The part where Earth is described as being inhabited by primitives and having an average pop of 5.
Going Native (DBZ/DC Comics) (Complete)
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The part where Earth is described as being inhabited by primitives and having an average pop of 5.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
That's how the Planet Trade consider things, how the Earth consider things, is that he don't own it at all, and if it's indeed DC Earth, then it has the power to make that opinion stick.
It's not like every space policy acknowledge his ownership either, only the allies of the Planet trade would acknowledge it, the enemies of the Planet trade, would just consider him another Planet trade thug, trying to do what Planet trade thugs do(namely wipe out natives and steal their planets)
My point is that if he try to actually make the Earth acknowledge his claim, then the super heroes will kick his ass because he's an invader, if he don't try to press his claim, then they will kick his ass, when Green Lantern identify him as a criminal wanted all across the galaxy for the slaughter of billions.
If he go there after deserting the Planet trade, he might get a redemption arch instead, but if he go there while working for the Planet trade, then it's near certain to be a shitshow, with the Justice League trying to send him to prison.
makes me wonder about which kinda Superman or DC-verse it is. If its Silver Age Superman then what's even the point of continuing to read through this, he wins. No drama + no tension = no story.
Also, Death Battles had their fucking math WRONG
Also, Death Battles had their fucking math WRONG
Considering we can only just barely get into space, that sounds pretty primitive compared to giant space empires. Same for pretty much all tech Earth has compared to the 'normal' galactic level of tech.
And the average power level of 5 seems pretty accurate as well. Sure there is the odd meta-human, but they are few compared to the billions of regular humans so that skews that average down quite a bit. And even then, whatever power they have isn't likely to raise their power level much. Master Roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 139, and most meta-humans would struggle to wipe out a city block with their powers, much less do noticeable damage to the moon. So we can pretty easily say that most power levels on Earth are pretty small and won't affect that global average too much.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Dragonball moons are made out of explosium, so that's not a very good argument.
That just means that it should be that much easier for them to do it, yet they still can't.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Okay then lets just go with power levels are bullshit inconsistent, Master Roshi can wipe out the moon, after already being exhausted from a long hard battle with Goku, yet at the same time, the blast that only destroyed a small mountain, left him tired.
The Trade Organization and Galactic Real Estate Laws
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Posted this informational over on SB and figured I'd share it here:
The Frieza-force, thus the Trade Organization is a galactic company that specializes in real estate. For it to exist, that would imply that there is a market for buying and selling planets, which means there are legal procedures that must be adhered to. Laws are really no different than ones you would see in modern courts; property rights, mineral rights, permits and so on. Some of these laws deal with sentients -- like I said before, the rights to the Sol system was bought a long time ago, back when humans were still throwing poop at each other, so they weren't covered by these rights.
Fast forward a couple of thousand years, and now humans are. They're entitled to an appeal, basically saying 'this is our planet, we lived here our whole lives.' It's just not guaranteed to go in the human's favor because, technically, the Trade Organization owned it first, the humans could be considered tenants, and they would either have to vacate the premises or start paying rent now that they are sentient. In this universe, this whole process is why Frieza kills off the native population.
Additionally, the Trade Organization is fuck off big and powerful. Not just because of King Cold, Frieza and Cooler either -- powerful empires, like the Reach, back them because they benefit from their practices. The Reach used it to subvert the treaty in addition to their normal method of brainwashing primitive planets into willingly joining them, which in turn made them significantly more powerful than their canon counterparts. Because they have the backing of a significant portion of the galaxy's more powerful empires, the real estate laws have legitimacy on a galactic scale.
And, in the end, the Green Lanterns are space police. They enforce the laws, they do not dictate them nor can they change them. The Guardians would like to, certainly, but with the Trade Organization almost acting as a glue of sorts for the powerful empires, they know they can't tip their hand. Their position isn't as secure as it was in canon. The Reach is more powerful than it was when they were forced into a draw with the Green Lanterns, them alone would be enough to give the Guardians pause in contradicting the real estate laws of the galaxy.
That isn't to say that they're toothless. Say Tarble was going to go to Earth and kick everyone off it and demanded that Hal Jordan be the one that did the evictions. The conversation would go a lot like this.
Hal: *gasp* is that...Batman?! He is the night, he is vengeance, and he has struck fear deep into my heart! Will...fading...can't...use power ring...! Oh no! Sorry, tried my best. Oh well.
Additionally, there's a few hours delay before the Guardians revoke access to a power ring, so that's plenty of time to kick whoever is trying to conquer the earth butt. However, since ownership of a planet can't really be decided in a fight legally, most of it is settled in a court. The usual solution, for the most part, is either buying the planet back or finding...'ways' to obtain the deed.
The Frieza-force, thus the Trade Organization is a galactic company that specializes in real estate. For it to exist, that would imply that there is a market for buying and selling planets, which means there are legal procedures that must be adhered to. Laws are really no different than ones you would see in modern courts; property rights, mineral rights, permits and so on. Some of these laws deal with sentients -- like I said before, the rights to the Sol system was bought a long time ago, back when humans were still throwing poop at each other, so they weren't covered by these rights.
Fast forward a couple of thousand years, and now humans are. They're entitled to an appeal, basically saying 'this is our planet, we lived here our whole lives.' It's just not guaranteed to go in the human's favor because, technically, the Trade Organization owned it first, the humans could be considered tenants, and they would either have to vacate the premises or start paying rent now that they are sentient. In this universe, this whole process is why Frieza kills off the native population.
Additionally, the Trade Organization is fuck off big and powerful. Not just because of King Cold, Frieza and Cooler either -- powerful empires, like the Reach, back them because they benefit from their practices. The Reach used it to subvert the treaty in addition to their normal method of brainwashing primitive planets into willingly joining them, which in turn made them significantly more powerful than their canon counterparts. Because they have the backing of a significant portion of the galaxy's more powerful empires, the real estate laws have legitimacy on a galactic scale.
And, in the end, the Green Lanterns are space police. They enforce the laws, they do not dictate them nor can they change them. The Guardians would like to, certainly, but with the Trade Organization almost acting as a glue of sorts for the powerful empires, they know they can't tip their hand. Their position isn't as secure as it was in canon. The Reach is more powerful than it was when they were forced into a draw with the Green Lanterns, them alone would be enough to give the Guardians pause in contradicting the real estate laws of the galaxy.
That isn't to say that they're toothless. Say Tarble was going to go to Earth and kick everyone off it and demanded that Hal Jordan be the one that did the evictions. The conversation would go a lot like this.
Hal: *gasp* is that...Batman?! He is the night, he is vengeance, and he has struck fear deep into my heart! Will...fading...can't...use power ring...! Oh no! Sorry, tried my best. Oh well.
Additionally, there's a few hours delay before the Guardians revoke access to a power ring, so that's plenty of time to kick whoever is trying to conquer the earth butt. However, since ownership of a planet can't really be decided in a fight legally, most of it is settled in a court. The usual solution, for the most part, is either buying the planet back or finding...'ways' to obtain the deed.
Zap Rowsdower
Ex-cultist vagrant
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Maxima: "Superman! If you agree to wed me, I will purchase this planet you love so much for you from its Saiyan overlord!"
Superman: "What's the asking price?"
Tarble: "For you? Five bucks and an autograph."
Maxima: "But that's several dozen orders of magnitude below what you're charging me!"
Tarble: "I don't like you."
Wouldn't she go to tarble instead of Superman cause he is the warrior not supes
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*Looks up who's Maxima*
Huh, yeah. And Tarble is a prince from another advanced warrior race, so I can totally see it
He does exist. He's mentioned in a chapter.
He does exist as his father talked about him. Unfortunately he only has 2 pl at birth so they are going to send him to a planet to kill its population(or die trying). But unfortunately as tarble bought earth, he is going to a diffrent planet of very weak species to wipe clean. As I really doubt anyone else can make or do anything to earth from a legal standpoint without tarbles say so.
Do you think the world he will be sent to will be the dragon ball version of earth?
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
This imply there's some universal law, and that just make it more grimdark, personally I would expect it would be more that each galactic power have their own laws, because I don't think, all of the canon galactic powers would agree on this law.
Also regardless of if Tarbles owning the Earth is legal, you have made it clear that the Frieza's force's purges aren't legal, they're the Frieza forces way of dodging the law, so while if Tarbles sold the rights to Earth, on to someone who hasn't participated in a purge, Green Lanterns being space-cops, would mean they were legally supposed to help evict unlawful tenants.
The fact Tarbles has participated in purges, should mean Tarbles is a space criminal, and that mean a Green Lantern can just arrest his ass, sure if he continues to press his claim from prison, the courts will have to deal with it, but if a mass murderer shows up with official documents, and ask a cop to evict people from a building they own, the cop is going to arrest the mass murderer, not help him evict unlawful tenants, depending on whether the court decide on confiscating his property, the criminal might be able to start processions, to get the tenants evicted from prison, but a wanted felon walking up to a cop to ask for help with a legal problem, is going to end with the cop arresting them.
Unless you're saying purges are somehow legal too, and if they are, then the law in the Milky Way should be corrupt, to the point where the Oans stop having the Green Lanterns enforce it, because the Green Lanterns don't canonically enforce tyranical laws, so purges being legal, should be a tipping point, where the Oans decide that this galaxy must be changed, and so have their Green Lanterns act as freedom fighters instead of cops.
The guardians might not even know that Tarbles is a criminal I mean how is a green lantern suppose to know that this specific Sayan was involved in the crime. There weren't any survivors.
Well there are several factors to take in consideration some meta some in universe. As some meta reasons you cant have a proper focus on your sı when they are competing with goku a very much beloved character so author probably will want to limit his appearence. There is alao the fact that king vegeta and barduk are in a feud that has a slim chance that may see them lose everything so he may think that as barduk is such an unorthodox saiyan the death of his son might affect him and send him on a real suicide mission to die.
And you have to remember that the goku(kakarot) we love was the result of amnesia and then being raised by a loving grandfather with martial arts to focus his energy. So the fact that he will be anything but a diffrent saiyan like bardok would be weird without those factors.
Anyway sorry about rambleing so much. This is ultimately up to the author, though I doubt he will be going to dragon ball earth as this is a crossover and there is already dc earth. Though if he wants ideas-guy can make it like an omake but I really doubt he will as there is alot of hijinks going on on that db earth but we really havent seen much of the dc part.
what tarble will do is when he is finally is an adult will go to earth and say i own this planet base on my galatic rights and if there is anyone that will face me and beat me i will gladly give said deed to that person
side note will jor-el still send kal-el to earth when its in pto territory
side note will jor-el still send kal-el to earth when its in pto territory
I have to wonder does intergalactic law have a form of age of criminal liability? Since the MC is a toddler with no life experience and facing coercion it could be argued he's not responsible for his actions. Although since he's a reincarnator the argument of no life experience goes out the window if anyone knows.
With the Guardians getting them onboard with the laws is likely where a lot of the protections for sapients came from. If it used to be legal to purge them and it was made illegal as part of an agreement with the Guardians. The PTO goes around it but other organisations wouldn't want to get there hands dirty and so reduces the amount of opponents the Green Lanterns have to fight, this setting may also have a knock on effect of a far larger Green Lantern Corps and the Corps being closer to good factions such as New Genesis. Hilariously the Guardians might actually be on better terms with the Controllers in this setting.
With the Guardians getting them onboard with the laws is likely where a lot of the protections for sapients came from. If it used to be legal to purge them and it was made illegal as part of an agreement with the Guardians. The PTO goes around it but other organisations wouldn't want to get there hands dirty and so reduces the amount of opponents the Green Lanterns have to fight, this setting may also have a knock on effect of a far larger Green Lantern Corps and the Corps being closer to good factions such as New Genesis. Hilariously the Guardians might actually be on better terms with the Controllers in this setting.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
If he went there right now maybe, but he's already been sent on a second purge, I think him being a criminal is going to come out before he go to Earth, and once he's a criminal, the Green Lantern can arrest him, and let the courts make the decisions.
Where upon Kal-El beat him up, take the deed, and send Tarble to prison.
Superman has been confined by the author to be on Earth, and unless Tarble go super-saiyan, he's not on the levels that superman fight on.
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Goku was not sent to Earth to conquer it. Radditz misunderstood his mother when she told him that Goku had been sent to Earth.
In original dragon ball kakarot(goku) was an embarassment to saiyan race with 2 power level. For saiyans power is everything, so they send the weak kids to very weak planets in the hopes that they either wipe the world of its population to sell or die trying. I never said anything about conquering and am not sure what you mean by Radditz misunderstanding.
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Well, you said that since Earth was Tarble's, he would be sent to another planet to wipe clean. But he wasn't sent to Earth to wipe it clean in the first place.
The only reason we previously thought that Goku had been sent to Earth to conquer it (or wipe it clean, same thing) was because Radditz said that Goku was supposed to do it. The only reason Radditz actually knew Goku was there was because Gine told him they had sent him to Earth until it'd be safe to pick him up again.
Radditz misunderstood Gine.
The only reason we previously thought that Goku had been sent to Earth to conquer it (or wipe it clean, same thing) was because Radditz said that Goku was supposed to do it. The only reason Radditz actually knew Goku was there was because Gine told him they had sent him to Earth until it'd be safe to pick him up again.
Radditz misunderstood Gine.
