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Would probably need Apate's help with a plan like that. Unfortunately, they're loyal to the Winnower and Gardener.
An act where we temporarily empower the Guardian to kill the Conceptuals is an option.
Gods of Creation (Riot God Quest)
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SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
Hey @Mannan, how much would this act need to pass?
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[] Spirit Courts
Just as the living are unified in groups by Civilization and Culture, all types of ethereal creatures (from natives of the Reverse Side to word wisps, heart imps, land spirits, curses and any other type of lingering souls) will be considered Spirits and unified under the Spirit Courts.
Culturally, Spirits will adhere to a rigid set of rules of conduct as a result of their constant contact with Xenia. However, their societal structure isn't inflexible, with Challenges being an acceptable way to resolve disputes and rise in ranks.
Societally, spirits organize in small groups or "courts" around a similar but more stable Spirit (with more determination or an older soul), this is the Spirit Lord. In turn, Spirit Lords organize around a Baron, many Barons around a Viscount, Viscounts around a Earl and Earls around a Duke. At the top a few Kings lead them.
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Hm, given how effective Narrative was in making the three of Law discard their original plans, given how the rules of narrative, fate, and luck resonated sufficiently with them, it is something to consider.
The narrative and fate that could be invoked here is that of mortals growing to the point they surpass these old gods, the Concepts in this case, with the Old Gods being fated to fall and fade away, an obstacle for the mortals to surmount.
If it incorporates themes of growth, diversity, and complexity, as civilizations advance and develop in a multitude of ways to explore paths for finally defeating and destroying the Concepts, it might resonate with the Gardener.
The twilight of the Concepts would cause both hope and despair, so it could resonate with Hope and Despair.
Striving to defeat and destroy the Concepts could also be sign, framed as a rebellion. It might somehow resonate with Rebellion.
The problem is Horizon. Some more thought needs to be given as to how it could resonate with Horizon.
The narrative and fate that could be invoked here is that of mortals growing to the point they surpass these old gods, the Concepts in this case, with the Old Gods being fated to fall and fade away, an obstacle for the mortals to surmount.
If it incorporates themes of growth, diversity, and complexity, as civilizations advance and develop in a multitude of ways to explore paths for finally defeating and destroying the Concepts, it might resonate with the Gardener.
The twilight of the Concepts would cause both hope and despair, so it could resonate with Hope and Despair.
Striving to defeat and destroy the Concepts could also be sign, framed as a rebellion. It might somehow resonate with Rebellion.
The problem is Horizon. Some more thought needs to be given as to how it could resonate with Horizon.
dgr11897
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I would like to say that there are... Problems, with killing Horizon. They're too deeply integrated with both The Horizon, and the Canvas as a whole, killing them would probably do very bad things to the structure of reality.
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Well, perhaps Horizon could be excluded, if such is the case.
Although, if so, once the other Concepts are all dead, perhaps something could be done about Dominion, considering the deleterious effects of Horizon's Dominion regarding space travel, travel between the universe and the Primeval Night, and travel between the observed and Reverse Sides.
Hm, well, I could potentially remove Apate's loyalty to the Gardener and Winnower, unchain her so that her only directive would be her ambitions and advancing herself. Someone else could then borrow Apate for their act in destroying the Concepts. It does rather depend upon how Apate would react if I removed the drive of aiding the Gardener and Winnower in advancing their agendas, though.
Although, if so, once the other Concepts are all dead, perhaps something could be done about Dominion, considering the deleterious effects of Horizon's Dominion regarding space travel, travel between the universe and the Primeval Night, and travel between the observed and Reverse Sides.
Hm, well, I could potentially remove Apate's loyalty to the Gardener and Winnower, unchain her so that her only directive would be her ambitions and advancing herself. Someone else could then borrow Apate for their act in destroying the Concepts. It does rather depend upon how Apate would react if I removed the drive of aiding the Gardener and Winnower in advancing their agendas, though.
SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
Yeah, guess that's what I'll do. Hopefully it works out with my spirit court
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Well, I suppose that there is something to be said for the idea of doing nothing and letting the Guardian ready itself to devour them.
I just hope that Apate is not caught in that crossfire. If there is such a risk, then I may have to remove her loyalty to the Gardener and Winnower regardless, for her own sake.
I just hope that Apate is not caught in that crossfire. If there is such a risk, then I may have to remove her loyalty to the Gardener and Winnower regardless, for her own sake.
How is this supposed to work?
Like brainwashing them to form into courts or influencing them to start forming those types of civilization
Oh a super mastermind whose only directive is to advance herself and her ambitions. What could possibly go wrong?
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A Machiavellian mastermind weaving endlessly complex intrigues solely to advance herself sounds quite entertaining, as a matter of fact, despite or perhaps because of the consequences.
SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
Less brainwashing and more a subtle nudge? Was thinking about how lions and hyenas form packs with similar social structures regardless of previous contact with other members of their race. Something about their nature influences them to organize more or less in this way.
I don't mind if the end result is not exactly like this. Just that they tend towards this sort of result. This sort of influence should work better with the less intelligent sort too.
It is going to have to do some modification to them because Lions and Hyenas are one thing but those groupings of individuals are quite a bit more diffirent.
For example Land SPirits are already collections of lesser land spirits who are in turn representative of the societies they embody.
For example Land SPirits are already collections of lesser land spirits who are in turn representative of the societies they embody.
SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
Sure, I'm more about the overall ideia than the precise execution. Just tell me if you need me to alter the wording of the act. Oh, and the number of votes it needs.
The easiest way would be modifying things so all those ethereal phenomena become a singular type of being categorized as "spirit" with every sub type becoming a sub-species.
So the new race has proclivity towards organizing towards spirit courts.
That would be Cosmic, because of just the sheer size of it.
Otherwise it needs to be an outside force forming the formation of that societal structure,
So the new race has proclivity towards organizing towards spirit courts.
That would be Cosmic, because of just the sheer size of it.
Otherwise it needs to be an outside force forming the formation of that societal structure,
SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
That sounds nice, though expensive in votes.
Like some great Emperor or something? A leader which will force them to organize like this?
You know what? I think we shouldn't do any cosmic purges or world-shaking godslayings this turn. In fact, I think we should just let them go and create something new and unrelated to anything else.
These last few Eras seem underwhelming not because our creations are flawed or because Mannan is an evil QM. It is because most of our Acts were solutions to problems, and the only satisfaction we could receive from them was seeing the wrongs righted. But as we've seen repeatedly, solving these problems either doesn't have a lasting impact or leads to new issues demanding our attention. Destroying everything is not a way to break this vicious cycle.
So let's forget about the Winnower, the Greater Nine, and the Guardian, allow them to play around, and continue our collaborative worldbuilding in peace.
These last few Eras seem underwhelming not because our creations are flawed or because Mannan is an evil QM. It is because most of our Acts were solutions to problems, and the only satisfaction we could receive from them was seeing the wrongs righted. But as we've seen repeatedly, solving these problems either doesn't have a lasting impact or leads to new issues demanding our attention. Destroying everything is not a way to break this vicious cycle.
So let's forget about the Winnower, the Greater Nine, and the Guardian, allow them to play around, and continue our collaborative worldbuilding in peace.
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SleepyCaterpilar
Just a Rapariga
[] Spirit Courts
All ethereal creatures (from natives of the Reverse Side to word wisps, heart imps, land spirits, curses and any other type of lingering souls) are now subtypes of Spirits and unified under the Spirit Courts.
Naturally, all Spirits are ethereal creatures with a connection to the Reverse Side and a weakness to Experience Salt (it could destabilize their form or even banish them from the material plane).
Culturally, Spirits will adhere to a rigid set of rules of conduct as a result of their constant contact with Xenia. However, their societal structure isn't inflexible, with Challenges being an acceptable way to resolve disputes and rise in ranks.
Societally, spirits organize in small groups or "courts" around a similar but more stable Spirit (with more determination or an older soul), this is the Spirit Lord. In turn, Spirit Lords organize around a Baron, Barons around a Viscount, Viscounts around a Earl and Earls around a Duke. At the top a few Kings lead them.
All ethereal creatures (from natives of the Reverse Side to word wisps, heart imps, land spirits, curses and any other type of lingering souls) are now subtypes of Spirits and unified under the Spirit Courts.
Naturally, all Spirits are ethereal creatures with a connection to the Reverse Side and a weakness to Experience Salt (it could destabilize their form or even banish them from the material plane).
Culturally, Spirits will adhere to a rigid set of rules of conduct as a result of their constant contact with Xenia. However, their societal structure isn't inflexible, with Challenges being an acceptable way to resolve disputes and rise in ranks.
Societally, spirits organize in small groups or "courts" around a similar but more stable Spirit (with more determination or an older soul), this is the Spirit Lord. In turn, Spirit Lords organize around a Baron, Barons around a Viscount, Viscounts around a Earl and Earls around a Duke. At the top a few Kings lead them.
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You could probably discount it by having one of the Concepts do it.
Structure would probably be best, take all the ethereal beings and restructure them as Spirits with laws and instincts and the like.
It would lower it to Stellar.
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Well, I was thinking of recreating the Palette, but even with the Concepts blocked from overt action, I am not sure if the Palette would be safe.
Otherwise, if one is content to let the Guardian deal with the Concepts, hm, for the theme of civilizations, there is still the idea of creating a candy realm along with denizens in the Reverse Side. Perhaps the name of Candorath.
Otherwise, if one is content to let the Guardian deal with the Concepts, hm, for the theme of civilizations, there is still the idea of creating a candy realm along with denizens in the Reverse Side. Perhaps the name of Candorath.
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Ok, I think I will go with something simple like world tour. I hope it counts as part of Civilization theme.
[] Cultured Minds
Goddess Eirsa embarks on a tour to many different parts of reality, where sentient beings live. She wants to demonstrate the beauty and usefulness of different arts, crafts, laws and ideas to various civilizations, and even introduce something new and interesting to the people to foster the creation of diverse and unique societies throughout the universe. In some places, Eirsa sings among the best, in others she arranges lectures for the curious, or writes books and leaves them for people with the potential to read and be inspired, or even start correspondence with the most talented and passionate ones around. Topics of her tours are broad: from painting and sculpting, to politics, philosophy, and natural sciences. And each appearance, each part of this journey is crafted to affect specific types of people, of species and civilizations, with their different cultures and perspectives, toward better outcomes, with a benevolent and thoughtful attitude. An angel has descended into the world, and she wants to sow the seeds of civilization wherever she goes.
We still can do it later. If the next theme is Destruction, for example. I would vote for such cataclysm with pretty high probability.
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Well the Palette was not made through divine fiat.
It is a technological marvel created through divine machination.
So the knowledge to re-create the palette is within the means of mortals. Heck the knowledge for it is stored within the Law of Axioms.
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I guess we won't be cleaning the slate then. Frustrating when that feels like the obvious solution by this point. But I guess we'll just have to see how it goes and reap what we sow.
I'll be making the Temple of Not then.
[] The Temple of Not
The temple of Not is a seemingly unfinished structure with walls of pitch-black stone, with five vast empty halls. The walls are constantly shifting and covered with faint half-formed symbols and patterns off incomplete Truths that fade as soon as they are noticed. It is a place where visitors hear whispers of unfinished words, resonating with the unspoken Truths they carry within themselves. It's more a place of meditation than it is of worship. Though to Not, there is little difference. Those who meditate here will find it much easier to advance their understanding of any Truth, personal or otherwise. The temple halls becomes more useful the more solidified and singular your Truth is and the less people who are meditating at once.
I'll be making the Temple of Not then.
[] The Temple of Not
The temple of Not is a seemingly unfinished structure with walls of pitch-black stone, with five vast empty halls. The walls are constantly shifting and covered with faint half-formed symbols and patterns off incomplete Truths that fade as soon as they are noticed. It is a place where visitors hear whispers of unfinished words, resonating with the unspoken Truths they carry within themselves. It's more a place of meditation than it is of worship. Though to Not, there is little difference. Those who meditate here will find it much easier to advance their understanding of any Truth, personal or otherwise. The temple halls becomes more useful the more solidified and singular your Truth is and the less people who are meditating at once.
Hmm, maybe the young smith will try out life as a mortal, creating two vessels, one for an amount of his soul and his perspective, sent down to be adopted by a kyoniji clan, and one to hold everything else set to autopilot using his memories, especially those of souls made after defeating the person who tainted the sand.