Halkegenia Online Thread 7: "Arrun Noir"

iamnuff said:
Hell, forget a Maid Cafe, even in a strip-club, the punters aren't allowed to touch the dancers.
If a dancer booted a punter who touched her, rather than call in security, she'd likely be the one in trouble too.

Think of the the inn as more like one of those hostess bars. Looking is fine, but touching isn't permitted. If a patron steps out of line, then the bouncer, Scarron in this case, takes care of matters.

If you have the hostesses assaulting patrons, the very mechanic used to draw people in, then the inn's reputation suffers, and business goes down the toilet.

As for the unruly customers, they're also the most stingy of the lot. Would you put the greenhorn in charge of your most valued customers? What kind of business sense is that?

If the waitress/hostess/etc has the temperament to deal with the rowdier crowd without going off the handle, then she gets to move on to the more generous patrons. Why risk alienating the people with big purses on an untested newbie who might, and did, punch a customer?
 
artanis00 said:
I can't say I like these snips. It feels like you've just dropped Shiori into it because you could, and not because he would actually fall in love with Recon. Remember, it's "one man in three female bodies,"* not "one woman in three bodies."**

Beyond that, while I think it's unlikely Shiori won't be interested in sex, you've failed to adequately explain why he'd want to have sex with Recon. Lacking even that, it is impossible to see how he'd be okay with being multipregnant.

Maybe it could happen. But hopefully the path to that kind of character development won't be "lobotomize the male part." Shiori's rather unique back story deserves much more than that.

Basically, I think you've criminally flanderized Shiori.

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* all you guys get your minds out of the gutter.
** that includes you, too, Caramella.
I do recall the original Shiori stuff making clear that Shiori was borderline transexual to begin with, having no attachment to his sex and adapting to the gender change portion with the least difficulty.

Everything else in your post is built off that first assumption that Shiori, a guy playing as three female cat girls, was a heteronormative male.

As for relationships, they're both loyal to the core, socially maladjusted and playing shadowy types. There's a pretty good basis for these two/four meeting and hitting it off.
 
Mega1987 said:
Me: AHHHH!!!!.... *finishes injecting some insulin.* Man! You just made every man's dream came true with KoKo the cat maid
Hmm... that makes me think of Kirito's reaction when he finds out:

Kirito: "Hey Asuna, you know how Agil has been after you to work for him?"

Asuna: "Hmm?"

Kirito: "Well, I've come up with an alternative. I just heard that Koko got a job in the Charming Fairy Inn - maybe you could join her?"

<Kirito gives Asuna his *type 1 grin*, drooling at the thought of her in a maid outfit>

Asuna: "You know, Ki~ri~to~, I've heard all about that Inn too! FROM LOUISE!!"

*bam*

<Asuna gives Kirito her *type 1 fist of doom*, projecting Kirito across the room into the opposite wall>

Yui (looking at Kirito): You deserved that one, papa!

Edit: I didn't think I'd need to add this, but... [/jk]
Maybe my other posts are too serious?o_O
 
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Anzer'ke said:
I do recall the original Shiori stuff making clear that Shiori was borderline transexual to begin with, having no attachment to his sex and adapting to the gender change portion with the least difficulty.

Everything else in your post is built off that first assumption that Shiori, a guy playing as three female cat girls, was a heteronormative male.

As for relationships, they're both loyal to the core, socially maladjusted and playing shadowy types. There's a pretty good basis for these two/four meeting and hitting it off.
Thank you.
 
aightaight2 said:
Hmm... that makes me think of Kirito's reaction when he finds out:

Kirito: "Hey Asuna, you know how Agil has been after you to work for him?"

Asuna: "Hmm?"

Kirito: "Well, I've come up with an alternative. I just heard that Koko got a job in the Charming Fairy Inn - maybe you could join her?"

[Kirito gives Asuna his *type 1 grin*, drooling at the thought of her in a maid outfit]

Asuna: "You know, Ki~ri~to~, I've heard all about that Inn too! FROM LOUISE!!"

*bam*

[Asuna gives Kirito her *type 1 fist of doom*, projecting Kirito across the room into the opposite wall]

Yui (looking at Kirito): You deserved that one, papa!
I'm not sure Kirito would appreciate Asuna in a maid outfit more than the sandwich she is serving him.

Edit: Also, Asuna's reaction there seems stereotypical, and I don't like stereotypes.
 
Inverness said:
I'm not sure Kirito would appreciate Asuna in a maid outfit more than the sandwich she is serving him.

Edit: Also, Asuna's reaction there seems stereotypical, and I don't like stereotypes.
Gotta disagree with the "not appreciate Asuna in a maid outfit" part. Seeing his wife in a sexy outfit probably would be something he would enjoy.

Though I do agree on the stereotype reaction part. Now banishing him to the couch or withholding sandwiches...
 
It is also out of character for Kirito to be "indulging" in his hormones simply because he is young. Listening to his "lust" simply isn't in his personality. If it was his "theoretical harem" of girls who all fell for him would be an "actual harem" in the canon universe.

If Asuna shows up wearing the maid's outfit I could see Kirito's mind slipping a few gears ("blood flow to higher reasoning centers has been diverted") but he wouldn't be the one to put her in said outfit.

Edit: typo
 
^ That's the truth.

Not to say the guy doesn't react. Hell, look at what happened when Sakuya and Alicia screwed with him. :D
 
«Don't Worry, it's Cattleya's Question and Answer Time!»

Another NPC presenter comes on to the stage, dressed in a khaki shirt and shorts. Behind him, sitting on one side of a long table in the middle of the stage, are the usual suspects - Argo, Kirito, Leafa and Silica. A vacant chair is left open next to Silica.

"G'day girls and boys of the Forum! Today we've got an extra-special episode of «Question and Answer Time» for you! Today's show is gonna be chock-a-block with critters, and Argo has even arranged for a special guest to come in and give you all the goss. That's right, we're gonna look at some common misconceptions about Faerie traits! Please, put your hands together fo…"

-Cue an interruption from the back of the audience. The camera swings towards a small pixie girl wearing a yellow dress and a tall, pointed yellow hat. She glows brightly as she pulls on the finger of a blonde, pointy-eared man carrying a rabbit in his other hand.

"Come on Bidashal-san, hurrry up! Fluffy-kun doesn't want to miss this episode, and we're going to be laaate! We're so lucky that Mr Agil gave us those free tickets!"

Bidashal: *grump* "Quiet down, Melin. We're already here." *Bidashal sits down, nodding to the NPC presenter as if deigning to give him permission to proceed*

-Cue camera swinging back to the presenter and panel.

"Crickey! Sorry 'bout that folks. Presenting the expert of experts, friend to animals and Fae everywhere, the Chief Supervisor of the Department of Exotic Studies at TRIMS - Miss Cattleya!"

*cheers and hollers abound as the wholesome young pinkette steps onto the stage in a dignified manner… for about two steps. Then she spies the panel, and a second later she bounds enthusiastically towards the table.

"Silica-chan! And Leafa and Kirito too! They didn't tell be you'd be here!"

*Cue camera catching Cattleya giving Silica a big warm hug*

"Ahem. If we could start the segment?"

*Cattleya gives the presenter a broad smile as she sits down in the vacant chair*

===

*A picture of a Spriggan with a forked piece of wood in his hand flashes onto the screen behind them.*

When Spriggans use a dowsing rod they find treasure instead of water.

Argo: *Chuckles from beneath her hood* "Nya-ow that's one where 'tis some truth behind th' rumors, sa. Spriggans do indeed have some skill in treasure hunting, but only th' high level ones gain th' ability to «Dowse». Kii-bou here will be happy so show you, though. We've even hidden some treasures in the studio for him to find!"

*Argo pokes Kirito in the side with a piece of wood shaped suspiciously like the rod in the picture behind them.*

Kirito: "Eh-h, th-that's right" *Kirito grabs the stick and springs to the front of the stage* "Cattleya helped me out learning this skill."

-Cue camera capturing the audience clapping once more and Koko helping Louise hold up a sign saying <Go Cattleya!>

Kirito: "You grasp the rod loosely in your dominant hand, spin around in a clockwise direction annnd…" *Kirito spins rapidly* "…DOWSE!"

- Cue Kirito coming to a sudden halt. The camera follows the direction of the rod, which is pointing midway up the right hand audience stand, directly at…

Leafa: "Wait, that's not gold – that's Asuna! You must have used the wrong hand, Kirito – try again!"

Kirito: "Sure, sure… lets try the non-dominant hand. Spinning around once more... counter…clockwise… annnnd…" *Kirito spins even more madly* "…DOWSE!"

-Cue the camera pointing to the front row of the left hand stage, directly at…

Leafa: "Kiri-tard, you must've done it wrong again! That's Yui-chan!"

*Ha-ha-hah-hah* Cattleya's musical giggles cause Leafa to cut off mid-rant.

Cattleya: "Actually, Leafa, when we worked on it together we decided that that's exactly how it's supposed to go! Your brother knows exactly what he treasures!"

-Cue Leafa *blushing*

Another NPC presenter: "Fair dinkum, that's a couple of true treasures you've got there, Kirito-san! Maybe you'd like to answer the next question, Leafa?"

===

*A picture of a Sylph in flight, eyes glowing green, leaves dancing around her*

Sylphs can see air currents and can pick out an updraft a mile away.

Leafa: *hand on cheek trying to hide her blush* "Umm, maybe not a mile away, but it is true that we can judge which way the wind is moving…"

Another NPC presenter: "So, would you like to see a Sylph in action?"

*Audience cheers* - "Yeeess!!"

-Cue Leafa gliding to the front of the stage. "Ah, how am I going to show everyone? There aren't many strong air currents inside a building."

Another NPC presenter: "Don't worry, we've got it covered. Cattleya?"

-Cue camera swinging to Cattleya. "OK, Puff, give me a type 4 flame, no smoke!"

Leafa: "Puff? What sort of a name is Puff?"

*A Cait Syth Dragon pokes its head through the curtain at the side of the stage, huffs, then suddenly breathes out a stream of bright yellow fire, almost clipping Leafa who jumps back in surprise at the last second.*

Cattleya: "It's Puff the Magic Dragon, of course! I'm not quite sure why her Dragoon named her that though. She has more than a puff of flame when she really lets loose. You should see it when she goes for a type 1 flame! It's a good thing the dragon breeding pens at Freelia are surrounded by water!

Leafa: *flustered* "Oh! So, I look at the line of the flame… focus…"

*Argo quickly folds a piece of paper origami style into a sharp nosed paper plane and places it in Leafa's hand*

-Cue camera zooming in on Leafa's eyes, which take on a soft green glow.

Leafa: "I plot out the path to the target…" her hand draws back, "and… release!" with a quick flick of the wrist the plane is launched to the right.

-Cue camera following the flight of the paper plane, which *curves away from Leafa, catches an updraft, tilts further to the right, dips down, then catches another slight updraft coming off the right hand wall before smacking into the middle of a red-headed Salamander's forehead*

*the audience claps in appreciation of Leafa's skill, almost (but not quite) drowning out Klein's cry of "Hey! You did that on purpose!"*

*Leafa bows before returning to her seat*

Another NPC presenter: "She'll be right, Klein – a little paper plane never hurt anyone. So, let's move on. The next question is one for our expert."

===

*A picture of a rabbit appears on the screen, a series of wavy white lines and a small cloud behind it demonstrating how fast it is moving *

Another NPC presenter: "Wait, that's not…"

-Cue camera, which catches the edge of a large gnome tip-toeing away from the projector and a glint of gold disappearing into the projector operator's pocket

Ragout rabbits are the fastest animals in the world, and Kirito should write an 800 word essay about why he shouldn't eat them

*From the back of the audience – "Whaaa! Kirito wouldn't eat Fluffy-kun's friend, would he? Bidashal – tell me it's not true!"

Kirito: *facedesk* in embarrassment with his hand covering his head. "I'll, get you back for this, Agil !"

Cattleya: *spots the little pixie on the verge of breaking into tears and smiles gently at her before starting to speak in a soft, calming fashion* "Oh. Melin, was it? I can't say that I've come across any Ragout Rabbits yet, but I do have a pet Willow Wasp who's pretty quick. He even collects honey for me. I've got some here if you'd like to try it?"

*Melin looks up at Bidashal, eyes suspiciously watery. Bidashal nods*

Melin flies to Cattleya, who strokes her comfortingly between her wings with the edge of her little finger as a tiny spoon appears like magic in Melin's hand. Melin starts eating the honey from a small bottle that Cattleya produces from her pocket.

Cattleya: "Maybe we should move on?"

Another NPC presenter: "Course we should, 'course we should. OK, next question please." *glares at projector operator, who looks away sheepishly*

===

*A picture of a cute little puppy with big doleful eyes and floppy ears flashes up *

Cait Syth have a mortal fear of dogs and will run away if one of them comes anywhere near them

Silica: *laughs* "Oh, so you left the easy one for me. Of course it's not true. If Cait's were afraid of dogs, they'd never be able to go into the forests for fear of dagger dogs. I'm sure Cattleya can help me demonstrate – "

Cattleya: *grins in delight* "Of course!" *pulls out a silver whistle and blows in and out of it*

-Cue camera focusing on the audience where the Puca's all seem to be nodding and tapping their hands to a melody and a beat that no one else can hear.

Another NPC presenter: "Looks like the Lyre of Puca can hear somthing, folks..."

Random Puca: "Oi, who're you calling a liar? We prefer the term 'Choir'!"

From the side of the stage bounds a cute little yellow beagle with a dark brown spot on his side and a brown tip to his tail.

Cattleya: "This is Spot the Dog, he's the pet of one of the TRIMS workers, and one of my friends!"

*Cattleya kneels down in front of Spot and rubs him behind his ears*

Cattleya: "Say hello to Silica, Spot!"

*Spot runs over to Silica, who giggles as Spot raises a front paw for her to shake.

Cattleya: "Good work, Spot! Now go over to Argo so she can doubly disprove this myth!"

-Cue camera shifting to Argo, who is…

*Standing stock still with her ears pointed straight up and her tail pointed straight out. Argo is clearly in some sort of shock.*

Spot: "Woof, woof, woof!"

Argo: *springs into action* "AAaahhhh . . ." *the word trails off as Argo exits through the door faster than the mythical Ragout Rabbit*

Spot: "Bow-wow?"

Cattleya: "Oh." *looks uncertainly into the camera* "Maybe it wasn't as much of a myth as I thought it was?"

Another NPC presenter: "Oops. Well, since we've lost one of our panel, I suppose we'll have to call it a night! Make sure you tune in next time as we answer more of your questions and test out more ALfheim myths for your delectation! Good night!"

=== fin ===

AN: Yes, Argo being terrified of dogs is Canon – see The Day Before. Demonstrating that in ALO was the inspiration that made me start writing The Second Valliere Daughter, which of course headed off in a different direction.;) It was originally going to be a short scene of Cattleya giving a Tour of her department at TRIMS to the Fae Lords (including Argo) and having a test room full of dagger dogs, but then I realized that the «Question and Answer» format fit the concept so much better.:D
 
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Infinite Freedo said:
Scarron is ahead of the times.
Doesn't matter his customers aren't. And given that many of them are nobles that means he has to be seen punishing people who attack them lest they take it into their hands to punish those people themselves.
 
Vaermina said:
Doesn't matter his customers aren't. And given that many of them are nobles that means he has to be seen punishing people who attack them lest they take it into their hands to punish those people themselves.
iamnuff said:
So its a matter of class?

Even if its some drunk harassing a young girl, she has to put up with it, because he stands above her?

It might be accurate, but it's still not good.
Holy strawman, Batman. Stop making shit up then lamenting about how terrible the situation is for the girls.
 
iamnuff said:
So its a matter of class?

Even if its some drunk harassing a young girl, she has to put up with it, because he stands above her?

It might be accurate, but it's still not good.
Not only that but given the currently applicable laws assault on a noble by a commoner is likely punishable by prison time or indentured servitude even if it is justified.
 
slugboy said:
My guess, Koko first met her husband in a maid cafe or under similar circumstances.
Okay...where do people keep getting the idea that she's married from? She literally never mentions a husband. If he was dead or they separated then you'd expect a mention of it at least, combined with her whole "he's always been a big help" line I'm guessing single parent from the start and quite possibly at a young age.

The obvious implications of her hesitating when questioned about work involving..."charms" are...I dunno really. It is a tad dark but realistically, if she was a young single parent in Japan, her ending up working even in something as comparatively innocent as a hostess bar would be pretty understandable. Something darker would be equally plausible. It's really something that could go either way without breaking SoD at all.

My hope is for hostess bar as this would lay the groundwork for some interesting viewpoint clashes and at the same time give Koko a grounding for not being all self-righteous about this stuff when it comes to trying to improve the girls' set-up a little. As well as giving our mighty hunter a bit of a humble background that relates to the scenario. Of course if she was telling the truth and referring to general attractiveness rather than just being cutesy type attrcative, her having worked in such places is unlikely. Not many people want ugly hostesses, such is the world. Her freezing up being simply the shock at Louise raising the subject of the Fae homeland. But then why did she say "not exactly"?

Argh, brain running in circles!!!
 
Anzer'ke said:
Okay...where do people keep getting the idea that she's married from? She literally never mentions a husband. If he was dead or they separated then you'd expect a mention of it at least, combined with her whole "he's always been a big help" line I'm guessing single parent from the start and quite possibly at a young age.

The obvious implications of her hesitating when questioned about work involving..."charms" are...I dunno really. It is a tad dark but realistically, if she was a young single parent in Japan, her ending up working even in something as comparatively innocent as a hostess bar would be pretty understandable. Something darker would be equally plausible. It's really something that could go either way without breaking SoD at all.

My hope is for hostess bar as this would lay the groundwork for some interesting viewpoint clashes and at the same time give Koko a grounding for not being all self-righteous about this stuff when it comes to trying to improve the girls' set-up a little. As well as giving our mighty hunter a bit of a humble background that relates to the scenario. Of course if she was telling the truth and referring to general attractiveness rather than just being cutesy type attrcative, her having worked in such places is unlikely. Not many people want ugly hostesses, such is the world. Her freezing up being simply the shock at Louise raising the subject of the Fae homeland. But then why did she say "not exactly"?

Argh, brain running in circles!!!
*shrug* Not enough data, and the possibilities run into the dozens. Best to wait and see.
 
iamnuff said:
The thing is, strip clubs usually have more than one bouncer, so the girls dont NEED to look after themselves.
also, if someone starts playing Grab-Ass, then they get kicked out, no exceptions.

In this setting, its more like, you have to hope Scarron is looking your way, and not too busy helping someone else.
The inn isn't that large, or that crowded. Scarron doesn't have that big a field to monitor.
iamnuff said:
It seems more like he doesn't ever actually tell the customers off, or kick anyone out, He just sits down in the customers lap and acts like one of the serving girls, apparently in the hope that this will totally slaughter their libido.
And you're saying it doesn't? Besides, TH has already established that Scarron in this version does give the rowdier ones the boot if what Koko says has anything to do with it.
iamnuff said:
So they harass your staff and don't spend much?

Then you won't lose much when you show them the door, right?
And how does letting your greenhorns easily fly off the handle rather than let security deal with it train them to be good at working with the better tippers?

How does having a hostess club get a reputation of its hostess beat up customers help it?

You don't have to like it, but that's the way the setup works. The alternative is shutting down and going out of business.

Morals and outrage won't feed you.
 
Mashadarof402 said:
The inn isn't that large, or that crowded. Scarron doesn't have that big a field to monitor.

And you're saying it doesn't? Besides, TH has already established that Scarron in this version does give the rowdier ones the boot if what Koko says has anything to do with it.
Show, don't tell. Louise hasn't seen Scarron throw anyone out, therefore we have no idea if he is. Of course we're pretty much having a rehash of the "Louise is EVIL because she expected Klein to kill a kid for throwing a horse shoe at him" argument with some places switched. This is the advantage of Louise as a character the way TH is running her. Her initial narrow mindedness is very easy to leverage into providing the audience with incomplete information so that we may learn alongside her. This makes the scenes in her perspective more informative without needing to make Louise seem dumber than a sack of hammers. She can be smart, insightful, but still blinded by the bias of her upbringing.
 
slugboy said:
We're deriving it because she has mentioned a son. True, we don't know for certain if the child is biologically hers but generally people assume such when someone admits parenthood. 'Husband' may have been the wrong word considering she's a single parent, but it sounds nicer than "her son's father".
KoKo doesn't have a dark back story.

She was married, it was just a pretty loveless relationship by the time of the transition. Not bitter, just not a real relationship anymore.

Met her husband out of college and got married, he started to climb the career ladder and really didn't have time to be with his family. KoKo devoted herself to raising her son at the price of her own career. Naturally she bonded very closely with him as oppossed to her husband who is something of a distant figure at best in her life, someone she cohabitates with and gets along with well enough, but hardly her first concern.

ALfheim was probably something she started to play in her spare time specifically to combat the boredom and maybe even depression at where she had ended up.
 
slugboy said:
We're deriving it because she has mentioned a son. True, we don't know for certain if the child is biologically hers but generally people assume such when someone admits parenthood. 'Husband' may have been the wrong word considering she's a single parent, but it sounds nicer than "her son's father".
Really? You think husband sounds better than just saying father? Why? Plenty people have kids out of wedlock nowadays...

Oh.

Oho ho.

I completely forgot about that. It's not just the modesty stuff and not being alone with a member of the opposite sex chaperoned. It's also bastards being a big deal. Whereas for the Fae, well sex out of wedlock is pretty commonplace. Heck their Countess of Muisica got laid and got pregnant without marriage. That is going to do more than just raise eyebrows. To Tristainian Nobles that's lifelong disgrace territory after all.
 
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