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Elysian Dream (Byzantium in the New World) (EU4 Quest)

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Arlos said:
Only 200k greek? That's pitifully few considering the time we have been here.
Well, our Empire is Boned then, it's eventually going to fragment.
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Consider that the entire population of Constantinople c. 1444 is 50,000; the Byzantines almost certainly didn't bring the whole city with them (as amusing as that mental image is), and whatever growth they'd have is going to end up partially counteracted by disease, infant mortality, war, etc etc.
EDIT: Realistically, Elysia even a hundred years in (1545), is majority Native American, ethnically. Vastly majority, at that; Greeks (and Europeans in general, really; the Byzantines probably brought over Latin and Turkish mercenaries with them who are considered just as 'Roman/Elysian' as the rest of them at this point) probably only make up ~5-10% of the population.

What Elysia has going for it is that the natives it conquers and expands into... Romanize/Hellenize, for want of a better term. Sure, 9/10 of the population might be ethnically Amerindian or mixed, but they're probably culturally Elysian, at least for the most part.
 
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LonelyWolf999 said:
[] Plan Getting Stronk
-[ ] [110 Administrative] We stand on the shoulders of giants - Aristotle, Plato, Socrates. Yet their legacy is being built upon every day, and new ways of thinking are beginning to proliferate among natural philosophers. Understanding the world in a systemic way can be applied to more than just knowledge - we must be prepared to adjust our views and experiment to achieve the utmost for the realm. [Unlocks Plantations and a new Idea Group].
-[ ] [90 Diplomatic] The navy is at present comprised of similar vessels, differing only in size and armament. But as the applicable uses and range of seapower both increase the differentiation of vessels on a more fundamental level is becoming more common. We should endorse this new practice with some experimental designs, to make sure that our warships and merchantmen can outperform our rivals in times of need.
-[ ] [1300 Hyperpyra] [Nyspios] The theme of Nyspios is primarily populated by Elysian settlers, with only the outermost region falling under the control of the Natchez tribe. Despite its coastal location the local industry is more concerned with farming and furs than exploiting the sea, while there seems some potential for cotton cultivation among the marshland of the Natchez territory. Expanding the coastal dock and shipyard system would also provide direly need services to ships that have rounded the point of Anthiros and entered the bay.
-[ ] [810 -2250 Expenses] As the splendour of the empire grows and trade links deepen with Europe, the Imperial Court of New Constantinople is becoming the de facto heart of a new and distinctly Byzantine renaissance. Wisdom of all kinds and the greatest natural philosophers of an age debate within its halls and reverently examine the ancient knowledge taken from Greece before its fall. That this means they are close to hand to advise the state and their discoveries on matters of import are heard first in the city is not coincidental. The cost of being patron to the greatest minds of the age is far from cheap, but that the expense can be afforded and luxuries so freely lavished on the court is itself a potent statement. (+50 Points per Turn)

There isn't actually that much to do this turn, surprisingly enough. I assume next one we'll be able to properly harness our complete control over the Caribbean and start raking in mad fucking dough, but in the meantime my primary focus is to address our endemic weakness - lack of population. Next turn I'll be getting the 4K upgrade on the assumption that significantly increased agricultural production will do all sorts of good things for us, and I'm also finally purchasing the court upgrade because we're going to be earning even more money in the future to justify its absurd price. Fits thematically as well, seeing as we've just won a war with European powers.
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I think that maybe we ought to hold off on investing in the next tier of advisors until we get the 4K and 2.5k upgrades. If we get the next tier this turn we'll be able to afford the latifundia project next turn, but will probably have to wait a turn or two after that for the new shipyards.

On the other hand, if we wait to get the advisors until next turn, we should be able to afford both the 2.5k and 4k building projects.
 
Ptolemy said:
I think that maybe we ought to hold off on investing in the next tier of advisors until we get the 4K and 2.5k upgrades. If we get the next tier this turn we'll be able to afford the latifundia project next turn, but will probably have to wait a turn or two after that for the new shipyards.

On the other hand, if we wait to get the advisors until next turn, we should be able to afford both the 2.5k and 4k building projects.
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On the other hand, that's assuming our income won't increase significantly - which I think it will - and there's also the fact that more points is becoming more important. There's also the narrative effects to consider.
 
I am confused on what happened with the war of Protestant league, Austria seems to have won, but France annexed Territory in both the HRE and Castille? Oh, and Normandy too it seems.
 
I think based on the current emperor's concerns we should focus on the citizenship upgrade in order to reinforce our Elysian cultural identity. Without tangible benefits what's the point of being a citizen?
 
Zrayz10 said:
I think based on the current emperor's concerns we should focus on the citizenship upgrade in order to reinforce our Elysian cultural identity. Without tangible benefits what's the point of being a citizen?
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Definitely. If we have people worrying that the empire is unstable, you give people a reason to want to be a part of the empire, whether through citizenship, culture, religion or what-have-you.
 
@Sayle Can we get some more details on the outcome of the War of the Protestant League? I am very curious. Did the Catholic side actually win and enforce Catholicism or was there a peace of two religions?

It sounds like Castile was on the victorious Catholic side, but the victory was a hollow one. They separate peaced with France, losing territory, and France also ate most of Britanny in a separate peace as well. I guess eventually Austria separate-peaced France, getting them out of the war, allowing them to eke out a bare victory in the main war against the League, and they ate the minors around Augsburg, but otherwise the big players Bohemia and Ottomans were unaffected (actually Bohemia seems to have annexed a prince as well). Overall, it seems to have been on paper loss for Protestant side but a victory in terms of actual territorial and power balance results.

Aragon seems to have conquered a significant part of Tunisia, and Crimea revolted against Theodoro (or got released in war).
 
Eiri Fllyn said:
@Sayle Can we get some more details on the outcome of the War of the Protestant League? I am very curious. Did the Catholic side actually win and enforce Catholicism or was there a peace of two religions?

It sounds like Castile was on the victorious Catholic side, but the victory was a hollow one. They separate peaced with France, losing territory, and France also ate most of Britanny in a separate peace as well. I guess eventually Austria separate-peaced France, getting them out of the war, allowing them to eke out a bare victory in the main war against the League, and they ate the minors around Augsburg, but otherwise the big players Bohemia and Ottomans were unaffected (actually Bohemia seems to have annexed a prince as well). Overall, it seems to have been on paper loss for Protestant side but a victory in terms of actual territorial and power balance results.

Aragon seems to have conquered a significant part of Tunisia, and Crimea revolted against Theodoro (or got released in war).
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I am just Hoping someone will put an end to the Border gore at this point, only the English seems to have some decency.
 
- Kykladia controls the entire Caribbean Sea.
- Cahokia colonizes more land. They now have a border with the Shawnee.
- The Huron expand one more province.
- The Yamasee expand one more province.
- New Castile is no more. Now Castile's only North America colony is in Honduras. Though I remember them have a fairly extensive colony in Argentina and the start of one in South Africa.
- France grows ever stronger. Castile might need a new name considering most of historical Castile is now under French occupation. Also they take half of Brittany.
- Theodoro almost gone.
- Hungry almost gone.
- Sweden going through a revolt.
- Aragon taking chunks of Tunis.
- Ottomans expand eastward.
- The Knights of Rhodes continue being the lovable crazy bastards they are.
 
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LonelyWolf999 said:
Naw, we just got several of them, it's time to take another mil tech.
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If we get the next tier of advisors, we'll be getting 120 mil power per turn. At the moment we have 70 mil power, and the next quality idea costs 60. At the moment, mil tech costs 120, and may go down to 110 next turn. Combined with our income, that means we'll have 130 mil power next turn if we buy the idea this turn, which would definitely be enough to buy the next military tech.

Basically there's nothing at all to be gained by not getting the next step of quality ideas this turn, as it won't have any affect on our ability to afford another military tech next turn.
 
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Now that it's been two hours...

[x] Project: Trade Empire
-[ ] Tech [110 Administrative] We stand on the shoulders of giants... [Unlocks Plantations and a new Idea Group].
-[ ] Idea [60 Diplomatic] Presently the right of citizenship... [Trade Ideas]
-[ ] Idea [60 Military] It is more important than ever to defend the wealth... [Quality Ideas]
-[ ] Building [1300 Hyperpyra] [Nyspios]
-[ ] Special Project [-2250 Expenses] As the splendour of the empire grow...
 
Ptolemy said:
If we get the next tier of advisors, we'll be getting 120 mil power per turn. At the moment we have 70 mil power, and the next quality idea costs 60. At the moment, mil tech costs 120, and may go down to 110 next turn. Combined with our income, that means we'll have 130 mil power next turn if we buy the idea this turn. So basically there's literally nothing to be gained by not getting the next step of quality ideas this turn, as it won't have any affect on our ability to afford another military tech next turn.
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I'm looking at it as an investment beyond what it gets us next turn.
 
[X] Plan Getting Stronk
-[X] [110 Administrative] We stand on the shoulders of giants - Aristotle, Plato, Socrates. Yet their legacy is being built upon every day, and new ways of thinking are beginning to proliferate among natural philosophers. Understanding the world in a systemic way can be applied to more than just knowledge - we must be prepared to adjust our views and experiment to achieve the utmost for the realm. [Unlocks Plantations and a new Idea Group].
-[X] [90 Diplomatic] The navy is at present comprised of similar vessels, differing only in size and armament. But as the applicable uses and range of seapower both increase the differentiation of vessels on a more fundamental level is becoming more common. We should endorse this new practice with some experimental designs, to make sure that our warships and merchantmen can outperform our rivals in times of need.
-[X] [1300 Hyperpyra] [Nyspios] The theme of Nyspios is primarily populated by Elysian settlers, with only the outermost region falling under the control of the Natchez tribe. Despite its coastal location the local industry is more concerned with farming and furs than exploiting the sea, while there seems some potential for cotton cultivation among the marshland of the Natchez territory. Expanding the coastal dock and shipyard system would also provide direly need services to ships that have rounded the point of Anthiros and entered the bay.
-[X] [810 -2250 Expenses] As the splendour of the empire grows and trade links deepen with Europe, the Imperial Court of New Constantinople is becoming the de facto heart of a new and distinctly Byzantine renaissance. Wisdom of all kinds and the greatest natural philosophers of an age debate within its halls and reverently examine the ancient knowledge taken from Greece before its fall. That this means they are close to hand to advise the state and their discoveries on matters of import are heard first in the city is not coincidental. The cost of being patron to the greatest minds of the age is far from cheap, but that the expense can be afforded and luxuries so freely lavished on the court is itself a potent statement. (+50 Points per Turn)
 
Loling at the Imperial heir's stats.
LonelyWolf999 said:
I suspect this may help us spur on population growth as well as start pumping out cash crops, both of the which would more than justify the ridiculous price tag.
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This.
Cheap Food = Population growth.
And you need All The Mans now. Invest in food. The earlier you do so, the sooner you get a population jump which compounds itself

/ relurks.
 
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LonelyWolf999 said:
I'm looking at it as an investment beyond what it gets us next turn.
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But for what, though? Our mil power income will be high enough to get the next mil tech by default, so unless you want to waste it by going really ahead of time there's not much point in saving it. On the other hand, quality ideas are good and very affordable. We can get the next one this turn, and still be able to afford tech next turn.
 
We just won a naval war with the only major naval competitors. We can afford to not get the next ship tech immediately, and get the trade instead to maximize gains from our new Caribbean conquests. And we need more trade ships for that too. This should increase our income without spending much money to offset the massive new expenses from the advisors.

[X] Plan Efficient Development
-[X] [110 Administrative] We stand on the shoulders of giants - Aristotle, Plato, Socrates. Yet their legacy is being built upon every day, and new ways of thinking are beginning to proliferate among natural philosophers. Understanding the world in a systemic way can be applied to more than just knowledge - we must be prepared to adjust our views and experiment to achieve the utmost for the realm. [Unlocks Plantations and a new Idea Group].
-[X] [60 Diplomatic] Presently the right of citizenship is predicated on certain responsibilities that have made it excessively difficult for merchants setting up across the Atlantic to maintain their taxation privileges as citizens. Extending certain exemptions for these men will increase the reach of our trade network. [Trade Ideas]
-[X] [60 Military] It is more important than ever to defend the wealth that allows Elysia to field such a well-trained and well-equipped army. Instituting a rotating patrol system for trade routes will allow our frontline units to gain experience as well as project Elysian power and influence.[Quality Ideas]
-[X] [1300 Hyperpyra] [Nyspios] The theme of Nyspios is primarily populated by Elysian settlers, with only the outermost region falling under the control of the Natchez tribe. Despite its coastal location the local industry is more concerned with farming and furs than exploiting the sea, while there seems some potential for cotton cultivation among the marshland of the Natchez territory. Expanding the coastal dock and shipyard system would also provide direly need services to ships that have rounded the point of Anthiros and entered the bay.
-[X] [810 -2250 Expenses] As the splendour of the empire grows and trade links deepen with Europe, the Imperial Court of New Constantinople is becoming the de facto heart of a new and distinctly Byzantine renaissance. Wisdom of all kinds and the greatest natural philosophers of an age debate within its halls and reverently examine the ancient knowledge taken from Greece before its fall. That this means they are close to hand to advise the state and their discoveries on matters of import are heard first in the city is not coincidental. The cost of being patron to the greatest minds of the age is far from cheap, but that the expense can be afforded and luxuries so freely lavished on the court is itself a potent statement. (+50 Points per Turn)
-[X] [22 Hyperpyra/-4 Expenses] [12 Vessels] Trade made the merchant republics some of the richest in Europe, capable of toppling small nations if it meant more gold flowing into their coffers. Their large navies were in no small part responsible for this dominance, the sheer quantity of trade ships carrying goods giving them the money to finance their dominance of the sea. We would be wise to follow their example.
 
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