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So, my thought process is that Bulma should be the most horrifically over powered Mid-Child style mage in existence. She's a polymath and all around genius at maths. Her family's capsule technology is space/time bending in nature, and she and her father can comprehend tech that is significantly beyond the normal Earth level. Hell, in Trunks' post apocalyptic time she successfully built a freaking TIME MACHINE from nothing!

My understanding is that all the various forms of Nanoha magic are somehow based around maths, and so if Bulma has the tiniest speck of magical potential she should be able to actually be combat relevant if she learns some of that. Since DB humans have Linker cores (as Nanoha is apparently one in the cross) it seems possible!

That may all be wishful thinking I admit, but I would find it hilarious if Bulma mastered the theory of how all that super-science magic works and then took it farther to the point she unraveled Lost Logia. That's just the sorta thing the Briefs family does.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
So, my thought process is that Bulma should be the most horrifically over powered Mid-Child style mage in existence. She's a polymath and all around genius at maths. Her family's capsule technology is space/time bending in nature, and she and her father can comprehend tech that is significantly beyond the normal Earth level. Hell, in Trunks' post apocalyptic time she successfully built a freaking TIME MACHINE from nothing!

My understanding is that all the various forms of Nanoha magic are somehow based around maths, and so if Bulma has the tiniest speck of magical potential she should be able to actually be combat relevant if she learns some of that. Since DB humans have Linker cores (as Nanoha is apparently one in the cross) it seems possible!

That may all be wishful thinking I admit, but I would find it hilarious if Bulma mastered the theory of how all that super-science magic works and then took it farther to the point she unraveled Lost Logia. That's just the sorta thing the Briefs family does.
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Raw power, which depends on your Linker Core, is still really important. All that being a ridiculous math savant does is let you fight unarmed, like Yuuno or (theoretically, I assume) cast a bunch of different spells simultaneously. Remember that the weapons everyone carries around are high tech computers that do most, but not all, of the math for you.
 
justinkal said:
Raw power, which depends on your Linker Core, is still really important. All that being a ridiculous math savant does is let you fight unarmed, like Yuuno or (theoretically, I assume) cast a bunch of different spells simultaneously. Remember that the weapons everyone carries around are high tech computers that do most, but not all, of the math for you.
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Except for Yuuno. Because Yuuno is epic, you know?

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While I agree with your thought processes, Bulma's magical potential is probably really low. Doesn't mean she couldn't hypothetically get contracted by the TSAB for some R&D stuff later down the line, though.
 
EvaUnit01 said:
Except for Yuuno. Because Yuuno is epic, you know?


While I agree with your thought processes, Bulma's magical potential is probably really low. Doesn't mean she couldn't hypothetically get contracted by the TSAB for some R&D stuff later down the line, though.
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Ehh, for all his (comparative) Badass Normal traits, Yuuno still has significantly above average raw power. Most mages don't have enough raw power to pass B rank, regardless of how much they train. Yuuno is A rank. B rank seems to be the typical rank for TSAB's Elite Mooks, the squad leaders of squads of mooks.
 
justinkal said:
Ehh, for all his (comparative) Badass Normal traits, Yuuno still has significantly above average raw power. Most mages don't have enough raw power to pass B rank, regardless of how much they train. Yuuno is A rank. B rank seems to be the typical rank for TSAB's Elite Mooks, the squad leaders of squads of mooks.
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He does, but the fact that he doesn't use any form of Device still counts for a lot in my book (and the books of many other people I've spoken with).
 
EvaUnit01 said:
He does, but the fact that he doesn't use any form of Device still counts for a lot in my book (and the books of many other people I've spoken with).
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Notice that my original post did address that. I mentioned that being an insane math savant makes you able to cast spells unarmed just as easily and quickly as someone of the same raw power does with a Device.

Personal headcanon is that Yuuno is so plain skilled at the math in his areas of specialty that a Device wouldn't actually be able to make things any faster. That would mean that the only reason he even had Raising Heart was to be able to have its AI help out with things like analyzing his surroundings for danger and casting spells that he isn't well practiced at.

Considering that for the same cost/quality, Storage Devices and Armed Devices have quicker casting speeds than Intelligent Devices, really the only practical reason for using an Intelligent Device are its greater ability to deal with completely unexpected situations or if you expect to frequently need to cast spells that you've never even considered trying before.

Although it could also be that he was using an Intelligent Device for the sake of having someone to talk to so that he felt less lonely while doing archeology......... #Forever Alone..............
 
justinkal said:
Although it could also be that he was using an Intelligent Device for the sake of having someone to talk to so that he felt less lonely while doing archeology......... #Forever Alone..............
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For what it's worth, the anime's next-episode-preview at the end of the first episode has a shot of Yuuno being surrounded by other archaeologists (presumably his clansmen) when he apparently unearthed the Jewel Seeds....

....buuuuuuuuut I neglected that detail during a research oversight, so Yuuno having RH around for intelligent conversation might be somewhat possible. Also for the fact that for all his mastery of binds, he doesn't appear to have any sealing magic that he can cast without RH.
 
EvaUnit01 said:
he doesn't appear to have any sealing magic that he can cast without RH.
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That and the completely unpredictable nature of Lost Logia in general is the main reason why I lean towards "its greater ability to deal with completely unexpected situations or if you expect to frequently need to cast spells that you've never even considered trying before" as the reason for Yuuno carrying around Raising Heart.

I assume that he's so freaking good at the math in his areas of focus that even a high end Storage Device (a civilian one at least, so not including things like Durandal or the Tome of the Night Sky) wouldn't be able to offer any improvements, and outside of dealing with rampaging Lost Logia, he doesn't ever need to cast any spells outside his specialty except in low stress situations (when speed doesn't matter).

The one issue with that though is that you would think that sealing magic would be a really important skill for an archeologist............

If he really did go on digs together with other people, maybe someone else was specialized in sealing magic?
 
justinkal said:
If he really did go on digs together with other people, maybe someone else was specialized in sealing magic?
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Seems like a pretty reasonable assumption.

Of course, I've read other various potential justifications for Yuuno having RH in fanfic - there was one where he won it in a contest and was planning on giving it to one of his clansmen as a birthday present, for example. ...y'know, before plot happened.
 
justinkal said:
Ehh, for all his (comparative) Badass Normal traits, Yuuno still has significantly above average raw power. Most mages don't have enough raw power to pass B rank, regardless of how much they train. Yuuno is A rank. B rank seems to be the typical rank for TSAB's Elite Mooks, the squad leaders of squads of mooks.
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Yuuno probably comes from a higher powered deathworld.

He told Nanoha back in Season 1 that "Flight is a basic magic"
Only B rank and up can fly.
 
EvaUnit01 said:
Somebody commented about Hercule, well, I figure he's prolly more-or-less around Goku's age (if only going on the logic that their children Gohan and Videl are roughly the same age). Also figuring that he appears to be a career martial artist (though really more of a professional wrestler in terms of how he presents himself), it makes sense that he'd have to have started competing in the Budokai at some point before he could become champion.

Since I don't recall any real information about when he started competing - just that he was apparently really well-established by the time of the Cell Saga - I decided that it probably didn't matter if I had him as the champion this early in the game, so long as he didn't yet have his massive "strongest man in the world" reputation that he's introduced with.
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Looking up the wiki, Hercule was born in the year 736, the same year as Krillin and a year before Goku.
When Mark was young, he attended a fighting dojo called "Satan Castle". Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called "Mr. Satan" after the name of his dojo. One day when they were on tour, at a bar in South City, Satan and his martial arts master made the mistake of making fun of Mercenary Tao's hairstyle. As a result, Mr. Satan was heavily injured while his master was killed. From then on, Mr. Satan solemnly swore never to fight anyone whose true identity he did not know, or anyone who seemed crazy strong.

His daughter Videl was born in Age 756. Videl's mother left Mr. Satan and their daughter Videl at one point, leaving only the two of them in their family. But they have got loads of servants. Mr. Satan is very protective of his daughter, especially in respect to boys, only allowing her to have a boyfriend if he was stronger than him.
He is also the legitimate winner of the 24th World Martial Arts tournament, mainly because none of the Z-Fighters participated.
 
GhostKing 666 said:
Looking up the wiki, Hercule was born in the year 736, the same year as Krillin and a year before Goku.
When Mark was young, he attended a fighting dojo called "Satan Castle". Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called "Mr. Satan" after the name of his dojo. One day when they were on tour, at a bar in South City, Satan and his martial arts master made the mistake of making fun of Mercenary Tao's hairstyle. As a result, Mr. Satan was heavily injured while his master was killed. From then on, Mr. Satan solemnly swore never to fight anyone whose true identity he did not know, or anyone who seemed crazy strong.

His daughter Videl was born in Age 756. Videl's mother left Mr. Satan and their daughter Videl at one point, leaving only the two of them in their family. But they have got loads of servants. Mr. Satan is very protective of his daughter, especially in respect to boys, only allowing her to have a boyfriend if he was stronger than him.
He is also the legitimate winner of the 24th World Martial Arts tournament, mainly because none of the Z-Fighters participated.
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Yeah, I heard all of that in the recent Death Battle between him and Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter). They also said that there was at least one instance in which he won the tournament completely legit.

The question is though, how long after Goku won the tournament did Hercule become the champion? The number of years between each tournament fluctuated a ton during that time period.
 
justinkal said:
Yeah, I heard all of that in the recent Death Battle between him and Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter). They also said that there was at least one instance in which he won the tournament completely legit.

The question is though, how long after Goku won the tournament did Hercule become the champion? The number of years between each tournament fluctuated a ton during that time period.
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Any time between the 23rd and Cell. There was only one tournament in that time period.
 
veekie said:
"I'm a perfectly ordinary archeologist!"
*While being a 9 year old boy without a device tanking the AAA ranked Wolkenritter SPECIALIZED in shattering barriers with his bare hands*
"I'm not good at fighting!"

It's sounding a bit like Jackie Chan going "Bad day! Bad day!"
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I seem to recall Yuuno's issue being less that he's bad at fighting and more that he's limited in non-lethal techniques. The ability to teleport others without their consent makes him incredibly lethal if he wants to be. Which is useful against monsters he doesn't mind killing, but a problem when facing human opponents and opponents containing lost logia he's trying to seal instead of lose or destroy.
 
Hyp3rB14d3 said:
I seem to recall Yuuno's issue being less that he's bad at fighting and more that he's limited in non-lethal techniques. The ability to teleport others without their consent makes him incredibly lethal if he wants to be. Which is useful against monsters he doesn't mind killing, but a problem when facing human opponents and opponents containing lost logia he's trying to seal instead of lose or destroy.
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He also has chainspam, and can ram into people while cloaked in a barrier.
 
I rather like Aleph and Earthsorpion's explanation. Which is that he has one of those bloodline magics like Caro except specialised for bodyguard work. Ferret form and a powerful shielding affinity allow him to act as a personal shield generator.
 
Another thing. The next chapter, once I finally get around to working on it, is going to start divering a lot more from canon. So, look forward to it.
 
Okay guys, just a heads up:

1) I haven't forgotten about this story.

2) As said before, I've got plans to start moving away from canon starting in the next chapter, so things hopefully are going to start getting a lot more interesting.

3) Right now, at this very moment, Cagalli is crying her heart out! I'm in the process of gathering up some old notes of mine so that I can get started.
 
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