Puppetmaster24
The Crux Mechanicus
Oh that's your solution to everything!
You won't even try the sacred machine unguents!
Ghost of a Chance (Worm X Ghost in the Shell)
- Thread starter Seclorum
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You won't even try the sacred machine unguents!
Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
- Location
- Virginia
Of course not. Those are for real problems, not your plebeian complaints.
...Besides, they uh, won't let me have any after what happened last time.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Which incident?
The one with the Dreadnought, Land Raider, Imperator-class Titan, or the Sword-class Frigate?
Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
- Location
- Virginia
...Unfortunately, the Magos declared the incident in question above Top Secret. It's so secret, I don't even know what I did. Or remember doing it. They just keep telling me I'm not allowed to do things because of "that thing you did."
Shadowofdeath
DUKE OF DEATH
- Location
- North Las Vegas Nevada
Scion is death for he is entity
Scion is life.
Scion is love.
- Location
- Phillips County, Colorado
I recall those. It was speculated that he was using bronze rounds - that's about the only way you get that sort of impact from something that's visibly just an Uzi knock-off. Over-load the rounds, armor-piercing pointed (like a pencil) slugs, and they tear the shit out of your gun. Once the battle's over, your armorer looks at you with a pissed expression, throws the Uzi into a trashcan and charges you for a replacement.
- Location
- Erebus
One should put no other gods before Scion, for he is a jealous god...
No, seriously, his personality and physical description are lifted right out of the passages on Seraphim(daniel 10:6) and the Ziz Leviathan and Behemoth are from the Torrah as well.
He's even got the beginning and the end part going as the source and destroyer of parahumans and architect of the apocalypse.
I wonder if that was done consciously or by accident?
He's even got the beginning and the end part going as the source and destroyer of parahumans and architect of the apocalypse.
I wonder if that was done consciously or by accident?
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Tachikoma's Aunt
Priestess of Yog-Sothoth
- Location
- Variable
In practice, that's probably going to boil down to making the siphon incapable of drawing more than the bare minimum the implants need to function and making damn sure the subject knows that they need more carbs in their diet. And possibly some gene therapy to tweak the insulin pathways.
Like I said, the New England states are part of the Ameri-Soviet Union too. I just didn't feel like typing them out state by state given how many others I had to do. Personally, I think it would also work if they had Washington, but not Wisconsin or the half of Michigan above it. After all, Michigan's not contiguous. But yeah, GitS North America makes no bloody sense in canon. Unless you resort to certain tin-foil hat conspiracy theories and / or hidden crossovers.
Yeah, I didn't mention those. NY, PA, NJ, MD, and DE are not New England.
Stahor
BookWorm
- Location
- Russia, Moscow
I'm sure it's pure fictional ammo - nothing real will move you backwards or leave craters in armored van.
- Location
- Erebus
Hollow point rounds and shotgun slugs(not pellet or shot) will knock you off your feet from even 30 yards and Armor piercing rounds can put those holes on the armored car.
Rounds that do BOTH OTOH, I can't think of any. Certainly not ones that would fit in the Uzi he's using. Not unless it was a mini-railgun.
Tachikoma's Aunt
Priestess of Yog-Sothoth
- Location
- Variable
Yeah, I can think of a few propellant mixes that could in theory impart enough kinetic energy on a 9mm bullet to do that sort of damage but how the fuck you'd get them stable enough to not have them all cook off at once simply from the impact of loading the magazine into the weapon is beyond me.
- Location
- Wales
You don't in the anime his gun breaks soon after that scene. Even if it is made from an alloy from 20 year in the future the parts warp from the heat and it jams
- Location
- Erebus
If the gun were electronicsly fired instead of an impact charge you could use c4 crystals (you crush them and add putty for plastic explosive). You'd need better metal for the barrel, but they exist for other types of weapons, so you could probably scale it down to an Uzi
And let someone else fire it.
A chopped g3 is scary enough.
A chopped g3 is scary enough.
- Location
- Wales
This propellant probably would only work in a 9mm or lower calibre c4 is energetic as all heck the whole charge would only need to be the size of the ignition primer in regular bullets
- Location
- Erebus
I'd say at least twice that size, we're trying to impart alot of kinetic energy here and GitS cyborg enhancements everyone has takes out most of the problem with recoil messing your aim.
Sides, having a smaller cartridge means you can fit more bullets into a magazine.
Tachikoma's Aunt
Priestess of Yog-Sothoth
- Location
- Variable
Yeah, but it's important to remember that the films are in many ways the lowest tech incarnations of the franchise. In SAC, everyone and their mother has guns that are designed to fire HV ammo without difficult. And since GitS!Taylor's nanotech seems to indicate that her power is replicating the techbase of a GitS continuity at least a couple decades* more advanced than that. . .
That actually explains a lot. The guns we see used by Section 9 in SAC and the Manga are all very small caliber, and the damage profiles of the larger machine guns / autocanon (such as the ones mounted on attack helicopters) don't seem to be much higher than what we use IRL.
*EDIT: Actually, significantly more than that. The rate her miracle grow regenerates flesh at is outright thermo-dynamics breaking. Or rather, the fact the waste heat from that level of rapid cell division isn't literally cooking the tissue it's being used on is.
Honestly, miracle grow is a bit of of BSOD because GitS is an extremely hard SF setting, and this is the sort of tapioca-soft technobabble I'd expect out of Star Trek. I mean yeah, it's a crossover with Worm so some physics breaking BS is inevitable, but I think the story would be much better if Chroma's tech was actually kept somewhat consistent with the source material. Seriously, @Seclorum you really derped on this one.
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- Location
- Queensland, Australia
On the heat-dispersion issue, I wouldn't be surprised if the nanotech is primarily powered by a thermal engine of some sort, thus lowering the amount of heat effectively generated... that said, it probably a case of it happens slower than the story says it does 
Or at least, that's what my SoD-Glasses say
Or at least, that's what my SoD-Glasses say
- Location
- Erebus
Well, if it's cell division, then yes, that could likely be an issue, but we're using nanites here to shortcut things. Most of the time that goes into division is building the duplicate structures and most of the heat from atp catalisation to power the enzymes that do the work. If nanites are used as a shortcut you take out most of the time and the heat.Honestly, miracle grow is a bit of of BSOD because GitS is an extremely hard SF setting, and this is the sort of tapioca-soft technobabble I'd expect out of Star Trek. I mean yeah, it's a crossover with Worm so some physics breaking BS is inevitable, but I think the story would be much better if Chroma's tech was actually kept somewhat consistent with the source material. Seriously, @Seclorum you really derped on this one.
The real problem here is the question of where the mass was coming from. Taylor's body wasn't described as having much fat and the speed at which it would need to be deconstructed and moved exceeds digestion by a massive margin and the nanotechnology angle saignificantly as well. The amount of paste offered doesn't explain the mass either. Unless Taylor's shard is helping the tech on with a matter transfer system...
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Tachikoma's Aunt
Priestess of Yog-Sothoth
- Location
- Variable
Good point on the heat dispersion. I was assuming that the nanos were just hijacking the existing biochemical mechanisms--I'm something of an amateur synthetic biologist, so I tend to jump straight towards the biological solution for this sort of thing because that's what I'm used to working with.
And yeah, conservation of mass is also an issue--although it's worth noting the nanos could conceivably be denser than biological tissue and include the needed materials as part of their structure and we don't know A) how much grey goo was actually applied (just that a butter knife was used) or B) how much the body's mass increased from the healing. It didn't sound like there was much mass missing other than Chroma's brain, so most of the new tissue could have used the old dead tissue as raw materials.
In any case, even if this level of performance can be explained without breaking physics (still not convinced on that, just no longer rejecting it out of hand), this is still definitely orders of magnitude more sophisticated than anything we see GitS nanotech do in any continuity.
- Location
- Erebus
operating on Cthulhu tech; hard science that would break your puny Mind to go beyond basic concepts.