best way to describe Wildheart is that it's essentially a werewolf that goes after your enemies, whether you want it to or not. Also large enough to ride on, Wildheart according to the fluff description has a mind of its own and is apparently crazy fast as well. To normal people, it's a really fast invisible werewolf that's going to rip and tear you to shreds and will pursue you relentlessly. To stand users....It's a really fast werewolf that's going to rip and tear you to shred and will pursue you relentlessly.

    Just think of it as Wolverine. An invisible, super-fast Wolverine that will go after your enemies the moment it spots them. Since it has a mind of its own, you should be able to talk to it but since it isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, good luck trying. Being more beast than man, your best bet would be to treat Wildheart like any dog that you want to get friendly with.

    It can send out an Automatic Stand in the style of Killer Queen's Sheer Heart Attack, if you were to take its move in the game, Endless, Nameless that debuff's the enemy's stats, does SP damage, and inflict Wildheart's character specific debuff, Eagle which does continuous damage for several turns while lower hit rate as well. This is one dog that you hope its users has on a good leash.

    And I'm hungry and got stuff to do so I'll continue this 7th Stand User Stand analysis that I've randomly started doing later.
     
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    • vicent said:
    Still have no fuckin clue what rammstein does. I may be not familiar with music but I'm pretty sure it's a German Neue Deutsche Härte band. Edit: never mind, apparently someone made a description for a fan made stand known as Rammstein, apparently it allows the user to alter the molecular structure of their body.
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    Nah, the name is the same but the design is my own. Suffice to say, I'm very proud of its Jojo-ish design.
     
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    While I know that stands can only be seen by other stand users, I've always wondered if stands can only be heard by other stand users?
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    Well, didn't the tailor who sewed the button on Yoshikage Kira's jacket hear the Sheer Heart Attack (LOOK OVER HERE!) coming? Although it could have also been him just looking at what's making the feeling of treads on his skin. Anyway, I'd say they can be heard on the logic that the heat from Magician's Red could be felt by non-stand users. The effect there, the flame, was stand energy so it couldn't be seen but the result of hot air could be felt by everyone. Similarly, as sound is just vibration of air, the result of a stand playing an instrument made of stand energy can be heard by non-stand users.

    And please, do continue that list! At least until you cover my favorites, Specials and Quicksilver!
     
    Hmm... Rica's Stand can control even subconscious electric signals.

    She can literally give people Sheer Heart Attacks.

    She's a bonafide Killer Queen. :D
     
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    Analysis of Stands from 7th Stand User - Part 2
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    • Welp, just finished dinner so let's continue on with Shibosho's 7th Stand User Stand Analysis!

    「DEEP PURPLE」

    Right, so here we have is the short-range control type stand Deep Purple. The in-game description says that this stand is made out of smoke, and can manipulate atmospheric density. It can poison the air around it, change the air pressure, and detonate hydrogen and oxygen particles. Damn, even just considering the air pressure/density manipulation by itself, that'd be tough to handle.

    Even the small changes in air pressure can affect a human body and with Deep Purple's high precision, you can bet your ass that the changes won't be small. Imagine being able to catch your enemies in a vacuum or firing off a bullet of pressurised air to explode in their faces. This guy can do what Stray Cat can and a whole lot more. With the ability to actually detonate oxygen and hydrogen particles, Deep Purple can do a very good Killer Queen/Stray Cat Combo impression. Not only that, by manipulation the air pressure, it can manipulate the weather in a very local area.

    And that's not even getting into the fact that it can fucking turn the air into poison gas, sleeping gas and flammable gas. Fortunately, its range is short so its danger becomes limited. If you get into its range however...well, you've got problems.

    「PIXIES」

    Next up, we have is Pixies. Now Pixies is actually the tree but it can manifest its energy into these tiny fairy-like entities. Now with these fairies or 'pixies', it can invade small objects, living or otherwise, and take control of them. Now that would be really terrifying if it wasn't for the fact that these pixies can only invade objects the size of a small child - that and the more pixies that the user manifest, the weaker and harder the control becomes. The tree part of the stand is also capable of using its roots to control the earth.

    Being able to control small objects has a lot of uses and the fact it can extend to living things is also something to consider. You essential get telekinesis that usable on small objects. You can become an earth-bender with this stand and In-game, Pixies does have a lot of earth-elemental attacks. Interestingly enough, it can learn moves that allow it to inflict status effects such as Berserk, Confusion, and Sleep on pretty much any enemy that are vulnerable to them. This suggests that Pixies can affect larger targets but not outright control them.

    So be wary of Pixies, it's a tree that will fill you up with tiny floating entities that will fuck you up.

    「MIRACLES」

    And now for one the Stands that you all already knew and love, it's Miracles! Now as mentioned before, Miracles is considered to be one of the weaker stands in the 7th Stand User Game. However, that is only from a game perspective since the Stand's full potential could not be fully explored within the restraints of an RPGmaker game. The truth of the matter is that Miracles is in fact extremely powerful and dangerous, even by regular Jojo standards. The power to manipulate the subconscious is absolutely nothing to laugh about, in fact you should all be god damn terrified and wetting your pants. The in-game description says that Miracles can make the user invisible as well as induce hallucinated pain.

    What Miracles actually does is force other people to subconsciously ignore the user and their actions and probably anyone that the user decides to include in this IGNORE ME field. And when it causes enemies to hallucinate pain, Miracles is actually affecting the synapses and neurotransmitters in the body in order to simulate the sensation of burning, to such a degree that the body react as if it actually were burning. That may sound impossible until you remember that Weather Report from Stone Ocean can turn people into snails through the subliminal messages so causing actual damage the same way isn't so farfetched.

    Being able to hurt people by tricking their bodies into doing so is scary but then there's the fact that you're also controlling the subconscious. You all heard the situation where someone 'subconsciously' held back their strongest attack, or 'subconsciously' made their attack miss, or 'subconsciously' got in the way of an attack. Well thanks to Miracles, you can make your enemy do those things as well! Essentially, Miracles can take control of a person's subconscious and change their behaviour. Early in 7th Stand User, you can use Miracles to control the subconscious of cat to make it behave and stop running away from its owner. Since you can do the same to normal people, Miracles is much more horrifying than the game makes it out to be.

    Then there's the fact that being able to control the subconscious also means that you can control the autonomic nervous system. That means you can control a person's breathing, heartbeat, and bowel movements. Even if it's partial control, you can seriously mess up a person.

    All in all, Miracles, even by the insane standards of the Jojo universe, ignoring Stands such as The World over Heaver, Made in Heaven, Requiems and other time bullshit stands, is one of the most overpowered Stands to have ever existed.

    「NAPALM DEATH」

    And now we come to the Special Type of Stands that are playable in 7th Stand User. First up is the close-range Napalm Death. This Stand, according to the game's description, takes the form of a calligraphy pen that uses the alphabet as bombs and napalm as ink. In other words, you write stuff and what you write explodes - the literal writing, not the subject of whatever you're writing about. The bigger your writing, the bigger the explosion. You can also set time bombs up as well with a limit of ten seconds using this stand. Apparently, as the user grows in experience, the repertoire of words that Napalm Death uses expands as well. I assume that writing certain words alters what kind of explosion judging by that fluff.

    This Stand is the kind of stand that you'd expect from Jojo part 4 and beyond. Lacking in utility and durability, this stand compensate by being highly destructive because, you know, explosions. Not much to say about Napalm death except for the fact that it can learn how to rewind time. In-game, Napalm Death learns a move called Time Bomb which rewinds time back to day 1 of the game at the cost of 20 levels. Not sure how this would translate in reality but I'd say that the strain of rewinding time takes a lot out of the user.

    This stand is pretty much an unholy combination of Rohan, Koichi, and Kira's stands put together. Use with care, stand user.

    「CARPENTERS」

    Let's me introduce to you all to Carpenters, the next special-type stand on my analysis list. This stand, like its namesake, is capable of using carpenter tools in order to remodel and disassemble anything, living or otherwise. To simply put it, this guy can take apart a living person without killing them and remake them stronger and better than before and it is more than capable of doing the opposite as well. It can 'fix' injuries, remodel an enemy so that it becomes weaker or remodel an ally to make them stronger. It can also use its tools to hurt an enemy as well - said tools includes: Wrench, Nailgun, Hammer, Chainsaw, High Voltage, Diamond Cutter, and a Road Roller. Yes, the same kind as the one DIO uses. In-game, this remodelling ability was limited to buffs and debuff as well as turning cheap items into better items (Though with a high chance of failure and destroying said item). It's not very strong and it isn't the most precise of Stands but it's fairly fast.

    By Jojoverse standards, Carpenters would a very interesting stand as it is capable of remodelling anything to suits its user's needs. It can heal people by repairing their damage. Fix objects or just change them into something else. Carpenters would be Naze Youka's wet dream with how it can simply remodel a person into a much more powerful version of themselves with hardly any trouble.

    I'd say that the way Carpenters does it stuff is the same way Marii Yukari, a character from a manga called Qualia the Purple (Go read it, it's fairly short but a good read), who sees all living things as robots, can save people by using mechanical parts, dismantle them (Cutting them up which would be the equivalent of cutting someone up for anyone else's eyes) without even any bleeding and change the programming in their brain, even as their head is still very much alive and capable of speaking. This image is probably the best way to describe the process.
    So Carpenters is another Stand that would be rather powerful by Jojo standards outside the game. Now onto the next Stand!

    「QUICKSILVER」

    Wanna be like megaman and shoot stuff out of an arm cannon? Well, with Quicksilver as your stand, you now can! As you can see, Quicksilver is a stand that appears on its user's arm. It can convert minerals into Stand Power and blast it at its foes, like a battery that uses metal as fuel. It is also detachable and it is the very epitome of a Glass Cannon. Since it's attached to the user most of the time, the user has to rely on their own physical abilities in order to defend against attack from their enemies.

    In-game, you can use Scrap Metal to fill up your SP. However, it's worth mentioning that when you're buying scrap metal, you're actually buying broken appliances, old tv sets and the likes. Taking that fact into account, one can safely assume that rather than using just minerals to fuel its attacks, Quicksilver is actually able to take pretty much any kind of junk and use that to fuel its energy blasts. From the in-game moves that Quicksilver has, you can see that this Stand can also fire off elemental attacks - Fire, Ice, Water, Electric, Air, Light, and even Poison can be shot from the barrel of this weapon. It can also absorb the iron in a human body as fuel as well. Most of its attacks take the forms of rays, lasers, beams and its strongest attack is a Wave Motion Gun.

    This very straightforward Combat Stand has some impressive offensive capabilities. Unfortunately, it's usually the more esoteric stands that win the day in this age. Still, Quicksilver is nothing to laugh about as it's still a goddamn energy cannon on your arm. Center the targer, pull the trigger, Stand User.


    And I'm gonna take a short break and continue after I've had a cup of tea and a chance to rest my eyes.
     
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    • shibosho said:
    In-game, you can use Scrap Metal to fill up your SP. However, it's worth mentioning that when you're buying scrap metal, you're actually buying broken appliances, old tv sets and the likes. Taking that fact into account, one can safely assume that rather than using just minerals to fuel its attacks, Quicksilver is actually able to take pretty much any kind of junk and use that to fuel its energy blasts. From the in-game moves that Quicksilver has, you can see that this Stand can also fire off elemental attacks - Fire, Ice, Water, Electric, Air, Light, and even Poison can be shot from the barrel of this weapon. It can also absorb the iron in a human body as fuel as well. Most of its attacks take the forms of rays, lasers, beams and its strongest attack is a Wave Motion Gun.
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    rather then junk
    wouldn't all this mean that it can use pretty much any inorganic material as bullet
    heck since it can use energy base attack it mean the user can use the ambient light around them as bullet
     
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