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Oh, never mind than. I forgot what DTAS did and just assumed she popped By Rage Recast.SolipsistSerpen said:
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Depends entirely on how she does it. For instance, if they are accusing her, and she parries with a 'she threatened to kill my father', no penalty for the parry. If she tries to worm her way around the situation, playing to prejudices, working angles, no penalty. She'd be working off her Manipulations score in the second one, but not with the penalty.mc2rpg said:
Mind, her Man score is probably 1, so has a lower dice pool for Excellencies, (and thence CCC), so she might actually be better off with Charisma even with the penalty, particularly since she has low ratings and her Essence limits how much of the penalty can be applied.
Question. From what I read, infernals deal heavily with mutations (by rage recast as the already in-story example). Do they have any charms that can remove mutations? Because if yes, this would make Taylor both very dangerous and very useful to Cauldron - after all, all Cauldron powers are definitely mutations. So, she could maybe turn Cauldron capes into normal humans as a method of attack. The usability comes from high-risk, high-power formulas. Find one volunteer and have him drink the formula. If you get a bad case 53, have Taylor cleanse the mutation, and then repeat the process.
Oh, that could be very fun then, when she accidentally removes, say, Alexandria's/Legend's/Eidolon's powers. Publicly. While trying to heal her/him or something (say, during an Endbringer event).Rask said:
EDIT: And if that's too broken, she should at least be an effective counter to Crawler.
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Well, Shadow had better PRAY Taylor killed her.
If not, Piggot'll smother her in chicken blood and dump her in the middle of the Everglades.
If not, Piggot'll smother her in chicken blood and dump her in the middle of the Everglades.
He's not really healing though. He's growing mutations that make him immune to the type of damage her took previously. It would be useful against Endbringers though.Rask said:
Does she get knowledge of what each mutation does? If not, how would she know that this tumor in Legend's brain is the source of his powers, and not, say, a cancerous tumor that would kill him in half a year?BlackWarth said:
She'll be very popular with case 53s, won't she?BlackWarth said:
Ok, an acquired detrimental mutation, something he picked up while fighting, I dunno, Labrat or Bonesaw that precludes him from using his powers to the full potential? The point is, if she doesn't know what mutation detected does what, only that it is mutation and where it's generally located, misunderstandings of such nature could occur.Rask said:Because she's using the Charm in anti-mutation mode, not in anti-Sickness mode
I would think it wouldn't be so easy to sever the connections between the shards and their bearers. The shards want to be used after all, and they will connect with someone with the same dna and personality, as shown by the clones. So even if Taylor could remove the powers by changing the mutations I would think they would just come back. She could probably set Crawler back quite a bit though by removing the individual mutations he is making whenever he gets damaged, but that would probably take quite a few removals before it caused any worthwhile difference.
The lobe in the brain just helps control parahuman powers, it's not actually the source- and this still applies to Cauldron capes, since we know from Scion's interlude that they still have a connection to a Passenger. I'm not too familiar with SWLiHN charms, so I'm not sure exactly how that works. If all it overrides is physical mutations, then no, it would just send their powers irrevocably out of control.
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Parahuman status certainly shouldn't be as easy to remove as a simple mutation. Both may include physical changes, but the former is quite different; Taylor was physically altered by fusing with her coadjutor, but that doesn't mean removing those mutations would remove her Infernal Exaltation. Certainly, if I was writing mechanics for it, I wouldn't bother assigning the Shaping keyword to the trigger event. Honestly, rather than mutations, parahumans are more like, hm. Something like Infernal Exaltations, if they were too limited to express more than one or two Charms (with a few straight upgrades costing loads of special "Conflict XP"), and were made out of First Circle Demons who never actually made a physical appearance or spoke to their "partner" except subconsciously.
Now, the question emerges; what of the Case 53s? Could you remove their mutations while leaving their powers basically intact - perhaps altering them to something like what they were "supposed" to be if it weren't for failings in the formula? Maybe. Maybe not - it might register as their natural state now, rendering them impossible to "cure" by way of simply punching their mutations off. I doubt you could reapply Taylor's scars and blemishes or remove her elongated fingers by smacking her with Order-Affirming Blow. Alternatively, their co-opted shard might reapply the changes (perhaps slightly differently, or worse) after they're removed. It's largely up to what kind of story is being told, here.
Now, the question emerges; what of the Case 53s? Could you remove their mutations while leaving their powers basically intact - perhaps altering them to something like what they were "supposed" to be if it weren't for failings in the formula? Maybe. Maybe not - it might register as their natural state now, rendering them impossible to "cure" by way of simply punching their mutations off. I doubt you could reapply Taylor's scars and blemishes or remove her elongated fingers by smacking her with Order-Affirming Blow. Alternatively, their co-opted shard might reapply the changes (perhaps slightly differently, or worse) after they're removed. It's largely up to what kind of story is being told, here.
If being monstrous is their natural status Taylor might be able to give them a mutation to look human. Still, whether or not that works is dependent on the story as well.Revlid said:
Clarification: Mutations is a game term for differences from the assumed norm, not from nature, and animals are built from mutations. For instance, size away from human size is a mutation many animals have. So are wings. It's wierd, but there's a fair whack of powers that affect 'mutations' so it's kind of needed. So yeah, in theory an Infernal coud return anyone to looking human.Cytokinesis said:
Spiritual things can be mutations, (infamously, Creature of Darkness), though the physical ones are more common. Exalted has a smaller gap between the spirit and the body than most would assume. I think metaphysical bonds with a parasite/symbiote are beyond that, though.
note: Immortality (age only) is also a mutation. Not relevant to fiend, but SWLiHN could strip it from humans. Doesn't apply to spirits though. Ironically, I believe verdant emptiness could bestow mutations, and then SWLiHN charm could remove the automatic CoD mutation. If Taylor went that route in some two year time skip, she could effectively make some parahuman equivalents.
First, major spoilers. Please spoil this for people who haven't read worm.WizardOne said:
As to your comment: 2013 is when she turned 18 and graduated the Wards for the Protectorate.
No she did. Remember she was in the Wards up until her 18th Birthday then once she turned 18 and became an adult she could and did join the Protectorate.WizardOne said:
Edit: D-d-Double Ninja!
If Sophia dies, they still have thinkers. They are going to at least try to give Taylor the benefit of the doubt here and figure out what could have caused such a severe reaction.
Her 18th birthday was in that massive timeskip chapter at the end of the Chicargo Wards arc. IIRC it skipped around one and a half years. Which combined with all the other timeskips in that arc covers the entire 2 year period until the end of the world..Harish said:
Or you can not be a jackass and try not to do the same for other people. Just because someone else spoiled it for you doesn't mean it's right for you to ruin it for other people. At least try to be considerate.WizardOne said:
It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to do it purposefully and deny deny deny when people point it out.
This is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. This is a theory that was suggested since chapter one of the manga. You spoiled something that is the culmination of millions of words of planning and treated as an absolutely massive event in canon. The fact that you don't see the difference just shows how much this is about you getting back at the world for having it spoiled for you, which is frankly childish.WizardOne said:
This isn't the Worm thread. This is the Fiend thread. The spoiler you gave has nothing to do with the story at current. You might have had a point if we were in the Worm thread, but we're not, and some people haven't read it yet who are reading this story because it is Exalted.WizardOne said:
Of course people are talking about spoilers in the Worm discussion thread. Discussing Worm is what that thread is for! Talk about various thing has been mostly put in spoilers in this thread, or referred to obliquely if at all. It hasn't been shouted from the rafters like you are doing. People do in fact go back and edit their posts if such is pointed out. It's happened several times already, up until you got that stick up your ass and refused to take 10 seconds out of your day to edit in color tags.
The entire timeline is a derail in the first place. The fact that you didn't stay away from a place that discusses the latest chapter every day doesn't mean you should go around spoiling it in other places.
On one hand it sucks very much because Taylor is now on the run from the law, and it's ridiculously easy for someone to put spin on this and make her out to be a vile person, but on the other hand Sophia finally got the comeuppance of living to her philosophy.Tylenol said:
See, the funny thing is that this derail would have been over half a page ago if you had bothered to take 10 seconds out of your day to edit your post. Of course, that was too much work to go against your perceived self-righteousness.WizardOne said:
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