Game Theory (Nanoha fanfic)

Arkeus said:
The thing is, Tea is one of those rare powerful mage that can't fly well even though they are high rank in sheer power, which brought down her rank for a long time.
Sorry, where are you getting this? Source, please. She and Subaru couldn't fly because they were B-rank. You're claiming that she's high-power, and not offering any evidence, when "average power, but skilled" fits the observed evidence much better. Unless you can back up what you're saying, I'm not buying it.
 
Aleph said:
Sorry, where are you getting this? Source, please. She and Subaru couldn't fly because they were B-rank. You're claiming that she's high-power, and not offering any evidence, when "average power, but skilled" fits the observed evidence much better. Unless you can back up what you're saying, I'm not buying it.
Actually , if Teena is of average (as oppose to top 90 or 99 Percentile) , in terms of power , arguably , anyone who applies him or herself hard enough can starlight Breaker a whole Battle-field. Because she did that four years arfter Striker S , though I know you are not considering Vivid canon here.

More reasonably I think , she could be a mage on roughly equal power levels as Chrono. It's just that both of them are comparing themselves not with C , D and B rankers , but with S and SS rankers , because that's the circles they move in and take their point of reference in. They are above average , lower tiered monsters, who can match outright broken monsters like Fate and Nanoha through skill. That could be one way you play it.

Again , what are your planned distributions for Mage ranks across the TSAB population (what percentile is a B ranker , A Ranker ,S , etc), and TSAB's Population levels (billions per core world , Tens of billions all together?)

By the way , both of you have done quite alot of good world-building so far. It's really interesting , which is why these debates are breaking out (=.
 
Andmeuths said:
Again , what are your planned distributions for Mage ranks across the TSAB population (what percentile is a B ranker , A Ranker ,S , etc)
Aren't they making the point that the answer is 'it depends'? Since rank is partly determined by talent for skill, partly by talent for raw power, and mostly by time sunk into training?


An administrated world which institutes a draft and say a mandatory three years quality training with regular reserve call-ups will have a far larger percentage in the higher levels than an administrated world that only takes volunteers. It depends very much on the world.
 
Andmeuths said:
Actually , if Teena is of average (as oppose to top 90 or 99 Percentile) , in terms of power , arguably , anyone who applies him or herself hard enough can starlight Breaker a whole Battle-field. Because she did that four years arfter Striker S , though I know you are not considering Vivid canon here.
Starlight Breaker is actually an interesting case, because it is a spell that precisely cares far, far more about your skill and control than it does your raw linker core output. It uses ambient magic, and charges up from that; a sufficiently skilled mage with a good Device should be able to pull of a Starlight Breaker at a much lower rank than what they'd need to be able to generate it themselves.


It is, in fact, a wonderful spell for Tea, because it plays to her personal strengths (control, shooting, turning the battlefield to your advantage) even more than it does Nanoha.
 
Andmeuths said:
Again , what are your planned distributions for Mage ranks across the TSAB population (what percentile is a B ranker , A Ranker ,S , etc), and TSAB's Population levels (billions per core world , Tens of billions all together?)
Gosu said:
Aren't they making the point that the answer is 'it depends'? Since rank is partly determined by talent for skill, partly by talent for raw power, and mostly by time sunk into training?
Indeed. That said, C-D rank is the average, with B-ranks being "uncommon" and A-ranks being "rare". Of course, there are a lot of mages, so A-ranks are still fairly numerous. It's just that, while most people can theoretically get there, it requires the same amount of effort one might put into playing a sport professionally. You have to really work for it, and for most civilians... there's just no reason to put that much effort into it. Not when C-D rank is all you need for everyday life.
EarthScorpion said:
Starlight Breaker... is, in fact, a wonderful spell for Tea, because it plays to her personal strengths (control, shooting, turning the battlefield to your advantage) even more than it does Nanoha.
She also gets bonuses to cast it through her Tsundere Initiation, as long as she's doing it at, or in defence of, her crush. :D
 
green-link94 said:
I just remembered this but there is a reason why the average in the armed forces is C-D rank it's because there aren't enough skilled instrutors.

Around 9:00 and forwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN1HMZNHwg0&feature=related
Yeah. A interdimensional space federation which has the funds to pursue massive cloning/cyborgisation projects on their black budget has 100 full time trainers attached to their Armed Forces, and relies on part-timers to cover the shortage. Rather than, you know, hiring more.

lolno.

I am fairly sure that will be put down to scale fail, and never spoken of again.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Yeah. A interdimensional space federation which has the funds to pursue massive cloning/cyborgisation projects on their black budget has 100 full time trainers attached to their Armed Forces, and relies on part-timers to cover the shortage. Rather than, you know, hiring more.


lolno.


I am fairly sure that will be put down to scale fail, and never spoken of again.
Agreed. That makes no sense at all. At minimum , if the TSAB has tens of billions of citizens , their armies might range into the millions , if not tens of millions. I'd expect instructors approaching the level of at least 100 000 if not more. The only problem is , Dimensional Space is huge . Really , really huge. The TSAB has to police worlds with billions , with a fraction of the numbers necessary to police such a population.


On the other hand , there is the issue of one to one Instructors. Riot Force Six is unusual (as is Chrono's case) in that these mages are receiving personal instruction from the best instructors.


I'd assume that many A rankers who work their way up from C or D have the benefit of personal trainers , or at least small group training.


Still , there are no doubt thousands , if not tens of thousands of A rankers.


I think the best person to compare Teena to for reference will be Chrono.


Indeed , what are the compositions of a Rank? Certainly , there's a difference between Potential Rank and Actual Rank , and I'm hoping that the authors will take that into consideration. Furthermore , it seems that you have a conceptual frame-work of Rank being comprise of several things , ranging from Mana Pool , to Power , to Skill , Casting and movement speed, evasion ability and general Combat ability.


Which makes me wonder: why is the TSAB suffering from shortages ? Is it mostly due to the lack of good mages? Or perhaps the inherent political structure and problems within the TSAB makes it difficult for them to harness the full potential of their population , and equipping Mage Armies are extremely expensive , even by TSAB standards.


Yup , LosTech in the Battletech/Mechwarrior sense seems to be quite strong theme that you are exploring - or at least , that's how I'm reading your comments. Corect me if I'm wrong. :cool:
 
EarthScorpion said:
(Incidentally, llamas have only been domesticated on three of the type-1a worlds known about, and there is no evidence that the Alhazredians ever domesticated the llama. True fact.)
Out of curiosity, what is the most bizarre animal that has been domesticated within the known dimensions?
 
Sigh please look at what alia says at 9:08-9:12 specifically A special team of instructors.

They are not all intructors they are the most skilled Nanoha becomes a part of them later on the average instructor are probably like the one who teaches Subaru and Teana when they join the armed forces in the manga.
 
green-link94 said:
Sigh please look at what alia says at 9:08-9:12 specifically A special team of instructors.
They are not all intructors they are the most skilled Nanoha becomes a part of them later on the average instructor are probably like the one who teaches Subaru and Teana when they join the armed forces in the manga.
Pretty much what he said. Nanoha is not part of the regular training corps - the TI/DIs we see teaching at the various academies in the manga. She is part of the Aerial Tactical Instructor Corps which is some sort of elite branch of the Training Corps. IIRC they have the nickname Aggressors or something along those lines.
 
A casual conversation in the the Nanoha discussion thread gave this:

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This is very distinctively a a replica of the M16 rifle (or possibly a real M16), the gun magazine is also clearly apparent. It takes place in Ruwella in Nanoha Force ch. 01.
Ruwella (ルヴェラ Ruvera) is TSAB-administrated world No. 23. It is featured prominently in the first chapters of Force, since it is where Touma Avenir meets Lily Strosek.

Ruwella is a "cultural reservation area", meaning that it is generally devoid of magic and advanced technology of any sort, instead dedicated to the "good old lifestyle" similar to the one on Earth. Unlike on Earth, however, residents of Ruwella are well aware of the existence of magic, and interdimensional communication (and probably travel) is possible via churches.
Both the appearance of the weapon and the fact that the world is almost magic free suggest that it is indeed a rifle that shoots normal bullets. Thus the ban of mass based weapons at least doesn't include small arms.

Of course, when it comes to writing fanfic, one should be free to mold the universe to their needs to some extent.
 
Khaos said:
A casual conversation in the the Nanoha discussion thread gave this:

(snip img)

This is very distinctively a a replica of the M16 rifle (or possibly a real M16), the gun magazine is also clearly apparent. It takes place in Ruwella in Nanoha Force ch. 01.



Both the appearance of the weapon and the fact that the world is almost magic free suggest that it is indeed a rifle that shoots normal bullets. Thus the ban of mass based weapons at least doesn't include small arms.

Of course, when it comes to writing fanfic, one should be free to mold the universe to their needs to some extent.
No, it doesn't suggest that at all--the world being "generally devoid of magic" does not mean that magic somehow doesn't work at all. (Touma's ID is working just fine, after all.) I forget the context of that scene; is that a TSAB operation? If so, it's far more likely that it's a Storage Device that uses a rifle form factor due to its suitability for, well, shooting things. If it's not a TSAB operation, then it's slightly more likely, but still doubtful--considering it's probably much easier to get your hands on a military SD than a mass weapon, and less likely to get you thrown in jail as well. (The fact that it looks like an M16 can be chalked up to artist laziness.)
 
It's "devoid of magic" as in "non-magic based solutions are often used", my point was that those guns are probably non magical are allowed with TSAB administered worlds. The fact is that "mass-based weapons" has never been clearly defined by Nanoha cannon and that the picture above seems too indicated they are allowed.

Artist laziness is possible, but the it's nothing more than your personal interpretation.
 
I applaud your research-fu. However...
Khaos said:
It takes place in Ruwella in Nanoha Force ch. 01.
... I'm ignoring Force, which utterly and completely failed to interest me in any way, and doing something much more fun with the plotline when I get to that point in the timeline.


And with a bit of luck, you'll trust me enough by then that I won't even get lynched for it! :D
 
Aleph said:
I applaud your research-fu. However...



... I'm ignoring Force, which utterly and completely failed to interest me in any way, and doing something much more fun with the plotline when I get to that point in the timeline.


And with a bit of luck, you'll trust me enough by then that I won't even get lynched for it! :D
Haha, why do you think ti took me so long to come up with this, it because I'm mostly ignoring Force too :D:D:D
 
Aleph said:
I applaud your research-fu. However...



... I'm ignoring Force, which utterly and completely failed to interest me in any way, and doing something much more fun with the plotline when I get to that point in the timeline.


And with a bit of luck, you'll trust me enough by then that I won't even get lynched for it! :D
Based on the first few chapters, I certainly believe you are capable enough of that. Indeed, I wonder how you would pivot down that end. considering that the plot would have crossed original territory probably as soon as Hayate masters the book of Darkness. Have you considered also posting this up on the Nanoha Animesuki Fanfiction thread for even more responses?


On another matter: will you consider material from the Battle of Aces?
 
Andmeuths said:
On another matter: will you consider material from the Battle of Aces?
*Crosses fingers and wishes very hard*

The world needs more Material. Remember: The L is for Love, the S is for Superior Firepower, and the D is the D in Total Destruction.

(Doesn't quite fit the tune, though, I admit... T is for Tank, and T is for Terror, and K is the K for Killing In Error... [related])
 
Andmeuths said:
Based on the first few chapters, I certainly believe you are capable enough of that. Indeed, I wonder how you would pivot down that end. considering that the plot would have crossed original territory probably as soon as Hayate masters the book of Darkness.
*smirk*
Andmeuths said:
Have you considered also posting this up on the Nanoha Animesuki Fanfiction thread for even more responses?
... huh. Uh... no, I hadn't. Though I might, now. Hmm.
Andmeuths said:
On another matter: will you consider material from the Battle of Aces?
Jonen C said:
*Crosses fingers and wishes very hard*
Well, had you not asked that, the answer would likely have been "no". What's Battle of Aces?
 
See here.

Mostly notable: The evil twins of Fate, Nanoha and Hayate (Material L, S and D respectively).

EDIT:
Happy family meal time
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Various (Alicia has TWO little-big-sisters!)
/post/show/672104/

L is for Love
/post/show/726985/
/post/show/726986/
/post/show/726987/

Coffee
/post/show/679497/
 
Jonen C said:
... that's hilarious for reasons that I can't say anything about because of
.


Suffice it to say, my pre-planned plotline won't be changing.


...


*breaks into a fit of malevolent giggling*


Oh, and how do I use the /post links there? I assume they come after a standard URL?
 
Get yourself to the Danbooru front page and add the /post/etc and presto!

Severe warning for NSFW content (EDIT: and ads), which is why no direct links.

EDIT:
L IS LOVE:
/post/show/1029395/
/post/show/821339/
/post/show/804814/

S: Target acquired.
L: Roger!
/post/show/826664/

D is the King, and they are her vassals.
/post/show/855304/
 
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