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Evangelion Ideas Thread: You Can (Not) Rebuild

Besides, even if all women wanted "men who look like men" (lolnope) - that'd still leave Kaworu ;)

(also, stop making me agree with Dealer!)
 
Stop: I want women who look like extraterrestrial polyhedral siege octahedra
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    • Tabron89 said:
    Nope, he's too pretty to get laid combined with the fact that he has no real idea on how to socialise with people because he doesn't understand the signals that normal people would recognise due to his parents abandoning him.

    It's actually a problem that modern Japanese have nowadays.

    Basically, humans actually want men who look like men and women that look like women.

    Humans have no idea how to handle men who look like women and women who look like men, even if Japan is filled with 'ikemen'.
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    i want women who look like extraterrestrial polyhedral siege octahedra
    Sufficient Velocity is a platform that has chosen an inclusive stance towards people of all ethnicities and identities, and on such a forum, a statement like this finds itself in violation of the second rule of Sufficient Velocity. While it is not very major, it still awards itself a staff notice and a three-day threadban.
     
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    • Just been doing some reading on Non-Nuclear (N2) munitions used in NGE, and so far I've seen everything from mines and missiles through to depth charges.

    Has there been any canonical information on what the smallest possible N2 warhead that is feasible in-universe? I'm entertaining the idea of having Kensuke's Unit-07 have both unguided rockets and surface-to-surface missiles armed with N2 warheads, most likely around the same size as the rounds used in the Davy Crockett recoilless gun.

    I don't expect them to be able to dish out any substantial damage on their own, but they may distract/annoy the latest Angel enough for another Eva to finish it off.
     
    N2 mines are literally just nuclear bombs but magically lacking fallout or any kind of toxic byproducts.

    So just use them as analogues of real world nuclear munitions because Evangelion is by no means a hard sci-fi show and trying to make it one will just end with you learning that the JSSDF had access to a 45 Gigaton explosive device (that was somehow never used when Sachiel was making the UN army look like a bunch of useless twits).
     
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    Dealer said:
    N2 mines are literally just nuclear bombs but magically lacking fallout or any kind of toxic byproducts.

    So just use them as analogues of real world nuclear munitions because Evangelion is by no means a hard sci-fi show and trying to make it one will just end with you learning that the JSSDF had access to a 45 Gigaton explosive device (that was somehow never used when Sachiel was making the UN army look like a bunch of useless twits).
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    That has got to be some kind of translation error. 45 gigatons is "demolish a planet to make way for a new hyperspatial express route" level.

    And even a somewhat saner 45 kilotons would still be destroying the city to save the city.
     
    Jake said:
    That has got to be some kind of translation error. 45 gigatons is "demolish a planet to make way for a new hyperspatial express route" level.

    And even a somewhat saner 45 kilotons would still be destroying the city to save the city.
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    Or just writers not being familiar with technical stuff. Not exactly a new phenomenon.
     
    Jake said:
    That has got to be some kind of translation error. 45 gigatons is "demolish a planet to make way for a new hyperspatial express route" level.

    And even a somewhat saner 45 kilotons would still be destroying the city to save the city.
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    Nope. 45 gigatons is the yield of the one from EoE that the JSSDF use to open up the Geofront. It's shockwaves were shown to destroy mountains and the whole thing had an explosive diameter of over 20 km.

    Again, trying to math out this show is going to give you an aneurysm.
     
    sumghai said:
    Has there been any canonical information on what the smallest possible N2 warhead that is feasible in-universe?
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    Not really anything canon. The smallest one we get a good look at is the one Rei hand-carries in Unit-00, and that's about the size of the Eva's head.


    But given we can make RL nukes as small as a MIRV warhead, I doubt anyone will blink if you have small scale N2 weapons show up, and just be less powerful.
     
    Jake said:
    That has got to be some kind of translation error. 45 gigatons is "demolish a planet to make way for a new hyperspatial express route" level.

    And even a somewhat saner 45 kilotons would still be destroying the city to save the city.
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    1.5 × 10^22 J (~4 teratons or 4000 gigatons of tnt) of sunlight strikes the surface of the Earth every day. You need 9 orders of magnitude more energy (2.9 × 10^31 J) to reduce the Earth to gravel orbiting the sun. Source

    Gigatons (of tnt) is a civilization cripplingly large unit, but nowhere near planet killing. Earthquakes of magnitude 9.0 and large caldera eruptions (Thera, Mazama) have total energy outputs of around 0.5 GT. Super volcano erruptions are estimated to be in the hundreds of gigatons to single digit teratons. Asteroid impacts can reach into the hundreds of teratons (hundred thousands of gigatons).
     
    Dealer said:
    Nope. 45 gigatons is the yield of the one from EoE that the JSSDF use to open up the Geofront. It's shockwaves were shown to destroy mountains and the whole thing had an explosive diameter of over 20 km.

    Again, trying to math out this show is going to give you an aneurysm.
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    Which means it's fair to ignore the official numbers given because they often make little sense.
     
    Honestly you really shouldn't give numbers at all. They don't do anything other than get people to either complain about how wrong you got it, or you get the dragon ball z problem of fans claiming numbers are all that matter.
     
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    Thanks for the pointers guys - gonna keep the yield much, much lower and vague for the reduced size of the warheads.

    In the words of Gabriel Lorca - "Just a scratch."
     
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    @sumghai do you plan on making the Flight II EVAs physically smaller?
    Also you wrote me that even tanks might receive energy based weapon systems so wouldn't it be the most sensible thing to just scrap the old projectile based rifles and switch completely over to directed nergy weapons?

    Alternatively an Angels A.T.-Field is canceled out with the one of a Unit in close quarters so projectile weapons of a more "creative" approach could be used.

    Little example:
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    "The Porcupine"
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    The Procupine is a new type of weapon developed which primary use is to inflict severe damage in a rather small area of an Angel and cripple specific parts of it. It consists of a disk ten meters in diameter and half a meter thick made out of cheap normal steel with spikes on one side and a handle to be held by a Unit on the other. Attached to the surface of an Angel you give it a good whack, it buries itself into the Angel with the spikes half breaking of, then propelled further inside by charges and explode just a moment later blasting a very devastating hole into the Angel.
    The Porcupine saw good use against the couple of hill sized Angels and was able to on two occasions to cripple the parts with the most devastating effect on the Units. It made killing those two specific Angels a lot easier with less damage inflcited upon the area and the Units.


    Just an idea that came to mind. There are numerous way's you could profit from a bit more specialized weapons/equipment to make fighting some of the Angels easier and less messy.
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    Rajvik_wolfboy said:
    Actually, I think we have made them small enough to fit a 155mm artillery shell with I think a half Kt. yield.
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    grommile said:
    The W48 155mm shell was apparently a plutonium-based fission weapon with a fixed yield of 72 tonnes (0.072 kt) TNT equivalent.
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    The Davy Crockett recoilless gun I mentioned fires a M-388 round, which makes use of a 23kg W54 warhead with a yield of 10~20 tonnes TNT equivalent. This is close to the 16 kg critical mass for Uranium-233.

    But I digress.

    Neepa said:
    @sumghai do you plan on making the Flight II EVAs physically smaller?
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    Not physically smaller, just cheaper and easier to build/maintain, with the key drawback that they won't perform as well as the Flight I's. In fact, I'm tempted to throw in a joke somewhere about being built by the lowest bidder or something.

    Neepa said:
    Also you wrote me that even tanks might receive energy based weapon systems so wouldn't it be the most sensible thing to just scrap the old projectile based rifles and switch completely over to directed nergy weapons?
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    With the astronomical power requirements and low firing rates, directed energy based weapons won't see widespread adoption by NERV, much less non-NERV parties. Most likely the NERV Positron Rifle power cells will require a bank of salvaged S2 Engines/Reactors trickle-charging them over a period of weeks just for eight standard shots. (Non-NERV parties fielding tanks with hastily-cobbled Positron "cannons"? Three shots before the vehicle has to be recharged for months.)

    Also, I wanted to make an allegory to Rock Beats Laser.

    Neepa said:
    Alternatively an Angels A.T.-Field is canceled out with the one of a Unit in close quarters so projectile weapons of a more "creative" approach could be used.
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    I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. Let's take the rest of this to private correspondence.
     
    Dealer said:
    Nah, Asuka would totally be the clingy jealous type, especially if she's had several failed relationships. Anything would be better than the stinging void of loneliness she's lived her life in, especially since in Shinji there's someone who might want her for her, instead of a trophy.
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    Isn't Shinji choking Asuka because Asuka really hurt him very much ? I don't think Shinji and Asuka can become friend if they don't take care their issue .

    I really wonder how different Asuka intrumentality compare to Shinji ? If Asuka comeback from her intrumentality before shinji what would she do ?
     
    sumghai said:
    Not physically smaller, just cheaper and easier to build/maintain, with the key drawback that they won't perform as well as the Flight I's. In fact, I'm tempted to throw in a joke somewhere about being built by the lowest bidder or something.



    With the astronomical power requirements and low firing rates, directed energy based weapons won't see widespread adoption by NERV, much less non-NERV parties. Most likely the NERV Positron Rifle power cells will require a bank of salvaged S2 Engines/Reactors trickle-charging them over a period of weeks just for eight standard shots. (Non-NERV parties fielding tanks with hastily-cobbled Positron "cannons"? Three shots before the vehicle has to be recharged for months.)

    Also, I wanted to make an allegory to Rock Beats Laser.
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    I may be able to pitch in with ideas for these.
     
    Hey Fraktal do you remember this old idea you had?

    amitakartok said:
    I have a short story idea but don't know where to go with it. The basic idea is not completely unlike (except for the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy) a gender-reversed version of Father minus the OOC - but considering the bad reaction that fic had among us here, I have no idea what to do with it.

    One thing it definitely won't have is a super-protective male coddling a whiny female, like in Father. It would, however, have two scared-shitless teens going "shitshitshitshitshitshit, what the hell are we going to do now?!" The whole thing would be treated as dead-serious matter, no humor or "love solves anything" bullshit. They're not ready for this, plain and simple; they know they're not ready and everyone else does too.
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    Also I think the fic Father was remade by someone else to be less ooc than the original.
     
    Back with yet another hard scifi question!

    What is the average mass and dimensions of an EVA?

    As part of my story, NERV will have to respond to Angel attacks far outside of Tokyo-3 at a few hours' notice, sometimes halfway across the world, which necessitates some very fast global transport.

    My current idea is putting the EVAs inside a hypersonic waverider transport lifting body that is then launched on a suborbital trajectory by some big dumb boosters; the waverider cruises the rest of the way with scramjets, before breaking apart like a piñata and dropping the EVA into battle.

    IRL, most super heavy-lift launch vehicles can only take payloads of 50~100 metric tons to LEO, although the cancelled Sea Dragon and the proposed SpaceX BFR could theoretically do 400 and 500 tons to LEO respectively. I'm sort of partial to the Sea Dragon, as the design was already validated in the 60's and was explicitly designed to be built very cheaply at shipyards - potentially feasible for NERV to churn out replacements every few months.

    Thoughts?
     
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