Halkegenia Online Thread 23 - I Think We're Going to be Alright

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Wow, yeah, saying that right in front of Miki. Though she's probably heard that horrible fact already.

Douchery nearly on par with your abandoned idea, and certainly more within his character.
Well it isn't like he considers Miki as anything more and reprogrammable flesh golem. To expand on Amalda, the complete removal of the wings would have been related to Edel wanting to 'uplift' her to a human being by removing the imperfections. But the reason I gave before took precidence and I dropped it.

Wait, if Miki could still use magic, then why was she still stuck in the cage? She could've broken out any time she wanted.
Two reasons.
One: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
Two: Her highest skill is at 400, what few skills she has equipped are even lower. She isn't capable of throwing triangle level power like most Faeries shown fighting in HalkO. In theory a Line mage is more than enough to keep her down.
 
Fair enough. Miki was probably stuck in a depression with the deaths of her friends, too.
Two: Her highest skill is at 400, what few skills she has equipped are even lower. She isn't capable of throwing triangle level power like most Faeries shown fighting in HalkO. In theory a Line mage is more than enough to keep her down.
Um.
As soon as he stepped back a wall of ice erupted from the floor and advanced on the door forcing Edel and the guards to back away before they got swallowed in ice. When the spell ended, the entryway was coated in a thick wall of ice. Edel and the guards were stuck on the other side of the ice and now were trying to break through with blades and spells. The spell bought them time they could use to escape.
That display of magic is at least line-level, especially if it can hold off an actual line mage. The spell that she cast next wrecked the trophy room.

Maybe Miki's cage had some sort of enchantment or device that suppressed her magic? Edel is an alchemist, he could have contacts that could provide containment equipment like that.
 
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Maybe her cage had some sort of enchantment or device that suppressed her magic? Edel is an alchemist, he could have contacts that could provide containment equipment like that.

That does seem more likely...

Also, on another note. I've been re-watching SAO, and I had a thought. Since the Code is likely already there, chances are, so is Gravity Magic... just no one knows the spells for it.
 
I have a tiny knit pick with Wilde Jagd; Why are the guards using bronze weapons, armor and crossbows?

Germania is much more advanced with gunpowder due to their lack of noble mages, and they are well past the time of bronze, they should have iron equipment at least and steel equipment at best...

I'm just confused (plus time-period OCD) on that part, can someone explain please?
 
Just for those who do not like omake discussions in this thread, no I am not taking over the thread. Just keeping the thread alive :).

Fair enough. Miki was probably stuck in a depression with the deaths of her friends, too.
That too, Trauma Conga line go!

That display of magic is at least line-level, especially if it can hold off an actual line mage. The spell that she cast next wrecked the trophy room.
Just one wall(unless I wrote it wrong), but I see what you are getting at. In the case of mage vs faerie, mage can cast faster(a noted and applied several times in HalkO).

Maybe Miki's cage had some sort of enchantment or device that suppressed her magic? Edel is an alchemist, he could have contacts that could provide containment equipment like that.
That does seem more likely...
The more I think about it, some sort of anti magic just in case Miki tries to cast magic would make a whole lot of sense. Time to commit some editing. Is there any ZnT canon anti-magic field or magic suppression? Otherwise I will make something up. "Or have Edel cut Miki's tongue of... nah."

I have a tiny knit pick with Wilde Jagd; Why are the guards using bronze weapons, armor and crossbows?

Germania is much more advanced with gunpowder due to their lack of noble mages, and they are well past the time of bronze, they should have iron equipment at least and steel equipment at best...

I'm just confused (plus time-period OCD) on that part, can someone explain please?
I chose Bronze for two reasons. First was to keep the fights against non-important enemies extremely short. Wilde Jagd is still just a regular human(with minor buffs to speed, strength, and endurance that would make him peak human at best). Having him fight through several groups of humans with actual decent equipment(iron and steel) would force me to either add more time for the fights(Which would complicate the entire stealth plan) or focus more on stealth(I felt that a guy in full plate sneaking through a mansion was pushing it already.)

Sure the fights may last a few more seconds, but that is enough time to call for help and effectively have Wilde Jagd hack and slash his way through not only the Edel's Personal Guards, but the City Guard as well.

As for the crossbows over muskets... no reason at all. They were originally going to just draw swords and charge Wilde Jagd but decided that they would probably just shoot him instead. Crossbows were the first thing that came to mind. The result would have been the same though(with the shield being raised before the verbal exchange begins).

But his guards have crossbows. :???:
Second hand?
 
Just one wall(unless I wrote it wrong), but I see what you are getting at. In the case of mage vs faerie, mage can cast faster(a noted and applied several times in HalkO).
True, but Miki still seems to have a power advantage over Edel. Ice is at least line-level magic (water-wind) in ZnT, and she would have had to generate a lot of ice to block off an entire doorway, especially since her ice wall started from inside the room itself. Even Tabitha's Windy Icicle spell doesn't seem to generate that much ice.

Of course, all the magical power in the world won't help Miki if Edel's speed advantage lets him blast her unconscious before she can finish casting a spell.
The more I think about it, some sort of anti magic just in case Miki tries to cast magic would make a whole lot of sense. Time to commit some editing. Is there any ZnT canon anti-magic field or magic suppression? Otherwise I will make something up. "Or have Edel cut Miki's tongue of... nah."
Hora.

You'd have to ask Flere if ZnT has native anti-magic enchantments, but IIRC the Academy Vault had enchantments designed to resist magical alteration. Also, if the Fae spell Dispel can affect Halk magic, then it stands to reason that Halk anti-magic could affect Fae magic.
 
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I had an idea: What will you think as a former Mob if you came to a Halkegenia city like Lutecia or my Hannover - metropolises with almost half a million inhabitants? Even Arrun the largest of Alfheim's cities had only twenty thousand inhabitants plus minus.

From the Wilderness into Civilisation: The Metropolis, the Germania's Emperor and the Daughter of the Ashanti


Dahlia was feeling overwhelmed. She always knew she will one day leave her village for another as was the custom of her people. But when she chose the Germanian scholar as husband from her rescuers she couldn't imagine how different their worlds were.

Now she stood on the deck of the flying ship the ruler of these land sent to bring her husband and all those with him to him so he could hear from them what they found in the rain forest that was summoned with the rest of the Alfheim.

Dahlia didn't want to believe that someone could have the power to bring Alfheim to and merge with Halkegenia but when instead of the ocean new land lay in front of her when she and the rest of the expedition left the forest she and her brethren couldn't doubt the humans words anymore.

The city of Aachen was large with buildings that rivalled those of Fae. The crowds were larger than she could imagine. Dahlia wanted to hold on her husband and to stare around herself as a small child simultaneously. Only her pride held her back. But Aachen was small in comparison with the city in front of the ship - Hannover, the Imperial capitol. Karl told her that it was the second largest city in the Halkegenia after Romalia with Gallia's metropolis Lutecia close third. But seeing it was entirely different matter. The city was large! Also it smelled strongly with all people and their animals living so close together. Dahlia wrinkled her nose. The rain forest smelled differently.

She felt hands on her shoulders and turned her head to smile on her husband. She liked Karl from the first moment they spoke but she found that she started to fall for him hard now. He took his role seriously and was doing what he could to help her in the new world. He smiled back to her.

"The ship will land in twelve minutes," he told her. "We should go to gather our luggage love."

She nodded to this and they left for their cabin together.

***

The Port was build like most others around massive tree and was large. If one flying ship was awe inspiring how would you react to hundreds of them taking off or landing? Dahlia holding Karl's hand didn't know on what to stare first - the landing ships or the cranes loading and unloading crates and large barrels. They went past large lift full of cargo that descended from wharf into a warehouse down under the tree. They took one such elevator too - using the stairs would be to slow and strenuous.

A luxurious coach awaited them down there with small mounted escort. Remembering the etiquette lessons Karl gave her Dahlia let him help her into the coach's cabin and took the seat across him. They were here alone because doctor Wiatzek and Saisha were overlooking the unloading of their collection of trophies and herbs so Karl could quickly refresh his advices to Dahlia about the Emperor and the proper etiquette. They had time for it, because even with escort the ride was slowed by the traffic.

***

"Welcome back Sir," young officer of the imperial guard greeted them. "And congratulation to your wedding." He then motioned for them to enter the small audience hall. "Die Majestät is awaiting you with Lord Wegenner and Lord Habsburg. While the names didn't mean anything to Dahlia, they made Karl pause. Graf Ferdinand Wegenner was the imperial minister of treasury and Herzog Otto Habsburg von Wien was Emperor's closest ally, his uncle and the current Marshal of Imperial Army.

When they entered Dahlia saw the Emperor in heated debate with his two ministers but they turned to them. She could feel their curious stares - she was first Alfheim's denizen they saw. She felt like a display piece and fought hard to not blush.

After Karl introduced her to the Emperor and his two Ministers the Emperor postponed their previous debate so he could speak with professor Karl about his expedition. He then led the Lindemanns to his private rooms. After they entered he motioned for them to sit down and done so himself. The servants brought for them some refreshments and left.

"So Karl, this is the woman who caught the confirmed bachelor?" Emperor turned to his old schoolmate when the three were alone.

"I did rescue her, so it was my knightly duty to solemnly accept her as a reward," Karl bantered back with serious expression. Dahlia didn't know if she should blush or hit her husband. Especially because he was right - she didn't let him choose after all. "I didn't regret it," Karl continued. "Dahlia is a lovely woman and will be a good mother for our daughter and any other children to come."

Now Dahlia was blushing under Emperors scrutiny. She and her grandfather were impressed with doctor Wiatzek - drop of her blood into a potion, short spell and he told her that she is expecting girl two days after her wedding. That was after he cured the illness that was troubling the tribe for some time. Her grandfather needed for confirmation of the news to conduct night long ritual so the spirits of the ancestors could confirm Dahlia's blessed condition.

"So congratulations are in order," Emperor shook Karl's hand cordially. "So what can you tell me about my new subjects?" he asked curiously.

So Dahlia told him about the origin of Ashanti - the refugees from Vanirheim when Ice Giants froze the land turning it into replica of long gone Jotunheim. Her people didn't liked Vanirs or Nilfheimers who reigned the land after an ancient war. So they found a way to the surface where they found another Yggdrasil's race - the Faeries. After short war her forefathers fled into then mostly uninhabited Rain Forests. Only inhabitants were the Pygmies who weren't that dangerous and small Warrens of Coinins or Dens of Sionahs. With their magic and being good fighters and hunters Ashanti prospered. But that changed when the War of Races or War of Chosen started. Driven from their lands in central Alfheim and greedy for riches and artefacts buried in the ruins in jungle the Spriggans came, and with them enemy too powerful to overcome. For the last decades Ashanti and other tribes played dangerous game of hide and strike with bands of adventurers and occasional invaders. Not all encounters were hostile but they dominated.

"I heard," the Emperor interrupted Dahlia's story, "that the war between Fae ceased with the event that brought you all here. They even, what I heard started negotiations with their wild cousins. Baron Blücher reported that he saw Coinin Sidhe in Arrun and even spoke with them. Tristain already granted citizenship to Pixies after an incident."

"Huh?" Dahlia blinked. "Still don't know what it would mean for Ashanti."

"Well, Fae don't have problems with humans or at least not with Tristanians," Emperor pointed out. "And that you are expecting Frau Lindemann shows close kinship between Ashanti and humans. How close tough professor Lindemann?" Emperor did show the scientist in himself.

"I and doctor Wiatzek did some preliminary surveys using the rescued commoners and ourselves as a sample of human populations," Karl told him about his findings. "It's too early to say it with certainty but I think Ashanti are closer to us than any other race we encountered so far. They are even closer to us than werewolves and everyone knew werewolves evolved from humans after being cursed. There are some peculiar differences but they are small and few. The same can't be said about Pygmies tough ..." he mused.

"I will guaranty you that you will have plenty opportunities to continue in your studies professor Lindemann," the Emperor was now serious. "The situation is bad. All our plans with and maps of Tristain can be thrown out. The so called Transition changed everything. For example how accessible is Tristain through the Reichswald?"

"Not really," Dahlia answered after Karl motioned to her to do so. She new the territory of her tribe much better than Karl and his people, and she or her brethren scouted the territories south and north from the village too. "The ridge is too steep with only ancient artificial passageways called the Stairs usable to cross them by foot. There are three such Stairs - two on the surface and one underground. They are narrow, steep and in bad condition if still usable."

"Also the forest itself is formidable obstacle," Karl continued. "We took seven days to get to the ridge, and we were only carrying the basic equipment and most of us were woodsmen with great experience with dangerous forests. Large groups of men will even with Ashanti's help struggle to go anywhere and the terrain west from the ridge isn't better - it's worse with more dangers."

"Good analysis Frau and Herr Lindemann," the Emperor nodded satisfied. "I can only add, that even official and with Transition not changed roads through the Rain Forest were with Spriggans recommendation closed until further notice. They are still closed and Tristain's and our merchants had to use new route crossing the new Orlein Lake. Remagen, until Transition godforsaken hole, is turning into strategical river port. We also knew nothing or only little about the inhabitants, animals and plants of the changed lands. Which is, why you will not go back to Jenna professor Lindemann but will contact professor Osmond in Tristain. I know he was trying for years to woo you. His Academy is great but they always lacked experts on fauna especially the magical. They also want you as an expert on Firstborns, the Orcs and Goblins respectively."

"You want us to spy on Tristain?" Karl frowned. He knew he couldn't refuse such order but still...

"Spy is such bad word, professor Lindeman. You will simply continue to teach what you know, and in your free time study the knew animals and humanoids. We will of course be waiting for you to publish your findings and if our army finds them useful ... We will not be the only one who will benefit from your work. Tristain's offices will be as eager to read your works as will be ours. It will be also your chance to work with Faeries."

Dahlia grimaced now. She wasn't happy about meeting old enemies of her people. Emperor of course saw this.

"You will be fine Frau Lindemann," he reassured her. "I heard that not all Fae made it through the Transition and most of those who did are pretty decent. That you carry Herr Lindemann's child and are his wife will not only protect you but help all your brethren. "

"Dahlia is also able to use Brimir's magic," Karl told to the Emperor. "I was planning to teach her more than the cantrips she knew now."

This made Emperor chuckle. "Excellent. This should teach the more idiotic Nobles some humility. It would be great if you can get her in the academy as a student. We lost one of our lower contacts there recently. She was only moderately useful but has some good insight into Galian secret service surprisingly. We don't know over what she tripped but she is under heavy censorship now. We need someone to monitor the students, we don't need any surprises like Heavy Wind was." The Emperor paused frowning.

"The situation is more dire than I would like," the Emperor sighed. "We don't have plans to go to war with Tristain but if Tristain and the Fae don't manage to stop Reconquista Germania will be forced to intervene if only to stop Gallia to do the same."

Emperor stood up and motioned for his guests to do so as well. The audience was at its end. "We thank you Frau Lindemann and your people for your gifts," the Emperor motioned to the Ashanti artefacts Dahlia gave him as her tribe's presents, "and we extend the Germania protection to your people giving them the status of free citizens under the Emperor's direct governance with the Reichswald as their territory. In exchange we want only for you to maintain safety of Germania border and curb the more aggressive beasts."

After the Lindemanns departed the Emperor returned back to his still waiting ministers to plot new plans reflecting the changed world.

The End. Not betaed.
 
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Maybe Miki's cage had some sort of enchantment or device that suppressed her magic? Edel is an alchemist, he could have contacts that could provide containment equipment like that.
I'm pretty sure there's no canon, in Familiar of Zero, method of suppressing magic.
You'd have to ask Flere if ZnT has native anti-magic enchantments, but IIRC the Academy Vault had enchantments designed to resist magical alteration. Also, if the Fae spell Dispel can affect Halk magic, then it stands to reason that Halk anti-magic could affect Fae magic.
I'm pretty sure the academy vaults were just reinforced to extremes by square class mages making them super strong and probably painfully complicated to break down with earth magic. But Flere probably is the one to ask.
 
Bronze has been more expensive than iron ever since we figured out how to make iron. It's an alloy of tin and copper, neither of which is quite as common as iron is; in conjunction, they'd have to ship one or the other quite a distance.

Iron is also stronger in all but its least effective forms, so I really don't know. I think they should be iron weapons. There's still plenty of room for them to shatter, if it's low-quality iron.
 
It depends on the type of bronze how strong it is and what its used for though it would be more expensive than iron which is why bronze originally fell out of favor in the first place for weaponry though stronger iron and steel would come along. Steam and hydraulic castings, ships' propellers, bearings, valves, and gears, any sort of piping or fitting that will be exposed to salt water are made with bronze even today and historically ship and boat fittings were made of bronze until stainless steel came along.

Until the advent of high quality steel bronze was the preferred metal used in making of artillery pieces because of the very low friction quality of bronze which is also why bronze tools are used in areas where friction might cause explosions. Perhaps someone is afraid of causing sparks if they use iron weapons?
 
Until the advent of high quality steel bronze was the preferred metal used in making of artillery pieces because of the very low friction quality of bronze which is also why bronze tools are used in areas where friction might cause explosions. Perhaps someone is afraid of causing sparks if they use iron weapons?

Errr cast-iron is much cheaper than bronze and has better tolerances to boot. Most artillery and howitzers were cast iron, not bronze.
 
What if the Noble is so thrifty that he requires his guards to finance their own equipment?
Then he's not actually a reigning noble. In the late medieval and early modern eras, nobles would compete with each other by attempting to out-do each other's retinues. These retinues were composed of heavily armed ad armoured professional soldiers who fought for their employers cause and wore his colours in exchange for a retainer.

Having the guards provide their own gear is what a state militia might do. I suppose this could work if the noble had financial problems. Since this isn't the real world, you've got a fair amount of wriggle room, but noble retinues that provide their own equipment is weird.
 
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This story is so meta, its a fanfiction that is so inspiring that its getting fanfiction of its own.

I'll be honest TH, you could probably change the names, tweak the characters and modify the background a bit and make this a freaking best selling fantasy novel series. I know I'd buy it.

Edit: A qualifier I forgot to mention. It's getting GOOD fanfiction, which in itself is super rare.
 
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This story is so meta, its a fanfiction that is so inspiring that its getting fanfiction of its own.

I'll be honest TH, you could probably change the names, tweak the characters and modify the background a bit and make this a freaking best selling fantasy novel series. I know I'd buy it.

Edit: A qualifier I forgot to mention. It's getting GOOD fanfiction, which in itself is super rare.
I believe that he is actually considering doing that. Or at least using this story as practice before he writes his own.
 
Well, I made some changes to Wilde Jagd : sechs based off the comments every gave. I appreciate these comments and nitpickings. Wilde Jagd isn't being betaed/edited by another person.
Changes:
  • Added a little detail noting that yes Edel does have properly equipped guards.
  • I replaced the crossbows with snubbed muskets and rewrote when Wilde Jagd raises his shield. As I said before, the crossbow thing was a spur of the moment. I wanted them to shoot him instead of charge in and get axed.
  • I changed Miki's ice barricade and sonic blast spells effect parts to better reflect what I intended them to be.
  • I also add a little extra dialogue to hopefully explain why Miki didn't cast her way out.
  • I wasn't aware that ice was wind+water. I always thought that it was just water because magic. I change the contructs Edel makes at the end.
Whelp back to writing the part 7 :3

This story is so meta, its a fanfiction that is so inspiring that its getting fanfiction of its own.

I'll be honest TH, you could probably change the names, tweak the characters and modify the background a bit and make this a freaking best selling fantasy novel series. I know I'd buy it.

Edit: A qualifier I forgot to mention. It's getting GOOD fanfiction, which in itself is super rare.
If TH turned this fanfiction into a original fantasy novel series I would totally throw money at it.

Personally, I think part of the charm of this fanfiction is the sheer scale of things as well as the world building he has done. By having multiple story lines running simultaneously, we have that many more perspectives on the setting. And despite that he manages to keep the story flowing at a relatively good pace.
 
Errr cast-iron is much cheaper than bronze and has better tolerances to boot. Most artillery and howitzers were cast iron, not bronze.
Well, once cast iron showed up in the west (about the 15th century). Even then you have other material problems with the stuff. Bronze has a lower melting point, and is less brittle. This means you have a harder time getting sufficient quantities of iron into a liquid state, and they can outright shatter if you do it wrong.
 
This story is so meta, its a fanfiction that is so inspiring that its getting fanfiction of its own.

I'll be honest TH, you could probably change the names, tweak the characters and modify the background a bit and make this a freaking best selling fantasy novel series. I know I'd buy it.

Edit: A qualifier I forgot to mention. It's getting GOOD fanfiction, which in itself is super rare.

One day I'll probably take a lot of ideas from this and write something unique (and shorter). For now I'm having fun making all my mistakes. :p

Just an FYI, update should be tomorrow. I'm finally feeling completely not sick anymore.
 
Question: Does Alfheim have regular pets like cats, dogs, fish, etc.?
 
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