Fiend: Thread Two, the Rethreading [Exalted/Worm]

Auks said:
Behemoth has already attacked New York. Unless they break pattern, the Endbringers will not be showing up again.
Isn't it just that they never attack near the same place twice in a row? Otherwise, they'd be incapable of destroying the world as they'd never destroy any sites that they were beaten at.

Plus, there is the fact that Taylor's there; I can see that being enough of a chaotic factor to attract one of them.
 
Carrnage said:
could Cauldron try moving taylor around to ward some of their schemes from simurgh?
Could work. The problem is, that'd screw up their own precogs as well.
 
Carrnage said:
another thing they could do is get any valuable Simurgh victims to interact with Taylor.
This. Taylor jams precog, so Simurghs Rube Goldberg psychology manipulation attack is foiled by her involvement. Too bad she has other tricks as well, like turning random scrap into tinker gear.
 
I think a very good way for Taylor to twarth precogs (including Simurgh) is for her to get the Precog's motivation, and then twarth it. The precog really can't do anything in those cases. So if, say, Simurgh wants to kill a certain someone, she gets that person out of the way, and Simurgh really can't do anything whatsoever about what Taylor does, especially if Taylor throws blasphemies.
 
illhousen said:
Given that there are villains known as "Three Blasphemies" in Worm, this sentence made me imagine Taylor throwing them at Simurgh. One S-class threat to deal with another, nothing can go wrong.
So a variation of toss the dwarf?
 
Honestly, not only is mechanically IMS terrible for Infernals [1], it's also totally wrong for Tailor personality-wise. If anything, she'd be far more likely to get Throne Shadow Style, which also happens to be pretty mechanically useful for her, especially when she picks up a team or some form of mook-making capacity.

[1] Seriously. It's one of the best CMAs out there (it's crack for Sidereals), but it happens to be worst for Infernals because the first charm is obsolete with Malfeas' (better) pain resistance Charms, the second Charm is obsolete with Adorjan's (better) running Charms, and the Form is obsolete with Infernal (better) Shintai Charms and Effortless (Yozi) Dominance.
 
Carrnage said:
could Cauldron try moving taylor around to ward some of their schemes from simurgh?
Kinda would advise against that for a few reasons:

1. It'd hamper their own Precogs, IE, their big guns.

2. Taylor might refuse.

3. If she moves around shielding areas, sooner or later, the Simurgh might notice that there's a odd little bubble where she can't see into, and it's moving around. And that would be a bad thing. Being stealthier then the background is generally considered a bad idea.

And for the record guys? Taylor is in the safest place she can be, ATM. Yes, the PRT know Defiler's in or near NYC....

So what? She can shapeshift, plus, we're talking about 8 million people just in the city alone, the metropolitan area bumps that up to 18.9 million....

Even without a disguise, she can blend in very easily, plus if they find her, she's got plenty of ways out, boat, train, plane, car...
 
Indivisible said:
All joking aside, I agree that there's no way that Taylor would learn Infernal Monster style. Of course, she hasn't shown any signs of having Past Life memories, so they only way she'll learn a martial art is if her coajutor teaches it to her. I wonder what learning Black Claw style, both one of the only CMA that first circle demons can learn and based on a twisted view of affection, would do to her mentally?
Pretty sure Exalts don't need a tutor for their hero style, so she can get Infernal Monster Style if she wants. Black Claw OTOH has issues, given that it has all that weird shit with the teacher that a coadjutor will have trouble exploiting. Also, CMA charms are generally a bit weaker than Adamant Circle exalts native combat charms, with the exception - to a degree - of Hero Styles used by the exalt type they're native to.
 
Mastigo said:
I'm wondering how things are going to go down the first time they consult the ghost of one of Taylor's kills that REALLY pissed her off and all they get back is "OH GOD THE PAIN I'M ON FIIIIIIIIRE" After all, if she's picking up charms based off spur-of-the-moment instinct, then if she just wants someone to suffer for what they've done ...
As far as we know Ghosts can't exist in Wormverse. Now, if Taylor has a charm that specifically make a ghost out a kill, that's different, but...
 
mc2rpg said:
Isn't there an upper cap on what you can use that on based on your essence and the power of the target? I rather expect attempts to use this on the Endbringers or Scion would go poorly.
No upper cap.

The only consideration is if the target has a Shaping Defense(which Scion probably does) to keep you from stealing their shadow.

Otherwise you can copy anyone.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
No upper cap.

The only consideration is if the target has a Shaping Defense(which Scion probably does) to keep you from stealing their shadow.

Otherwise you can copy anyone.
Also need equal essence and it doesn't work on things way more powerful than their essence indicates.
 
Technically all the people in Worm only have essence 1 and the (more powerful than essence indicates) is dependent on ST whim.

But even if it doesn't work on Scion, Contessa or any high end hero would be a good target.
 
mc2rpg said:
Isn't there an upper cap on what you can use that on based on your essence and the power of the target? I rather expect attempts to use this on the Endbringers or Scion would go poorly.
Black Mirror Shintai may only be activated if Nemesis Self Imagined Anew is active and its target is of equal or lesser Essence (and not, at the Storyteller's discretion, significantly more powerful than its Essence indicates, like many behemoths)
 
HioH said:
Technically all the people in Worm only have essence 1 and the (more powerful than essence indicates) is dependent on ST whim.

But even if it doesn't work on Scion, Contessa or any high end hero would be a good target.
Judging by Taylor's use of Insignificant Embers Intuition, parahumans do have Essence 2+.
 
HioH said:
Technically all the people in Worm only have essence 1 and the (more powerful than essence indicates) is dependent on ST whim.

But even if it doesn't work on Scion, Contessa or any high end hero would be a good target.
Thing is, by that logic they're boosted by CRAZY highend endowment charms - and anything E1 that can throw down with an even slightly combat-spec exalt is definitely into (more powerful than essence indicates) territory. At E1, you don't fight exalts with who have any combat capability - you die messily. And Endbringers are most certainly NOT E1.
 
gideon020 said:
In short, Defiler is about to come out into the open.
:3
illhousen said:
Nice to see Taylor learning subtlety. Car-jacking was probably not a smart move unless she has something planned for it.
Yes.
illhousen said:
Anyway, it seems Taylor knows what she is doing. Lets wait for lunch now.
Infernal!Taylor prefers Fourth Meal for her shenanigans.
Rask said:
I wonder what she's trying to achieve, beyond the acquisition of funds. Is she going to rob every gang leader in her files tonight?
No.
chrnno said:
Seriously doubt New York in Worm has those numbers, due to the Endbringers there has been a far greater spread of population through cities after all they attack where they can do the most damage and a city like that would be just asking for an attack. Not to mention I am pretty sure New York was attacked already.
NYC, metro, in my notes is at 12 mil.

Primarily because where else are you going to go. And, that is why there are so many abandoned buildings, as Taylor keeps finding out.

EDIT: On Black Mirror Shintai: No, it won't work on Scion, or the Endbringers.

EDIT the 2nd: Working on 5.2, once I eat. Long drive.

EDIT III: Tomorrow~ On the plus side, its already at 800 words.
 
To be fair, he is suggesting it as an omake for this thread, where the story takes a different route.
 
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