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so he needs 2 different servants (Asclepius and gorgon), he doesn't actualy need to win the war, he could only summon those two and then bail, but given his luck, someone will end up summoning Gilgamesh

and if he is up to it he could set the rules of the holy grail war, for instance, allowing masters to quit the war immediately with a single command seal and such
 
so he needs 2 different servants (Asclepius and gorgon), he doesn't actualy need to win the war, he could only summon those two and then bail, but given his luck, someone will end up summoning Gilgamesh

and if he is up to it he could set the rules of the holy grail war, for instance, allowing masters to quit the war immediately with a single command seal and such
He also needs a literal god. "The blood itself was not enough however, requiring the divine power of Artemis"
 
he is a god, one of the same Pantheon as Artemis

so use more blood even if one drop of full god = 10 gallons Ambrosius blood there is still divinity there even if it needs to be disill
That is not how divinity works in the nasuverse. In the nasuverse divinity comes from one being a higher being, not from the blood. Gods are beings formed by the thoughts of humans and born into the world without being influenced by the will of the people.
 
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That is not how divinity works in the nasuverse. In the nasuverse divinity comes from one being a higher being, not from the blood. Gods are beings formed by the thoughts of humans and born into the world without being influenced by the will of the people.

maybe use Atlanta? she literally has an attack that brings forth the power of Artemis and is pretty much her prophet, so I assume you could at least use her as a message to the gods
 
maybe use Atlanta? she literally has an attack that brings forth the power of Artemis and is pretty much her prophet, so I assume you could at least use her as a message to the gods
If that were the case Asclepius would not need Artemis' help herself because Atalanta is certainly not the only priestess or worshiper of Artemis that could bring forth the power of Artemis in ancient times. Also the power of a god/goddess brought forth by anything other than said god/goddess would most certainly not be potent or powerful enough to create this recipe. Especially since it is something that can bring about True Resurrection, an feat that not even a True Magic can accomplish.
 
Personally... I'm just praying that you'll finish fan geeking out over the Fate series universe and move on. I mean, it was bad enough when you were phallus waving in the Percy Jackson 'verse, but now you're just dragging this one out in order to demonstrate to all just how much you know about the setting. I'll admit, at first I just thought that you were trying to stretch your author wings and actually tell a story instead of slogging through the motions; now though since you've still haven't moved on from this one portion of the setting, three chapters on one moment in the settings history, I'm coming to realization it's less chancing authorial style and more demonstrating your fan credit with your source material lore knowledge.

So~, when you're ready to move from the setting itself, could you put up a threadmark about moving on from the Nasu'verse?
 
Personally... I'm just praying that you'll finish fan geeking out over the Fate series universe and move on. I mean, it was bad enough when you were phallus waving in the Percy Jackson 'verse, but now you're just dragging this one out in order to demonstrate to all just how much you know about the setting. I'll admit, at first I just thought that you were trying to stretch your author wings and actually tell a story instead of slogging through the motions; now though since you've still haven't moved on from this one portion of the setting, three chapters on one moment in the settings history, I'm coming to realization it's less chancing authorial style and more demonstrating your fan credit with your source material lore knowledge.

So~, when you're ready to move from the setting itself, could you put up a threadmark about moving on from the Nasu'verse?
No one is forcing you to read, and I just might prolong this arc even longer just to annoy you. Many people seem to be fans of the nasuverse, and I have tons of material to write about if I wanted to. You seem to forget that he started a whole 2000 years before the actual plot. What do you expect him to do? Hide out in some cave and wait for canon🙄? As for me "phallus waving" in the Percy Jackson verse, you clearly have not paid attention to the story in that one or simply did not understand what was going on. Either way, I am not forcing you to read it, and if you want to read a better story than write one yourself.
 
No one is forcing you to read, and I just might prolong this arc even longer just to annoy you. Many people seem to be fans of the nasuverse, and I have tons of material to write about if I wanted to. You seem to forget that he started a whole 2000 years before the actual plot. What do you expect him to do? Hide out in some cave and wait for canon🙄? As for me "phallus waving" in the Percy Jackson verse, you clearly have not paid attention to the story in that one or simply did not understand what was going on. Either way, I am not forcing you to read it, and if you want to read a better story than write one yourself.
And I'm not saying skip to the present, I'm saying that your previous pacing where you dedicated a single chapter to either a moment, or an era in the settings history was a fair balance. And then you hyper focused on this one moment. Significant for the setting, I'm sure, but hardly worth you spending as much time and effort on it in the moment as you may when you get to the setting's original story. And frankly would have been better as a blurb commenting on your presence in history when it came up in the original setting. As it is, by focusing on this one event in the setting's history you're coming across more as though you are boasting about just how much you know of the setting's lore.

And while it's not bad that you know so much about the setting, you have much more of the setting's history to get through just to get to the setting's story. So, are you planning on interacting with all the significant moments of the settings history? A significant portion, or even a smattering? In which you'll have to write more focused segments. Before finally arriving at the present, and then having to focus on the actions and reactions of the modern day story? Like I said, the pacing you were using before was just fine, it was the sudden intense focus on one moment in the settings history, largely indicating a repeating pattern looming. And being a large indicator of biting off more than you would likely be willing to chew, thereby burning yourself out on writing the story before you even finish this setting.

As for Percy Jackson... and what would you call the casual gloating and, even if semi justified, arrogance of being a greater demi-god than other demi-gods, along with the entitled attitude of the character in setting? Don't know what you saw when you wrote it, but at least to myself it came across more as the MC lording it's unusual status/nature over others with such casual contempt for anything that they didn't consider useful that it appeared more like the sort of thing a boastful person would do when their example is, on the surface, better than others.

To writing, I'm in that awkward space in which I know enough to see the problems with written examples, but not enough to surpass making the same mistakes myself. I have tried... *shudders* even rereading them just after writing them made me cry at how awful it was. But for some reason I can't seem to progress out of making the aforementioned mistakes when writing. Something inherent in the way I think doesn't seem to grasp the difference between telling a story and reciting a dictation.
 
And I'm not saying skip to the present, I'm saying that your previous pacing where you dedicated a single chapter to either a moment, or an era in the settings history was a fair balance. And then you hyper focused on this one moment. Significant for the setting, I'm sure, but hardly worth you spending as much time and effort on it in the moment as you may when you get to the setting's original story. And frankly would have been better as a blurb commenting on your presence in history when it came up in the original setting. As it is, by focusing on this one event in the setting's history you're coming across more as though you are boasting about just how much you know of the setting's lore.

And while it's not bad that you know so much about the setting, you have much more of the setting's history to get through just to get to the setting's story. So, are you planning on interacting with all the significant moments of the settings history? A significant portion, or even a smattering? In which you'll have to write more focused segments. Before finally arriving at the present, and then having to focus on the actions and reactions of the modern day story? Like I said, the pacing you were using before was just fine, it was the sudden intense focus on one moment in the settings history, largely indicating a repeating pattern looming. And being a large indicator of biting off more than you would likely be willing to chew, thereby burning yourself out on writing the story before you even finish this setting.
I am taking this long because the event clearly has a significant effect on the main character, and if I was planning on interacting with all the significant moments in history then we would still be in Ulster Cycle.
As for Percy Jackson... and what would you call the casual gloating and, even if semi justified, arrogance of being a greater demi-god than other demi-gods, along with the entitled attitude of the character in setting? Don't know what you saw when you wrote it, but at least to myself it came across more as the MC lording it's unusual status/nature over others with such casual contempt for anything that they didn't consider useful that it appeared more like the sort of thing a boastful person would do when their example is, on the surface, better than others.
Clearly you did not understand what was going there, or you took the moments in which he acted like that out of context.
 
Apocrypha
"Zelretch." I say as I open my eyes and look towards the appearing magician. "It has been a few months since we have seen each other. How can I help you?"

"You have not been seen in the Clocktower for a year." he answers as he approaches my sitting form. "Questions are being asked, and rumors are flying."

"Has it honestly been that long?" I ask as I uncross my legs and stand up. "It honestly has felt much shorter."

We are currently situated in the castle's training courtyard. It is currently night and I have been sitting here meditating in an attempt to utilize my powers of prophecy at will. Unfortunately success has been quite limited.

"Indeed, it has been that long." he answers. "Many are wondering whether you will be present during the annual gathering this year. While others speculate whether or not you died during a Dead Apostle hunt."

"As you can see, I am very much alive." I tell him. "Besides, one of the families allied to me should have informed you, and the Association, that I am very much alive."

"Obviously they didn't." he answers. "And while I knew that you were alive, I did not know the reason for your absence."

"Hmmm." I humm back in thought. "I wonder why they did not inform the Association."

"Because I instructed them to refrain from doing so." answers Scathach's voice from the entrance of the courtyard as she interrupts Zelretch before he can speak.

Turning towards her voice, I see her walking towards us as Morgan trails not far behind. Both are currently wearing their rune suits in the form of exercise clothes.

"How come?" I ask her as they reach us.

"You were close to breakthrough." she answers. "Any interruption may have further delayed your success. Besides, the Clocktower can function without its Vice-Director for a few months."

"So, how much longer do you estimate until you will be able to accomplish it?" asks Morgan.

"It?" asks Zelretch. "I have not seen any of you in months, perhaps one of you would love to fill me in?"

"Clairvoyance." I answer him. "In my dimension, children, or descendants, of Apollo sometimes receive the gift of prophecy, or limited clairvoyance. I have been attempting to access this power."

"You said sometimes,-" he answers. "-what makes you so sure that you possess it?"

"During a spar with Scathach, I witnessed all of her possible attacks before her muscles even tensed. I also caught flashes of what Morgan was doing at the time, on the complete opposite side of the castle." I inform him.

"Hmmm,-" he answers as he rubs his beard. "-that does indeed sound similar to clairvoyance. I would say that what you saw was due to your prophetic dreams as a demigod, however you have not had one ever since you've arrived in this dimension, and you were not sleeping."

"Indeed,-" as I rub my forehead in thought. "-quite perplexing. That is why I have been attempting to replicate the feat ever since."

"Unfortunately, you clearly have had varied successes." says Morgan.

"The truth of the matter is that I have been less than successful." I reply. "So far I have only been able to catch glimpses of a few seconds in the future and only when in the midst of battle."

"I see." answers Zelretch. "Would this training also have anything to do with your frequent hunts of Dead Apostles?"

"No. I hunt Dead Apostles because it seems to somewhat appease Alaya." I tell him.

"Alaya?" he asks.

"We never did tell you what has occurred." says Scathach.

Zelretch simply arches an eyebrow in question as he waits for one of us to elaborate.

"Come." I say as I turn to face the castle walk towards the inside, Scathach, Morgan, and Zelretch following not far behind. "As you know, Camelot fell when Vortigern allied himself with Tiberius and proceeded to launch a two pronged attack. What you did not know is that Alaya had a hand in that."

"What?" questions Zelretch.

"As you know,-" begins Morgan as she explains. "Camelot was an attempt by my sister at creating Utopia. However, Camelot cannot exist. In the end, it is a utopia, something that is meant to be, but paradoxically something that cannot exist because of its nature. It is a "dream", the "dream" of Britain, a utopian city without flaws, but a dream cannot be made real."

"The ideal city never truly existed." says Zelrecth in understanding.

"No, it did not." replies Morgan. "Artoria tried to make it that way. As such Camelot, as it existed, was a really nice, fabulous city that tried to be close to the utopia and aimed to be it thanks to Artoria and Kay. However, there is a flaw in the logic, a very very simple one, yet a flaw all the same."

"A flaw in the "dream" that is known as humanity." explains Scathach. "A city can be perfect, but humans are not. Therefore, the utopian city can only exist as long as it does not. Empty, untouched, and unreachable. What Arthuria and Kay attempted to do was very close to the city's name. However, Kay was the first that realised the city cannot exist, and for him it was a good thing. For as long as it does not exist, it means you can aim to create it."

"I see." says Zelretch as we reach one of the castle's lounges and we all sit on a couch. "However, what does any of this have to do with Alaya."

"The creation of such a utopia would have resulted in the formation of a Lostbelt. Whether it would have negatively impacted humanity, no one knows for certain. However, that is not something that an entity like Alaya would leave to chance." I explain.

"As such, when Vortigern attacked Camelot,-" says Morgan. "-he received no hindrances from Alaya due to being firmly against humanity."

"Meanwhile, Alaya had no qualms with slightly influencing my mind so that I may act more complacent than I already was." I explain.

"Alaya, mind controlled you?" he asks incredulously. "That is no way in line with her subtle tendencies."

"It was not exactly mind control." I tell him. "You see, before the battle I had already grown complacent, yet not so far gone that I would speak during a major battle such as the one against Vortigern. Alaya simply stimulated it until Mordred's death, at which point it seemed to believe that with Mordred's death and Artoria fatally wounded, Camelot had nothing to help it recover."

"I see. However that still does not explain why you are attempting to appease it." says Zelretch.

"I am a demi-god, Zelretch." I tell him. "A remnant of the Age of Gods. I should not exist, and even if I do exist I should be in conflict with humanity. Yet here I am, interacting with humans and living as part of them with no conflict."

"Right. I have a tendency to forget that you are in fact a demi-god." he says. "That is why you have made it a habit of eliminating Dead Apostles, to show that you are firmly on humanity's side."

"Yes." I answer with a nod. "As for Gaia, as long as I do not make myself out to be a threat to the planet, then she will remain indifferent to my presence."

"Yes. I honestly think that Gaia is far more lenient than Alaya. Although in reality neither of them can truly be considered sentient or living. Alth-" he says only to be interrupted before he finishes.

"Zelretch,-" interrupts Scathach. "-tell us the true purpose of your visit and stop stalling."

"Of course you would notice." he mutters with a chuckle. "When I helped the Matou, Tohsaka, and Einzbern family create The Holy Grail Wars, you warned me of the potential flaws that I may not be able to see. For the most part I heeded your advice, however one place where I have failed to do so is in making sure that no one would be able to steal the Greater Grail from its cave in Fuyuki."

"And due to your incompetence, someone stole it." claims Morgan with narrowed eyes.

"Calm yourself." orders Scathach. "Even if it is stolen, the thief will not be able to utilize it without a Grail War occurring."

"I know that you wished to use it for yourselves, that is why I personally came here to tell you about this development and to apologize."

"It's fine." I tell him. "It is like Scathach said, they cannot utilize it without a Grail War happening. When it does we will personally go to obtain it."

Besides I know who has it and where he is. What perplexes me however, is that other than the theft of the Greater Grail everything points to this being a timeline that will lead to Fate/Zero. Even though I did not have a hand in the creation in the Grail War, Zelretch still came to me for advice. As such I know that while Ruler can still be summoned, it is by the Grail itself once a failsafe has been activated, and Avenger cannot be summoned at all because I made it explicitly clear to Zelretch that it would only lead to disaster.

Regardless of what timeline it is, I should be able to defeat every servant single handedly. If one also adds Scathach and Morgan to the equation then it becomes overkill. The only servants that honestly pose any kind of threat to me are the likes of Karna, Arjuna, and Gilgamesh, even then I believe that I am able to defeat them before they can truly use their full power.

"What happened to the founding families?" I ask Zelretch.

"From what I was able to gather, they are planning on biding their time and preparing for when the Grail War begins anew." he explains.

Interesting. In the canon timeline of Apocrypha they all gave up. The Eiznbern and Tohsaka family looked for alternate methods to achieve their goals while Zouken fought fiercely against Darnic Prestone Yggdmillennia during the Third Holy Grail War. However, he became practically crippled due to the shock of the Greater Grail being stolen, causing the Matou family to become extinct due to his child not birthing Byakuya and Karyia.

"Is there anything else that you wish to inform us?" asks Morgan.

"Well,-" says Zelretch hesitantly. "- Vice-Director Barthomeloi is wondering when he will return."

I honestly doubt that she put it in such a respectful way, and unfortunately for her I could not care less if she ordered me to return. Besides, although we both hold the position of Vice-Director, it is a known fact that I hold far more power in both the Clocktower and the Mage's Association than her family ever will. Before I can reply however, Morgan does so for me.

"Tell that wench that it is none of her business." scathingly replies Morgan.

Honestly that is the tamest answer I expected her to give. She and the current head of the Barthomeloi family met during an annual banquet at the Clocktower. Unfortunately the Barthomeloi family have a history of arrogance and looking down on anyone that is not the user of the First Magic. Naturally this situation was no different and the head of the Barthomeloi family had to antagonise her, ever since then they have hated each other.

"Right." says Zelretch sarcastically as he stands up. "I am not returning that message. The only reason I even relayed hers is because I was already here. Besides I have better things to do than play messenger."

Having relayed his message, Zelretch leaves in a swirl of multicolor.

"It seems that we might be facing a Great Holy Grail War." states Scathach as she stands from the couch.

"It seems so." I reply. "Far more interesting than the normal seven on seven Grail War."

"It does not matter." answers Morgan. "Mordred will be revived even if I must wipe the thief's family from the face of the earth."
 
I would say that Alaya would not give a shit about his apostle hunts and would have the counter force empowering something or someone regardless to off him if he's a threat to the system. It's not truly sentient beyond a certain point and can't be reasoned with. Appeasement shouldn't do shit because it's not an actual God. Of course it's possible MC doesn't even know it's not working and it's his mistake to think so.

If worst comes to worst and MC does something too big and Alaya dispatches a counter guardian, the MC has no chance of winning, not against someone powered by a pesudo-omnipotent being who's will is felt throughout the nasuverse.

His belief that he'll be able to off most servants so long as he doesn't let them get serious also seems like a product of arrogance born of years of not having to fight for his life in a life or death battle, because I can't imagine the apostle hunts are all that dangerous for someone on his level.

Gilgamesh won't hold back against someone he deems worthy and if he gets serious...well, his ability to see the future is leagues above the MC's. While Gil's biggest weakness is his arrogance, he's not going to pull his punches when he recognizes MC for who and what he is. And there are other servants that can hit him where it hurts.

Good update.
 
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His belief that he'll be able to off most servants so long as he doesn't let them get serious also seems like a product of arrogance born of years of not having to fight for his life in a life or death battle, because I can't imagine the apostle hunts are all that dangerous for someone on his level.
Not really. It's more out of the fact that for around 1300 years he has improved and knows for a fact that now he should be able to defeat Crimson Moon without needing Zelretch's interference
Gilgamesh won't hold back against someone he deems worthy and if he gets serious...well, his ability to see the future is leagues above the MC's. While Gil's biggest weakness is his arrogance, he's not going to pull his punches when he recognizes MC for who and what he is. And there are other servants that can hit him where it hurts.
Like you said, Gil's biggest weakness is his arrogance. Do you honestly that he will use his clairvoyance or honestly try to recognize him in the first few seconds of their encounter.
 
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Err... You do realise that Heaven Feel ritual was composed somewhere around 1790, while king Arthur lived in fifth or sixth century. That is one hell of a timeskip for training montage.
 
Err... You do realise that Heaven Feel ritual was composed somewhere around 1790, while king Arthur lived in fifth or sixth century. That is one hell of a timeskip for training montage.
The chapter takes place around 1945. Training is not the only thing he did for 1445 years, he also had to run the Clocktower
 
Besides, there is a power from my godly heritage that I have been neglecting out of fear of what it may show me. Now however, it can show me anything, and no matter what, I will not be phased.
So, what you are saying, is that he was bashing his head in the wall with barely if any result... For fourteen hundred years. That's just... Sad.
 
So, what you are saying, is that he was bashing his head in the wall with barely if any result... For fourteen hundred years. That's just... Sad.
I never stated when he began working on that specific power, you are just assuming things. Also even if he did, this is the power of clairvoyance with potentially no limit. No one in the entire history of percy jackson has ever been able to use it willingly, whether they were a child or descendant of Apollo or some other demigod.
 
That is even worse. "Now, I'm ready to face this power! I will train it, and I will master it! Well, may be not now, and not in the next century... But I will surely get to it in a millenia or two!!" Procrastination doesn't even begin to cover it.
 
That is even worse. "Now, I'm ready to face this power! I will train it, and I will master it! Well, may be not now, and not in the next century... But I will surely get to it in a millenia or two!!" Procrastination doesn't even begin to cover it.
🙄Right. Because that's definitely the only thing he needed to train. Also his origin is Runes, so that's like Shirou trying to learn any form of magecraft no associated with Sword.
 
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Not really. It's more out of the fact that for around 1300 years he has improved and knows for a fact that now he should be able to defeat Crimson Moon without needing Zelretch's interference

Like you said, Gil's biggest weakness is his arrogance. Do you honestly that he will use his clairvoyance or honestly try to recognize him in the first few seconds of their encounter.
Hmm. I'll wait and see then. Though, why make him vice director? Couldn't he have been the director himself? 14 centuries is a long time. Or is it because he didn't deem it worth his time?
 
Hmm. I'll wait and see then. Though, why make him vice director? Couldn't he have been the director himself? 14 centuries is a long time. Or is it because he didn't deem it worth his time?
Well the director is also the founder of the Mage's Association who has been alive since the age of gods. Also we(readers of the nasuverse) still don't know who he is.
 
Regardless of what timeline it is, I should be able to defeat every servant single-handedly. If one also adds Scathach and Morgan to the equation then it becomes overkill. The only servants that honestly pose any kind of threat to me are the likes of Karna, Arjuna, and Gilgamesh, even then I believe that I am able to defeat them before they can truly use their full power.

there is archer Hercules that could potentially put up a good fight

Nobu and Raikou due to the anti-mystery stuff

and Abigail Williams because of OOC problem

and of course, Archer that should maybe have a skill as a counter guardian against him? we never actualy saw counter guardians being used in the grail war against a valid counter guardian target , so he may get a never before seen skill
 
🙄Right. Because that's definitely the only thing he needed to train. Also his origin is Runes, so that's like Shirou trying to learn any form of magecraft no associated with Sword.
Runes are perfectly fine tools for divination, thank you very much.
And back to the previous discussion, you explicitly forshadowed the desire for divination training before the timeskip, than you show a year spent training just that one skill with no result for it. After timeskip. Timeskip is fourteen centuries. So, either he was putting it off, for millenia, like a particularly nasty stack of paperwork, or you were trying to become a Roman equivalent of Sisyphus spending time and effort for no gain, for centuries. Shirou spent years trying to break the wall with his head, while learning magecraft, but we can all agree, that he was: a) a kid; b) willpower on legs; c) quite a bit dense and dull. And finally - d) had no alternative in studying magecraft whatsoever, it was either do that, or give up your goals alltogether. Literally nothing of this applies to Malphas. At the end of the day, he had plenty of time and resources to find an actual seer to do the job for him. He could even Mimir them, to stay with the theme!
 
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