Just put her out past the wall. The shado-pan can't really bring their full force to bear (ha!) out there and between her and whatever sha she's accidentally called up I can see her surviving. Another possibility is Northrend. You could easily have them be survivors of Arthas' expedition.
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Just put her out past the wall. The shado-pan can't really bring their full force to bear (ha!) out there and between her and whatever sha she's accidentally called up I can see her surviving. Another possibility is Northrend. You could easily have them be survivors of Arthas' expedition.
ThatOnePsycho
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The other side of the wall? You mean the side full of genocidal bugs hell bent on murdering everything that's not one of them? That side?
Are you guys looking for ways for me to kill off WY? It's not like the Manids sleep in between each Swarming, they're still incredibly active.
Yes, I could have had them have been part of Arthas's expedition, I could have also have had them be part of the Army of the Light, or a million other places. But I wanted them in Outland. Why does everyone seem against that idea? Nobody has given me an answer beyond 'but monk Yang!'
EDIT: Sorry if I'm a bit snippy, it just feels like every time Fur comes up either here or on SB, I'm defending some decision I made. It kinda kills my intrest in writing it, because I know I'll have another argument on hand soon.
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It's not that I dislike the idea of them being on outland, it's just that the reasoning for not choosing Pandaria was flawed and I didn't want you basing your choices on that. Also the Yaungol areas are beyond the wall too.
ThatOnePsycho
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Pretty much. Being a monk is more than punching things. Monks infuse themselves with the fifth Element (please don't make the obvious joke) Spirit/Wilds/Chi* and spend years training on how to use it properly. This is also why Pandaland is capable of keeping the Sha from appearing outside of a few isolated incidents. Yang doesn't really have the temperament to channel Chi. Even Ruby had to mellow way the hell out over the course of her training.
As a Warrior on the other hand... can you imagine how stoked Yang would be to be the Champion of Odyn amd be able to hang around what is essentially Valhalla? Booze, brawls, and food as far as the eye can see?
In terms of classes, Yang is a warrior, Ruby is a shaman (captain obvious here), Weiss is *spoilered*, Blake is... I'm not sure yet but I'm leaning Rogue, Xia is a monk, Crocbait is *spoilers* and Anduin is a hunter (Remember when Anduin loved hunting? I do). Oh, who's Xia? Well, you'll meet her next chapter. It's a amnesiac Summer
*This means they draw their power in a way that makes them kinda like gimped Shaman, though Shaman themselves rarely use Wilds, and speaking with it is the last test before someone is recognized as a full fledged Shaman.
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In the Q&A of the Blizzcon, they denied that Anduin became a Paladin and confirmed he was still a Priest but reminded that as Prince he was trained in several martial arts, including archery. A bit the inverse of Tyrande who had her formation of prietress and a no-fighting one before getting a serious martial training later in her life. (Well, her case was more learn to be a soldier and a military leader or die)
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ThatOnePsycho
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You seem to have missed what I was saying. As I've said, while things are starting close to canon, things are going to ripple. One of those things is that Anduin may, or may not, end up deciding he wants to be a priest in this continuity.
He's going to be surrounded with a hodgepodge of faiths once Varian is unfragmented. Crocbait has (kinda) found religion, Broll worships Elune, Ruby is, of course, a shaman. Andl the there's the fact that he'll have a lot more role models, which will also shape his decisions.
I'd have put her as a mage, just for the lulz. Honestly though, doesn't having an unlocked aura (light of the soul) basically make them all paladins anyway? The only other thing it could really be is chi, and that would have made them monks by default.... Aren't they just multi-classing?
ThatOnePsycho
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No. Just about everyone in Pandaria has some skill with Chi, it's how they keep the Sha under control and why Pandarian elementals are (normally) fairly passive, but that doesn't mean they're monks. so, Wilds/Life/Chi is, more than anything, a way to communicate. Just because you have a soul and can use it doesn't make you a monk. That's why everyone going 'she should be a monk' is so annoying, she might have the superficial resemblance, but so does Rehgar, Zur'ak and Ruby. They all can hit things with Wind and Spirit augmented punches, Rehgar specializes in it, they meditate, but they aren't monks.
Listen, the intricacies of being a monk is annoying, but having Aura and hitting things isn't enough. There's a mental component, and the idea you should be very respective to the masters. That's why Xia is so good at it. Not remembering jack does that.
Just, trust me on this. I have a very good reason for what I'm doing.
Spirit is how Shaman heal, they use the Wilds to allow them to commune with the Elements. A Shaman can forgo this method to use the Sixth Element, Decay. While a regular Shaman asks, a Dark Shaman forces the Elements to serve, twisting and corrupting them. Fire becomes ashes, life becomes Fel (which is why Fel is Aura users kryptonite, it's the equivalent of trying to stop a fire with gasoline). Druids also tap into it, as they draw their powers from the Emerald Dream, the blueprint of creating left by Eonar.
Paladins are even further away. When people talk about 'the Light' they aren't talking about some vague thing. They're talking about a semi-sentient force that Paladins and Priests can call upon. Separating them from Shaman is that the Light doesn't care about your actions as it sees them, and how you see yourself. The Scarlet Crusade is capable of using the Light because they believe they're doing the right thing. Similarly, Galus and Forsaken priests (that haven't gone Shadow) still believes in the Light to the point that they can call upon it even though as undead, it burns them. A paladin or priest who loses faith in their cause loses their powers. Light rarely does things on its own, but is about as subtle as a tank when it does. When the Knights of the Ebon Blade attack Light's Hope to get Tirion's body, it utterly wrecks them, nearly killing four of the most powerful Death Knights in the world and (temporarily) killing the fifth.
And mage would be next to impossible. Magic like a mage uses is math (this is why I normally portray Ruby with at least some magical skill, sniping is also mostly math).
And I haven't even gotten into the fact that she's the only one without some form of disorder.
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I get why you aren't going the monk route and I love what you did with Weiss and Ruby but Rogue Blake and Warrior Yang are kind of boring. I mean, yeah, it's the obvious thing but the obvious thing for Weiss and Ruby would have been mage and hunter so I was kind of hoping you would subvert expectations for the other two as well.No. Just about everyone in Pandaria has some skill with Chi, it's how they keep the Sha under control and why Pandarian elementals are (normally) fairly passive, but that doesn't mean they're monks. so, Wilds/Life/Chi is, more than anything, a way to communicate. Just because you have a soul and can use it doesn't make you a monk. That's why everyone going 'she should be a monk' is so annoying, she might have the superficial resemblance, but so does Rehgar, Zur'ak and Ruby. They all can hit things with Wind and Spirit augmented punches, Rehgar specializes in it, they meditate, but they aren't monks.
Listen, the intricacies of being a monk is annoying, but having Aura and hitting things isn't enough. There's a mental component, and the idea you should be very respective to the masters. That's why Xia is so good at it. Not remembering jack does that.
Just, trust me on this. I have a very good reason for what I'm doing.
Spirit is how Shaman heal, they use the Wilds to allow them to commune with the Elements. A Shaman can forgo this method to use the Sixth Element, Decay. While a regular Shaman asks, a Dark Shaman forces the Elements to serve, twisting and corrupting them. Fire becomes ashes, life becomes Fel (which is why Fel is Aura users kryptonite, it's the equivalent of trying to stop a fire with gasoline). Druids also tap into it, as they draw their powers from the Emerald Dream, the blueprint of creating left by Eonar.
Paladins are even further away. When people talk about 'the Light' they aren't talking about some vague thing. They're talking about a semi-sentient force that Paladins and Priests can call upon. Separating them from Shaman is that the Light doesn't care about your actions as it sees them, and how you see yourself. The Scarlet Crusade is capable of using the Light because they believe they're doing the right thing. Similarly, Galus and Forsaken priests (that haven't gone Shadow) still believes in the Light to the point that they can call upon it even though as undead, it burns them. A paladin or priest who loses faith in their cause loses their powers. Light rarely does things on its own, but is about as subtle as a tank when it does. When the Knights of the Ebon Blade attack Light's Hope to get Tirion's body, it utterly wrecks them, nearly killing four of the most powerful Death Knights in the world and (temporarily) killing the fifth.
And mage would be next to impossible. Magic like a mage uses is math (this is why I normally portray Ruby with at least some magical skill, sniping is also mostly math).
And I haven't even gotten into the fact that she's the only one without some form of disorder.
Also Yang got into an elite school and is at least smart enough to take care of a high tech bike so saying she isn't smart enough to be a mage is just a bit crazy. Her rage is only one small facet of her personality and it makes no sense to base your entire characterization off of it. She's been shown to care a lot about people as well and it's been implied that she was Ruby's mother figure since Summer's death. I could see her as a priest or a paladin. Warrior's just too easy and boring.
Also (this isn't an actual critique so much as personal opinion) the pairing just doesn't make sense to me. Ruby/Blake? They have no chemistry.
ThatOnePsycho
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We all have our preferred pairings. I've deviated from it once in my writing career.
Yang's rage actually wasn't a major factor in making her a Warrior. In fact, among my roster of characters and specs (which I'll give a version of it that has no spoilers, if anyone wants it), she isn't even in the fury category. She was protection, for pretty much the same reasons you said. She'd much prefer she get the crap beaten out of her than someone else. That she gets to hang out in Valhalla is an added benefit. Mekkatorque is also a master of engineering and one of the smartest people on Azeroth (he made a nuke), and is apparently magically inept, as he's marked as a warrior.
I could have made Yang a mage, yeah, but she'd eventually hit a wall. Aluneth and Ebonchill are both known to be problematic (and I want to give Aluneth to Jaina) and giving her Felo'melorn would be in the same 'obvious answer' catagory as making her a warrior.
The main thing with Paladin is I already have characters set up for Retribution and Holy (*Spoiler* and, returning from Grave, Nalores Goldfist) which leaves her as Protection Pally, and I can't imagine Yang stealing Pyrrha's gimmick.
Priests are in a similar camp, Gallus has Discipline locked down (I said this previously, but within the context of Fur, at least at this point, Discipline is exclusively Forsaken) and I got a Holy, so that leaves Shadow. Which is NOT something you want anyone in the party touching with a fifty foot poll.
And let's face it, Yang would be the worst rogue on the face of Azeroth.
Meanwhile, Blake and the Fangs of the Devourer are too much of a perfect match for me to go otherwise.
It won't be completely boring, Yang isn't the type to use a shield, so I got something else planned for her. And I do intend for everyone (except Xia) to pick up a couple of spells around Cata.
Right, so, what I'm getting here is that you're making her a warrior because you would rather a bunch of side characters (and possibly OCs, never heard of Nalores and google has nothing) have all of the better fitting classes.
On top of this you've decided she can't be a protection paladin due to game mechanics being too similar to Pyrrha's stuff while outright stating that you intend for her to not use a protection warrior's main abilities (which require a shield).
You also feel that she can't be a mage because of the artifacts while simultaneously deciding that she won't be getting her warrior artifact, since she won't be using shields.
The level of doublethink here is ridiculous and I've lost all faith in your ability to write. I'm sorry but you've lost a reader.
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I might have deviated from the subject. But I wanted to say that Anduin training with bows, swords and etc... was confirmed again outsides the comics and books.
Varian should never have used a Windows OS.
ThatOnePsycho
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Bye.
I don't care if you lost faith in me as a writer. I know what I'm doing. Your logic for having Yang being anything other than a Warrior is far more tenuous than what, quite frankly, were supposed to be bullshit excuses. 'She should be a mage for the lulz' 'she should be a monk because punching' 'she cares about Ruby so she should be a Paladin or Priest'. Want me to give legitimate reasons? Ok.
Paladins and Priests are beyond just 'caring', anyone can do that. Paladins and Priests are to a man zealots, they are uncompromising. To be anything less is to not be one, for the Light only comes to those without uncertainty. Arthas's downfall came because, despite how he acted, he was unsure of himself after the Culling. His power waned, and he interpreted it as the Light abandoning him. Turalyon, one of the first Paladins, one only eclipsed by The Ashbringer, Alexander Mograine, was a horrible Paladin to start. The Light was supposed to bring all creatures togethers, so how could it allow something like the orcs to exist? When Lothar's head was caved in, Turalyon used the exact sort of logic the Scarlet Crusade would use to justify their atrocities. The Light only counted towards beings of Azeroth, and therefore the orcs didn't count. Five hundred years later, he would watch Xe'ra do the same. Void is evil, Alleria uses Void, ergo Alleria needs to be locked up. When Liadrin and the Blood Elves believed the Light had abandoned them during Arthas's attack, abandon them it did, and when she resolved to stop Kael'thas, it returned to her without the Sunwell's assistant. Yang is a good person, but she doesn't have that unwavering conviction that a Paladin or Priest would have in the belief that anything they do is right.
Mages spend most of their lives studying. The most active mages we see, combat wise, are the Guardians of Tirsfal, who have the power of a group of Archmages infused into them, so they can afford to not care about the math work to make it as effective as possible. Yang isn't the type to sit around reading all day, working through algorithm after algorithm and becoming a math genius while she could be fighting them normally.
Monks are similarly rigged. Most of them live cloistered lives, meditating and studying for the sake of improving their body for improvements sake. Even the monks of the Wandering Isle only left when they had no choice, as the Alliance and Horde knew of their existence.
To be a warrior, to be Valajar asks only two thing. Be strong and be valorous. Strong enough to fight threats to Azeroth, and willing to confront them when they come. Nothing else matters. You don't need to be zealous, or being capable of incredible equations at high speeds, or for you to hone yourself for the sake of honing yourself. You just need to be brave. Yang is brave, and she is strong. More than any other character, Yang is the embodiment of all things Warrior.
Yes, there are OCs, because Azeroth doesn't revolve around Team RWBY. Ruby and Blake are busy in Silithus, Kel'thuzad isn't going to wait for them to be done with that. The Dark Portal doesn't care what Eldritch Abomination they're fighting. I never tried to hide there would be OCs, we meet Crom in the first chapter. Shargresh by chapter two. It makes the world alive.
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That and Xia isn't an OC, though who she is is a spoiler hidden in plain sight.
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TBH, I don't get the outrage of Warrior Yang, sure they don't seem as shiny as other classes at first glance, but the expansion of all the classes in Legion really made them more interesting.
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Yeah.
It's still not the most headache inducing complaint I've gotten. According to the SB thread, everything from Ruby being nominally Horde aligned, to the fact she put up with Rehgar at all, to the fact that she didn't beat the highly skilled collection of orcs easily, to her not being in character (because apparently people act exactly the same when they're twenty one as when they're fifteen) is wrong.
It makes me question my skill as a writer at times, honestly.
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I mean, don't get me wrong. I always find things with fanfictions that I don't like, whether I write them (never to be posted) or not. I'll even call things out if I find them too distasteful, but some of these complaints are for petty reasons. Sure you have OC's your making. So? WoW is a big place that just doesn't have enough canon characters to fully flesh out. The whole story of WoW is that you're a single adventurer in a time full of them. It doesn't stretch the imagination at all that the player character, or in this case the RWBY crew won't be the only ones doing Big Damn Hero things.
And although the RWBY crew are powerful, the WoW characters deal with threats that general outclass the Grim on a pound for pound fight. The dragon in RWBY was such a big threat that it was only solved via a seemingly random asspull of Ruby's silver eyes. WoW characters have fought and slain giant dragons or foes of that scale throughout canon. So it doesn't seem that odd that the RWBY characters aren't curbstomping everyone.
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ThatOnePsycho
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They pointed towards Day of the Dragon as evidence of the orcs being 'weak' since Rhonin tore through them... ignoring that when Rhonin's around (and being written by Knaak) everyone is weak. They're 6+ foot masses of muscle from a warrior culture. Wolfriders from the Warsong clan are particularly skilled and that's who Ruby lost to.
But yeah, Warcraft is a series where you can look cthulhu in the eye... then punch him in the face.
The mage thing was a joke, the monk thing is because aura kind of has to be either chi or the light (light of the soul) and the paladin or priest thing is because she tends to genuinely care about everyone. Remember her comforting Jaune when he strikes out? That's pretty frigging priestly behavior.
Did you even play the Argus questline? Velen is willing to compromise now and he's still a priest. Turalyon might have thrown a hissy fit right after Illidan killed the wind chime but he didn't just stab him (although I haven't beaten the raid yet so we'll see) and Turalyon's wife went full void elf but she certainly isn't locked up now. Paladins and priests are about trying to do the right thing which is something Yang does naturally. Hell, her semblance even looks like a freaking light empowerment.
As for mages, like I said, mostly a joke. Although that would be a very good fit for Blake.
And again, they already have some basic amount of what would count as monk training. And that definition in no way applies to the beer loving crazies that half of the monks tend to be. Did you actually play through valley of the four winds? Pandaren might not be the angry type but that's probably because they aren't sober enough to be pissed.
I played through the warrior questline. It was shit and so is Odin. On top of that I have no idea what you plan for an artifact because like you said, she doesn't use shields. Or swords. More importantly though, I seriously doubt she could kill just for the sake of killing, which Odin asks for a few times.
Azeroth doesn't revolve around RWBY but this story does. The entire premise is "RWBY shows up in WoW and changes shit". You most certainly should not be planning main character development around OCs and minor characters, that way lies ff.net-tier quality.
ThatOnePsycho
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So that's the crux of it. You didn't like the Warrior questline and are therefore bitching about anything to do with it.
Exactly at what point does Velan compromise? At the point when he destroys the demon that sold out his son and wife? When he bluntly informs Turalyon that Xe'ra has been lying about Naaru? No, Paladins and Priests are not 'about trying to do the right thing'. The Scarlet Crusade wouldn't exist as an order of Paladins and Priests if that was true. Benedictus would not have been capable of using the Light as he tried to bring about the destruction of everything. Yes, I played both lines. That doesn't change that not every Pandarian is a monk.
Odyn doesn't send you out to kill random things anymore than any of the order halls. The only time I remember is when he sends you to kill the worm that ate the Gjallarhorn, something of vital importance. He generally sends you to fight the Legion or their allies.
There's a difference between planning it around OCs and not planning it around what you want. I'm not writing Yang as a Paladin, or a Monk, or a Priest. She doesn't fit those classes nearly as much as you seem convinced. Being a good person doesn't qualify you as a Paladin or Priest. It never has. In Of Blood and Honor, Uther refuses to even begin to hear Tirion out before cutting him off from the Light. Priests of the Forsaken still preform the attrocites from the post Cata era, and don't lose it.
Similarly, being a Warrior doesn't magically exempt you from being a good person. Yang is a good person who cares about her friends. She's also a thrill seeker. She admits this herself, adventure is why she's looking to be a Huntress in the first place.
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Yang isn't a Huntress to be a hero, she doesn't want or need a higher cause. She doesn't need to worship the Light, or Elune, or An'she. Even as Battlelord, he relationship with Odyn isn't remotely one of worship. He's offering her strong enemies to fight and ways to protect her family. After the Broken Shore, she likes that idea.
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No, you're just grasping onto that as a way to dismiss my opinion because you know I'm right but don't want me to be right. Warriors are masters of arms, Yang's a fist fighter. She could be a class that doesn't focus so heavily on weapon skills but she'll never be a freaking warrior in Azeroth terminology.
Velen admits that the light isn't enough to power the crucible, cooperates amicably with Illidan. And I said trying to do the right thing. Each and every person on that list was trying to do what they thought was right. And when it comes right down to it everything that they did was what people in the real world have historically considered right as well. The inquisition was a thing. Even if they offend the current sense of morality in the west they would not have been considered villains 500 years ago. So yeah, Velen's working with a demon and encouraging us to use void magic, because even if that goes against his religion, he trusts us to do the right thing.
He orders the assassination of Skovald's children because they might wind up being a threat someday (they were just trying to live their lives at that point), he actively encourages you to kill various vrykul and horde characters just to test your skills (not for any greater good, just "VALOOOORRR!!!!"). He's a psychotic moron. Yang wouldn't put up with that shit and we already know what he does to people who disobey him (Helya). It's literally impossible to put her in the warrior questline without ignoring her character and railroading her through the entire thing.
I don't want you to plan it around what I want, I want you to plan it around something that makes sense. The only thing she has in common with warriors is liking to fight and that describes half of Azeroth. She doesn't fight like a warrior, she doesn't have a warrior's sensibilities (assuming the valarjar are a good example of that) and she definitely wouldn't put up with some of Odyn's shit. Uther cutting Tirion off from the light is a mistake made by a man. It has nothing to do with the requirements for being a priest/paladin. Also it's canon that light using forsaken are extremely rare (a certain member of the argent dawn is an example). Most are just shadow priests and holy/discipline forsaken are just there for gameplay mechanics. Please learn your lore because building a story around gameplay mechanics leads to shit like gamer fics.
Being a warrior doesn't exempt you from being a good person? Playing the warrior questline most certainly does. Odyn is just a shiny lich king. He's turned at least one person into an undead slave (Helya) and doesn't have any problem with enslaving other people (like Ymiron, who the player character is okay with enslaving as well!). Yang doesn't fight like a warrior, she doesn't fit into the warrior mindset (she's not nearly that brutal or cruel) and you already have at least one point in the story where she'll either wind up dead or enthralled because Odyn won't let her disobey him. Warrior doesn't fit.
She doesn't want or need a higher cause because being a good person is a large part of her. She'd have gotten way more thrills from being a criminal but she doesn't because as much as she wants to have fun she just can't be that type of person. That entire line was her being tired of being the responsible one (it is hinted that she took on the motherly role in her household after Summer died) and wanting to have fun but being constrained by her life (going with the flow). She wants adventure because she can't ignore people suffering so she just wants to be away from it. She already is a hero, what she wants is to be free from that.
Actually, feral druid would be a really good fit. It also plays all the roles that a warrior would without the whole master of weapons thing..... I mean, she even fights a lot like I imagine a bear form druid would. It would even offer the character development that you won't get from her being a warrior.
ThatOnePsycho
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I hope you realize half your post is nothing but you validating me saying you're throwing a tantrum because you don't like the Warrior, and therefore are demanding I make Yang anything but.
Odyn makes mistakes, yes. So did Ra, Cenarius, the Titans themselves and (depending where you stand on the Illidan front) A'dal or Xe'ra. Being infallible has never been the part of Warcaft 'deities', so if you're going to justify what Uther did because of good intentions, you should at least extend that same courtesy to Odyn. Calling him as bad as the Lich King is decending right into bashing territory. What he did to Helya is bad, yes, but Helya's response of locking him away and dragging any Vykrul she could get her hands off into a watery hell is much worse. Him having Skovald's family killed is bad, yes, but it is far from the first time something like this happened (and Warriors don't even deal with that. The Paladins you keep exalting do, as do warlocks, rogues and shaman. Warrior!Yang is essentially the only member of team RWBY that doesn't deal with it).
Need I remind you that our characters are personally make sure the Dark Portal and Culling of Stratholme happen? That we, alongside a priest, use the Light to torture an undead for information? That we kill members of the Scarlet Crusade and raise them as undead at the Ebon Blade's request? That when Genn decides to break cover in a recon mission and potentially start a legitimate war in the middle of a full blown Legion invasion, we go along with it? When Nathanos decides to use the plague on the ship, we go along with it? And that Blood Knights originally gained their power by tearing it from a Naaru? Stop acting like Odyn is the only character who does this shit, he isn't.
What about Weiss? She's going to be burning away souls and enslaving sentient beings (something that's going to create no ends of 'fun' discussions between her and Ruby) does that exempt her from being a good person? What about the fact that the Council of the Black Harvest is, at best, dangerously unstable? For someone who praised me for having Weiss take that path, you don't seem to be thinking about what it means.
Saying you have to be a cruel to be a warrior is a load of tripe. The warrior is supposed to be everything from a raging warrior, to a masterful tactician, to the guards of cities, to a knight (and they can use fist weapons, so you're also wrong on that front). And at what point does Odyn force your character to do anything? No, let's not mince things, you hate Odyn. You hate Odyn to the point that you are demanding I write my fic to accommodate that hatred. Using increasingly flimsy justifications on why Yang should be anything but a Warrior, and conveniently ignoring vital parts of those quests that don't make Odyn into psychopathic tyrant you want to view him as. The Vykrul Odyn sends you to fight are, almost to a man, allied with the Burning Legion, they aren't called 'Felskorn' because it sounds cool. While Odyn encourages you to take part in the faction conflict, so do Sylvanas and Genn.
No, Yang wants to be a thrill seaker. She wants to live life on the edge.
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Anything you were complaining about can be achieved as a Warrior. She can protect Team RWBY, she can defend the weak. Warrior, despite what you think, isn't the class of psychopaths. That role is filled by Warlocks and Death Knights, as the magic they use deadens their empathy. Warrior of all type use their rage, but Arms and Protection use it calmly. A Warrior watches their ally be (or about to be) hit and steps into the blow. A Warrior strong enough to become legend steps forward weapon in hand, staring down a force that should break them, and then breaks it. They hold the line, not giving an inch, they smash the enemy to pieces. Not because they're empowered with the Light of creation, not because they have the Elements that make up the world backing them, not that they can draw the life blood of the world to them to warp reality, not because the physical manifestation of chaos empowering their spells.
They do it because they're just that good. When they step onto the battlefield, they know with certainty that they will win. Their mere presence invigorates their allies as they step into the storm of battle. To quote Dragon Age "They burn bright, and draw others to their glory [...] They know they are the rare few who will permanently be enshrined in glory. If they did not think as such, they would not be fit to try."
Yang burns bright, and if she was given the choice between herself being hit, or someone she cares for, she would always take the blow. And then she would retaliate, striking against her enemies.
Yes, Forsaken priests who use the Light ars rare, I actually have a scene where Gallus acknowledges that in outright contempt. But they exist, and we've only seen one at the moment. While there are still Forsaken who worship the Light, Gallus is the only character that is so devoted that he continues to use it in undeath. Quoth the devs:
I know the lore. You just want to take away anything you view as keeping Yang from being one of the classes you want her to be. That's not my fault, because it was never up for debate. I don't like acting like the goddamn tyrant, I honestly enjoy listening to my readers and, when I like an idea, will work to incorporate it, but I'm the one writing this fic. I make the final call on what happens. I never had any intention of making Yang a monk, Paladin, Priest, Druid, Demon Hunter, Shaman, Mage, Death Knight, Warlock, Rogue, or Hunter and nothing you have said changed that. I don't have to rewrite my plans because you want something. Especially when you keep pushing for Paladin, who don't use fist weapons.
You said my doublethink made you lose all faith in me as a writer. That's pretty funny when you start indulging in it yourself. You reprimand me for using game-logic, then do it yourself to justify why Yang couldn't be a warrior. Of course a warrior can fight with their fists. So could paladins. What's stopping them? Nothing other than their own preference.
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I say just give it a shot and let it be written. It might turn out great, good, poor or awful. We won't know until it's posted.
Hell, your complaints might even become a plot point later on. Yang might disagree with Odyn and there could be inter faction dissent. Yang might have to deal with shit from Warrior purists that hate her new fighting style, whatever.
Point is I'm done reading these posts that are just back and forth arguments.
Hell, your complaints might even become a plot point later on. Yang might disagree with Odyn and there could be inter faction dissent. Yang might have to deal with shit from Warrior purists that hate her new fighting style, whatever.
Point is I'm done reading these posts that are just back and forth arguments.
Rule 3: This is neither courteous nor decorous
I play a night elf warrior. Even with the decidedly subpar order hall campaign it's still my favourite class. It doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fit Yang at all.
Odyn outright killed Helya, twisted her mind and raised as an undead thrall. That is exactly what the lich king did and goes well beyond a simple "mistake". Maybe we could call it the devs being stupid but it's still part of the lore. She's basically a parallel to Sylvanas. And do you really think she won't find out about the assassination? Do you think that any member of RWBY (except maybe Weiss) would actually be willing to go through with it, even? Odyn isn't exactly subtle, and if he hasn't already turned her against him by trying to turn her into a murderhobo (which describes half of what Odyn asks you to do in the game) then that would do it perfectly.
Our characters are canonically arrogant idiots who don't actually know right from wrong. We're a lot like the scarlet crusade, actually. Completely insane and thinking we're in the right even when we very clearly aren't. Also the outhouse questline in grizzly hills happens because we randomly put things in our mouth like a child. Evidence of idiocy, right there.
Weiss was always a bit of a bitch, I could see her going off the deep end. I certainly hope you actually intend to have it put her at odds with her friends though, because ignoring how evil the warlock is is pretty much a game mechanic. They're widely hated in lore and not having that cause friction would be seriously shoddy writing.
I'm saying you need to be cruel to ally yourself with Odyn. And a warrior is first and foremost a master of arms, not a fist fighter. I do hate Odyn. Having to take part in his shit to progress was mildly infuriating. It would've been fine if he at least hid the fact that he is an evil idiot but this wasn't even close to the drakkari questline. And he has you kill way more than just vrykul and horde. The other two factions in the trials are one example. All he cares about is bravery and if King Ymiron had done his shit while worshipping Odyn instead of Arthas then he would have been fine with it. You would need to completely twist Yang into a completely unrecognizable person to have her work with Odyn. You could have her take up the sword (or axe, mace, shield, etc.) but having her go through the order hall campaign is just stupid.
Because she already is the responsible one in her family. She already could go off and do all of those things if she wanted to but she restrains herself for her family. She wants freedom, she's just too nice to take it.
Technically all of the player characters in wow are psychopaths. Inability to tell that they're doing something wrong is a part of that. The only one who fits that description is Weiss and she gets better pretty quickly. You could have your OCs handle all of the bad things for most of the story but there really isn't any way around the order hall stuff unless you remove it from the story entirely. And I can see you have your romanticized view of warriors but it won't change the fact that unless you have her pick up a sword she's the only one who won't have a trainer. I'm starting to think you just don't like Yang. I mean, fire is kind of her thing and the prequel chapter had Ruby randomly using it as a baby, she's the only one who isn't going to have a trainer (which means she'll lag behind) and she's the only one who can't get an artifact weapon unless we steal it from the monks. It's technically fine, some people just randomly hate her for some reason. I'm not about to read a bashfic though.
You think Yang wants more expectations put on her? Oh she'll take it but she'll be miserable all through it. She doesn't want glory, she wants to be free to have fun once in a while. If anyone would make a good warrior it's little miss wants to be a hero. Hell, given that Yang already randomly lights on fire from time to time she would probably make a better shaman than Ruby. Your class choices make no sense for the most part. I mean, it's nice that you didn't go the obvious route for Weiss and Ruby but that doesn't mean you chose a particularly good route.
But you said discipline priests are a forsaken thing, despite that being a light using class..... maybe you know the lore but you certainly aren't properly applying it to the story.
I'm pretty sure I've listed off at least half of the classes at this point. Warrior is just something that she doesn't fit as and I'd be okay with pretty much anything else as long as it made sense. DKs and DHs are obviously out, as are warlocks but anything that would actually work is something I would be fine with. Yang is my favourite character and warriors are my favourite class. If they went together I would be ecstatic but they don't.
The main thing about paladins is the light, btw. I don't actually give a damn if you make her a paladin, it just makes more sense than making her a warrior. Like half of the other classes out there. And protection warriors use shields, stop flip flopping on whether game mechanics matter to this fic. A warrior's thing is that they are a master of weapons, Yang really, really isn't. She isn't devoted to war, she just sometimes fights for the thrill. She just plain can't finish the warrior hall campaign unless you gut it and white wash Odyn (which it looks like you plan on doing). She doesn't fit as a warrior.
No you moron, a warrior's ENTIRE THING is their skill with weapons. That is the concept behind them. From the start of wow they have been that, not just as a game mechanic but as what they are. Paladins are tanky light wielders, mages twist reality to their will and warriors are armour-wearing weapon masters. Remember the cyclonian questline? One of the main warrior things back in the day? The thing that was all about getting a frigging weapon!? "Now that you know the berserker stance, you'll want a weapon to go with it". The lore is that warriors are weapon masters. That's what they are.
I can tell that you have no idea what you're doing. You just don't have the intelligence to write a fic. If you quote me I won't respond, but feel free to if it makes you feel better.
ThatOnePsycho
Tilting his Vanes and Ennobling His Spires
I didn't know you were precognitive, must be a cool trick at parties. Mind telling me how many patches Blizzard puts out for BfA before they have to derail the faction confict again before you go? Or are you psychic? Mind checking if that cute girl I saw today thought I was cute (Wait, I can answer that one. She didn't)? No, no, I know! Who is Xia? Kindly spoiler it so those who want to find out over the course of the fic don't get it ruined.
I'll repeat myself because apparently it didn't sink in last time. I don't care if you leave. I don't expect you to stay around for something you've decided you don't like (and not, may I remind you, because of what has been written, but because I'm not bending over and complying with your desires). I do it all the time. But for God's sake man, don't sink to throwing around insults about my intelligence and competence because I'm not writing the story you want. They're all I have left, and it does make you look like a child. 'Psycho isn't giving be what I want! He's a big idiot! I'm gonna tell him then I'm gonna stomp away and he'll feel like an idiot! Ha ha!'
Here's a question. Did you think, by any chance, that I do know what I'm doing? That maybe, just maybe there's a method to my madness? A reason I'm shutting down paladin and monk so much? That I was resorting to logical fallacies because I'm not required to reveal my plans the moment someone starts complaining?
Oh, so you main an Alliance Warrior? Then how the fuck are we having this conversation? One of your bloody bodyguards uses a pair of fist weapons. Or did you ignore that, like you ignore that Odyn outright calls Ymiron cruel and evil?
I'm gonna reiterate something I've said before and will almost assuredly say again (which is the actual reason for this post). I write what I want to write, what my gut tells me is the best way to take the story. Sometimes people offer criticisms, I agree, and make corrections or work on addressing them next chapter. Sometimes people suggest things for a fic, I decide I like it, and it goes on its merry way. Yang and Weiss being in this fic at all, for example (or, at least, before RB got back to Remnant).
But I can't make everyone happy. Say I cave into you, make Yang whatever class you fuckin' want. Great, we all go skipping into the sunset, right? No. Because I've tried forcing myself down paths I didn't want to follow. I'd quickly grow tired of Fur and abandon it. It isn't the story I wanted to tell, so why should I continue telling it? And I know that might not seem like a travesty from where you're sitting, but that would be disappointing to me. I write as a form of enjoyment, I have a stressful life and doing it lets me unwind, and while I'm sure the readers of Walking would enjoy the acceleration of how quickly each chapter gets out, I'm pretty sure I'd burn out on it fairly quickly.