Empire lost, but the spark remains v2 - original setting CK2 quest

[X] Let Tywin take charge of Addy, if nothing else, his guardsmen were well experienced in cleaning up messes.
[X] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Jarrod
[X] Religious institutions will be kept out of direct governmental affairs, but the crown pledges to establish a post of personal religious adviser.
 
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[X] Religious institutions will be kept out of direct governmental affairs, but the crown pledges to establish a post of personal religious adviser.
[X] Let Tywin take charge of Addy, if nothing else, his guardsmen were well experienced in cleaning up messes.
[X] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Jarrod

I feel that dividing the children evenly makes the most sense. I say we give him the boys, while we take care of the girls.

A personal religious advisor might be helpful, and seems to be the least disruptive change.
 
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@yannoshka I am confused as to what it meant with "malus to morale". What is it exactly?
Presumably minus to morale means... morale is lower because people are unhappy about the decision. And given we're going to a very dangerous, scary island, having worse morale is not a good risk to take.
Yep.
To elaborate more, Morale is an abstract resource/gauge that in part determines what kind of options you will get.
While you cannot get a popular uprising against your assess until the standard game turns, you can and will hemorrhage population and increase DC for your choices if you do not keep on top of the morale.
I will include the state of your morale once you reach the island and start setting up, but to help you come to decision, your current morale is neutral++ which means it is neutral going to positive.
Taking a malus here would slow the rise of morale, but not stop it. Effectively you drop to neutral+. Meaning it would take you more turns/actions to switch over to positive morale.
In essence, malus taken here would not sink you, but it would be felt.
 
We can have Tywin adopt more than 1 kid?

Yep:
(choose as many as you want)
[] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Jarrod
[] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Bea
[] Let Tywin take charge of Addy, if nothing else, his guardsmen were well experienced in cleaning up messes.
[] Let Tywin take point in the dealings with Livvy and her mysterious patrons.

It says "choose as many as you want"
 
I intended to close the vote in 10-12h
But, on reflection decided to extend that by an additional 24h, and offer some deeper clarifications.

On the matter of the religious matters vote:
- ministerial position would be taking a step towards constitutional monarchy
- religious adviser is a step towards the reaffirmation of unitary monarchy
- accepting clergy into administration is taking a step towards theocratical monarchy
- maintaining separation of state and church is a step towards federative monarchy

Now, a step does not guarantee the endpoint. Thre is the entirety of prep turns to fiddle around, and fine-tune where you want the government to end at.
 
Yanno, since I think everyone had ample time to consider my previous post by now, I think I'll close the vote a bit sooner.
Unless something comes up - and with me that is quite likely - vote closes in say... 4h
 
[X] Religious institutions will be kept out of direct governmental affairs, but the crown pledges to establish a post of personal religious adviser.
[X] Let Tywin take charge of Addy, if nothing else, his guardsmen were well experienced in cleaning up messes.
[X] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Jarrod
 
Adhoc vote count started by yannoshka on Nov 12, 2020 at 3:42 PM, finished with 17 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Let Tywin take charge of Addy, if nothing else, his guardsmen were well experienced in cleaning up messes.
    [X] Let Tywin be the one to officially adopt Jarrod
    [X] Religious institutions will be kept out of direct governmental affairs, but the crown pledges to establish a post of personal religious adviser.
    [X] While no overt power will be granted to the clergy, the restriction upon them taking up governmental and/or administrative positions will be lifted
    [X] Let Tywin take point in the dealings with Livvy and her mysterious patrons.
    [X] There will be no changes in the current way of doing things. Separation of church and state will remain in effect

Vote closed.
Ty gets the boys and Crown appoints a personal religious adviser.
Baring any problems, next update should come out by Sunday.

Thus, You have until Saturday to get back to me with what y'all want to do with those divine agenda rolls.
If I don't see an agreement, I will proceed under the assumption that I am to use the rolls as they fell, without any replacements with fortune roll!

As a reminder, the fortune roll was 25 - it can be used to replace any one rolled die.
Rot-Begotten rolls: 13, 33 for a total of 46
Eastern pantheon: 12, 50 for a total of 62
Mysterious ??? rolls: 17, 36 for a total of 53
The higher the total, the better for the specific pantheon's agenda (each of the 3 have their own), which might or might not necessarily coincide with what is best for Astaria and nuTasakarim.
 
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Replace the 12 for the Eastern Pantheon with the 25.

That's my argument, as the Eastern Pantheon is the one that is in favor of civilization. Since we are going to be cut off from the rest of civilization, I think we can do with all the help there we can get.

Obviously the Rot Begotten are tricksters, and as such of dubious help. While the Mysterious is mysterious, so we don't know what they have in store for us.
 
62 is already above average. I'm leaning towards saving it for later this turn. I do agree that boosting the Rot Begotten or the Mysterious is not advised.
 
Eastern Pantheon then. I like what I have heard of the Rot-begotten, but the Eastern Pantheon is the one with the lowest base roll and as such I want to replace the 12 with the 25 instead of the 13.
 
So, the consensus seems to be crystalizing towards the Eastern pantheon.
If nothing changes in the next 6-8 h, I'll probably be locking that in.
In other news, I'll be away from my main PC for most of tomorrow, so the update might be postponed for a day.
Otoh, I might be getting a new work laptop for my use tomorrow as well, which could make me able to write during the long hours of downtime I periodically experience at work, once I go back this Monday (how fast do 3 weeks go... :( ) so my general writing speed just might pick up...
We shall see.
 
Aaand done!
The divine agenda rolls are locked in!

And now, just for fun, I will show you the results of that, without giving you any context, MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rot-Begotten:
46<50 no progress
46 not divisible by: 3, 9, 27 or 81, no progress
0/?? progress on the agenda

Eastern Pantheon:
75>50 +1 progress
75≥75 +2 progress
75 divisible by 5 +1 progress
75 divisible by 25 (75/25=3) +3 progress
7/5 stage 1 agenda completed overflow
2/?? stage 2 agenda progress

???:
53>50 +1 progress
53 not divisible by 2,3,4,5,6,24,30,36,60 no progress
1/60 progress on the agenda

And to completely wind you up, I am going to roll progress for them periodically in the background, but you will only ever learn of the progress when I ask you fine folks specifically to roll again on it.
 
Rot-Begotten:
46<50 no progress
46 not divisible by: 3, 9, 27 or 81, no progress
0/?? progress on the agenda

So progress increases by powers of three for the Rot-Begotten.

Eastern Pantheon:
75>50 +1 progress
75≥75 +2 progress
75 divisible by 5 +1 progress
75 divisible by 25 (75/25=3) +3 progress
7/5 stage 1 agenda completed overflow
2/?? stage 2 agenda progress

While the Eastern Pantheon increases progress by powers of 5.

???:
53>50 +1 progress
53 not divisible by 2,3,4,5,6,24,30,36,60 no progress
1/60 progress on the agenda

The primes for the Mysterious are 2, 3, and 5.

2 x 2 = 4
2 x 3 = 6
2 x 3 x (2 x 2) = 24
2 x 3 x 5 = 30
2 x 3 x (2 x 3) = 36
2 x 2 x 3 x 5 = 60

Those are the patterns I'm seeing...

Wondering why there isn't a 3 x 5 or a 3 x 2 x 3 x 5 (15 and 90) in the list of numbers to divide by....
 
So progress increases by powers of three for the Rot-Begotten.



While the Eastern Pantheon increases progress by powers of 5.



The primes for the Mysterious are 2, 3, and 5.

2 x 2 = 4
2 x 3 = 6
2 x 3 x (2 x 2) = 24
2 x 3 x 5 = 30
2 x 3 x (2 x 3) = 36
2 x 2 x 3 x 5 = 60

Those are the patterns I'm seeing...

Wondering why there isn't a 3 x 5 or a 3 x 2 x 3 x 5 (15 and 90) in the list of numbers to divide by....
All I'll say is that you are right about the first two, but the wrong branch of math for the last, and that when taken laterally the answer to that is a pretty big clue as to the nature of the mysterious pantheon.
It is a deep-dive kinda geek idea I'm rather proud of, though you people will probably hate my guts after the reveal.
That or decide I'm an uber-nerd, despite me actually hating mathematicians with a deep abiding passion (maths is the purest of the pure as the sciences can go, those who engage in it professionally are the scum of the earth and mar it with their dirty, disgusting everything...)
 
All I'll say is that you are right about the first two, but the wrong branch of math for the last, and that when taken laterally the answer to that is a pretty big clue as to the nature of the mysterious pantheon.
It is a deep-dive kinda geek idea I'm rather proud of, though you people will probably hate my guts after the reveal.
That or decide I'm an uber-nerd, despite me actually hating mathematicians with a deep abiding passion (maths is the purest of the pure as the sciences can go, those who engage in it professionally are the scum of the earth and mar it with their dirty, disgusting everything...)

Is this that least common multiple thing? That wasn't part of the curriculum when I was in grade school.

My sister asked me to help my niece with her math homework once when visiting, since the common core math was really doing a number on her ability to help Abby with her homework.

It was really confusing at first, because I didn't have access to any math book or anything explaining it, and just had to figure it out from the problems. But once I figured it out it was really interesting, and I remember getting a little excited about it. (I am the math nerd in our family - even if my mother and my other sister are the actual math majors).

That sort of solidified my take on common core math. It's trying to teach kids to think the way math nerds do. It was basically trying to get them to think of the little tricks that I sort of taught myself back during grade school (since I hated math homework - I like the math, I just hated how boring the drills where). The problem is that most kids are not math nerds, and really just need some direct instruction instead of trying to guide them into figuring it out themselves. And most parents are not math nerds either, so they are not able to help their kids learn. And most grade school teachers are not math nerds either, so they can't really help much other than regurgitate whatever they picked up from the training workshop.

It's a laudable goal, and I think my kids would benefit a huge amount (because I could actually help them), but for most people it's like trying to build a spaceship when all the builders are carpenters. There just isn't the infrastructure of teachers and parents to support it properly.

Of course, since I never got to actually go through the curriculum I don't actually know a lot about it. We studied something similar, but it was the least common denominator that we focused on.
 
That or decide I'm an uber-nerd, despite me actually hating mathematicians with a deep abiding passion (maths is the purest of the pure as the sciences can go, those who engage in it professionally are the scum of the earth and mar it with their dirty, disgusting everything...)

Math is a Language. It's just that it is a language of describing/communicating measurements that makes people use a part of their brain (Neural Calculator) they don't use for any other language that masks that fact.
 
Sorry for the continuing delays.
I... don't actually have a single good reason for why it is taking me so long.
Just a bunch of small stuff and my muse being uncooperative.
It's coming. First draft is all but complete, but, polishing it up to something half-way coherent and publish-able is fighting me.
Mostly, by me being distracted by completely unrelated plot-bunnies.
Also, the new work laptop did come in. And then I promptly had to return it, because the IT illiterate idiot (my supervisor's supervisor) somehow managed to break it somehow during the transport, so I am awaiting the replacement, while the company is trying to figure out how to acquire a new one without taking an outright loss nor embarrassing the well-connected nincompoop... Urgh... Office politics at their worst.
 
Sorry for the continuing delays.
I... don't actually have a single good reason for why it is taking me so long.
Just a bunch of small stuff and my muse being uncooperative.
It's coming. First draft is all but complete, but, polishing it up to something half-way coherent and publish-able is fighting me.
Mostly, by me being distracted by completely unrelated plot-bunnies.
Also, the new work laptop did come in. And then I promptly had to return it, because the IT illiterate idiot (my supervisor's supervisor) somehow managed to break it somehow during the transport, so I am awaiting the replacement, while the company is trying to figure out how to acquire a new one without taking an outright loss nor embarrassing the well-connected nincompoop... Urgh... Office politics at their worst.

It's alright. Take your time and do it right. We'll wait.
 
Sorry for the continuing delays.
I... don't actually have a single good reason for why it is taking me so long.
Just a bunch of small stuff and my muse being uncooperative.
It's coming. First draft is all but complete, but, polishing it up to something half-way coherent and publish-able is fighting me.
Mostly, by me being distracted by completely unrelated plot-bunnies.
Also, the new work laptop did come in. And then I promptly had to return it, because the IT illiterate idiot (my supervisor's supervisor) somehow managed to break it somehow during the transport, so I am awaiting the replacement, while the company is trying to figure out how to acquire a new one without taking an outright loss nor embarrassing the well-connected nincompoop... Urgh... Office politics at their worst.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
 
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