Enter the Dragon (TRO Dongbei Quest)
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Hermes King
Hack Writer in the making
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[X] Plan: To Reach Heaven Through Violence
MordredRaal
Agitating
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[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
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[X] Plan: To Reach Heaven Through Violence
Concerns about us becoming a barracks state are missing the point: with the much capitalist China itching to invade we're de facto going to be a barracks state until we have some breathing room. Giving the military something to help it along is going to necessary just to get by
Concerns about us becoming a barracks state are missing the point: with the much capitalist China itching to invade we're de facto going to be a barracks state until we have some breathing room. Giving the military something to help it along is going to necessary just to get by
Do you actually think fake china will try to invade us with the Soviet Union backing us. The Soviet Union would never just stand by if they try anything.
[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
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[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
LuxemburgLover69
There are more things between Heaven and Earth...
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[X] Plan: To Reach Heaven Through Violence
Children future plan is great. Aggressive radical education practices will have massive beneficial knock-on effects, and that can't be stated enough. But I am a militarist at heart.
Children future plan is great. Aggressive radical education practices will have massive beneficial knock-on effects, and that can't be stated enough. But I am a militarist at heart.
Spartakrod
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As a point of order, the Soviet plan in case of Nanjing trying to invade Dongbei is to first demand the Republic withdraw, and if refused, immediately nuke the invading army and warn them that they will escalate further with nuclear strikes deeper into China and a counteroffensive if they don't back down.
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[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future.
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i think we run the risk of becoming complacent should we not move to actually begin preparations for a war of liberation and reunification in these key early votes. I want to see at least one militarist option win, and for our economy and society to be somewhat prepared for war rather than building up over time while giving the ROC more time to stabilize and more breathing room.
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The Militarist options don't prepare us for war. They strengthen the Militarists control over the party and state institutions. Given the military already has a near literal gun to the back of our heads, I don't see the need to give them even more leeway over controlling our internal affairs. If we want to strengthen our defenses vote for more military spending when the option comes up. Giving the Military control over education and party youth groups does not do that. It gives them a pipeline to put more guns in more hands to press to the back of our heads.
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[X] Plan: For the Children are the Hope of the Future
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[X] Plan: To Reach Heaven Through Violence
oh wait did voting end?
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As far as I'm aware, Star hasn't stated that.
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Vote is closed
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i do not want expanded defenses however, that's the thing. I want us ready for the inevitable war of reunification so we can move offensively and take the initiative, rather than remaining placid and holing up in what little land we have. besides, you speak of a need to defang militarist influence but you do not realize that if we do not give some concessions to them, they will be less willing to play ball with us and (likely) become more insubordinate and willing to take action against us. If you want to excise them from the political sphere, they have to find some kind of victory in doing so.
again tho, I want more offensive capability to liberate the whole of China, not to remain the lapdog of the Soviets unlike certain other delegates.
I am fairly certain that all the delegates wants to have the capacity to pull such an offensive and render the Nanjing Government a footnote in history. But what the Militarist Faction wants is to formalize the sheer amount of influence they have in the Dongbei Government, which I would argue would worsen the state's military capabilities not better it. After all if the Armed Forces is that involved in the running of the state than it would have to spend less time making sure that the Armed Forces are trained, equipped, and are ready to fight in a moment's notice because of all the politicking they now have to do.
So in a way, to make sure that we have an Armed Forces ready to take on the task of conquering China, we have to make sure that the Militarist's focus is on Military Affairs and not governing the Chinese Soviet Republic.
And it's not like this is the end of the political maneuvering. I am sure we can trade favors and give concessions to them in the future. After all they are Internationalists, and we do want a Red East Asia at minimum and at maximum have the Nanjing Government be surrounded by Left Aligned States that are sympathetic to us.
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right everything else i feel has some valid points (thus why i have no issue working to push other legislation), but this part specifically troubles me.
most other developmental options are long-term, ambitious and fragile projects that would likely be disrupted or damaged by any wartime actions. for example, every radical option thus far has been significantly longer than both the Militarists option and Bolshevists option. the Bolshevists are interested in creating a rump state that would pose a challenge to the US puppet to the south, while the radicals seem more interested in whatever experimental society they seek to create. neither are there to prepare us for war, but rather to nation-build the splinter state we currently are into a nation in our own right.
i do not want this. I do not want a beautiful, prosperous, forward-thinking, stable Soviet Republic of Dongbei. I want a whole, unified, and strong Soviet Republic of China. perhaps this is what other delegates wish for as well, but with the options they are voting for and the time it would take to fully implement these reforms, I doubt it.