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Disney's Moana, time for fish hooks

Maui is hitting my uncanny Valley in an annoying rather than gross way. The central features are just too close together for how big his face is. I really want to see it but I'm not sure if I will be able to.
 
Oh hey, one thing that bothered me but they fixed-

In one of the trailers, Maui said, "I'm not going on a mission with some... little girl."

Just saw the same bit on TV, "I'm not going on a mission with some... kid."
 
Just saw this film, and I have this to say:

Bra. Fucking. Vo.

This was a fantastic film. It hit all the right beats, the music was great, the humor was top notch. It could have used 30 more minutes, but every good movie could use 30 more minutes.

Maui is now my favorite demi-god. The Rock should have gone into singing, because holy shit, You're Welcome is such a good song.
 
what's Maui like, does he have the trickster aspects from the myths?
 
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I am so happy The Rock is finally in a Disney work where he actually gets to keep his dignity.
 
Namer said:
And I should brush up on the mythology sometime too.
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One of the biggest strengths of the Disney Animated Canon (and the Pixar movies when they sometimes go down this route) is that it's strictly not necessary - they usually do a pretty good job of padding out and filling in the original mythos while giving it a legitimate modern, fresh spin to give reason for moviegoes to want to watch.

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Brave was Pixar for that matter, this is the Zootopia/Big Hero/Frozen crew.
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Yeah, as I just implied immediately above, there are three different sets of canon going on with these Disney animated movies - the Disney Animated Canon (which goes back to the very first movies Walt himself did), the Pixar canon (which includes, well, the Pixar movies obviously) and then you have a sub-canon of the Disney Animated Canon but large and strong enough to be an independent canon in its own right, the Disney Princess Canon which goes all the way back to Snow White and Cinderella and is more or less self-explanatory (although the "Princesses" don't always have to be literal, namely Belle in Beauty and the Beast and Tiana in The Princess and the Frog although they do become literal Princesses in the end at least in some close-enough fashion). And while all Disney Princess Canon movies are part of the larger Disney Animated Canon, not all Disney Animated Canon movies are Disney Princess Canon movies - The Rescuers, Hunchback of Notre Dame and Tarzan are solidly in the Disney Animated Canon but they are in no way considered part of the Princess Canon (Esmeralda would be...problematic to turn into a Princess for a multitude of reasons that can take up an entire thread just as a list, and Jane is seen as too much of a "damsel in distress" to try to promote as a Princess, especially under today's sensibilities where they're trying to reformat and remarket the Princess Canon and its respective princesses as examples of feminism, while Rescuers lack any real "Princess" figure to promote in the first place - not to mention its relatively poor box office performance and being released during what many people consider the nadir era of the Animated Canon). Meanwhile, it might shock a lot of people to learn that Disney does considers Pocahontas to be in the Princess Canon and therefore Pocahontas to be a "Princess" even though her story is based on a very real figure with copious amounts of real documentation as opposed to a fairy tale - and at least at first it was somewhat controversial even among the Native Nations population as being seen as an attempt to "whitewash" their history, even though I feel Disney did so with every intention of it being the opposite. As for the Pixar Canon, it's considered near mutually-exclusive with the Disney Animated and Princess Canons and therefore, for example, Buzz Lightyear and Lightning McQueen are considered to live in wholly different universes than Ariel and Princess Jasmine and it being virtually impossible for those characters to crossover and interact with each other - this is actually one of the reasons why there's still a very clear delineation between Pixar films and Disney CGI films even though many of the people working on either are the exact same (rule of thumb: the Disney teams do the Princess movies - again, even though neither Wreck-It Ralph nor Big Hero Six have any "Princess" figures to speak of and are thus Animated Canon-only). And Merida and Brave is an interesting case that kind of straddles the line - even though Meirda is a Pixar character, because her movie effectively resembles a Disney Princess Canon movie almost exactly and especially since Brave is very much into the same feminist tropes Disney's marketing arm is heavily trying to retroactively rework the rest of the Princess canon into (and indeed, she's a literal, titled Princess), she's been somewhat retroactively adopted as a canon Princess of sorts.

Q99 said:
Just saw the same bit on TV, "I'm not going on a mission with some... kid."
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I feel neutral about it, but I'm a white adult(at least allegedly) male. It does reflect that they're actually thinking about this though, even though they should've put that thought in before the knuckleheads recorded the original line.

...oh, and after all that I forgot the whole thing that drew me into this thread in the first place...

...someone mention Disney and Fish Hooks?

 
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The thing about the Disney Princess Canon, is because it's so retroactively recursive as per whatever the hell Disney feels like doing that moment, is that in regards to any "black sheep" they can immediately and arbitrarily disqualify from inclusion (so no, literal titled princess or not Eilonwy doesn't count). This almost happened to Tiana except reception to The Princess and the Frog didn't turn out to be nearly as cool as they thought - not the practically impossible loftiness they were hoping for but still very good.

But again, it's completely arbitrary. The Disney Animated Canon includes pretty much all of their animated movies explicitly labeled Disney (as opposed to Pixar). The Disney Princess Canon is a very carefully, arbitrarily and artificially created marketing construct that can change entirely on the basis of whatever Disney thinks will get them more money at that moment. It's just stayed pretty consistent because...that's what gets them money for most any given moment.

As for how you can tell what is included in the Disney Princess Canon? Well it turns out they have a website detailing exactly who's included. They've even got Princess Elena of Avalor, who you've probably never heard of because she's more or less specifically created just to be a part of the line and is featured exclusively on a Disney Channel Junior series - which incidentally also serves as a crossover series of sorts for the various designated Disney princesses.

...and now it's just occurring to me that I'm effectively publicly acknowledging that I know way too much about all this....
 
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ussnimitz1968 said:
...I wouldn't mind if you spoil it, with the appropriate spoiler protection for other thread viewers.
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um, Sure

The Crab that scavenged Maui's Fish-Hook that got knocked onto his back is still on his back, and he's bitching about how if he was called Sebastian and had a Jamaican Accent, we'd be helping him.
 
While subbing for a middle school science teacher, the students were assigned to do a six panel comic of an island forming (from an underwater volcano). I added in an extra sheet of my own, a six panel comic of Maui fishing the islands out of the sea. Pity I didn't get to stick around for the teacher's reaction...
 
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Chloe Sullivan said:
While subbing for a middle school science teacher, the students were assigned to do a six panel comic of an island forming from and underwater volcano). I added in an extra sheet of my own, a six panel comic of Maui fishing the islands out of the sea. Pity I didn't get to stick around for the teacher's reaction...
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Was the song "Lava" involved?
 
Saw the movie, very much loved it! Disney Animated continues to hit it out of the park, and the songs especially were fantastic- stronger than Frozen in the musical department. No single one is the 'earworm song,' there was just consistently great music.

It's got a much smaller cast than most, and I'm surprised how well that worked.

I quite liked
how the lava demon was really the earth goddess, and no-one, not Maui or the grandmother's legends, had the slightest inkling

Chloe Sullivan said:
This was last year. Have not seen Moana but am obligated to as a Hawaii resident.
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You may have a wait :)

 
Q99 said:
It's got a much smaller cast than most, and I'm surprised how well that worked.
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Its interesting. Both Pixar and Disney had a noisy urbanized modern movie (Inside Out, Zootopia) followed by a much quieter ancient natural world movie (The Good Dinosaur, Moana). Both of them are also followed by a sequel (Finding Dory, Wreck-It Ralph 2). Overall things like this are important meta design decisions, even if you have good movie ideas, you want to ensure that similar movies don't get slated to be right next to each other.
 
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The release schedule is staggered such that, even if a Disney and Pixar movie released "next" to each other are similar, enough time has passed so they don't necessarily interfere with each other. I think it's something close to a calendar year.
 
Watched it. While not as good as zootopia it is better than frozen and Tangled. Music is decent. And Moana as a MC os great. And the Rock just steals the show.

Also the twist was pretty darn good. I thought the Pygmy pirates were filler though.
 
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