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Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

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Artemis1992 said:
That would be frustrating, if a Psyker who does the regular psykering only as a secondary to his actual task (Astropathy) can so easily invade our mind.

We clearly need more integrety, willpower and related Charms.
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Well I think it's a combination of drugs running through our body,not actively resisting and there are multiply psykers working together.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I thought Astropathy was a different discipline from regular telepathy?
Though I can see the overlap.
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Astropathy is a form of telepathy, though most Astropaths don't have the time or are allowed to get better at conventional telepathy. The Astropaths here are likely some of the strongest telepaths on Sanguis.

Also the way their faces are hidden by their clothing looks like they're Astropaths to me. Since they usually hide their empty eye sockets.
Gamefreak1ed said:
Well I think it's a combination of drugs running through our body,not actively resisting and there are multiply psykers working together.
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That too.
 
[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...

The Pride One is also good too,but I want an Introspection darn it
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.

To be fair.

What the Emperor considers a mistake and a regret isn't necessarily something that is actually rational, because it's constrained by his own biases.

After all, it's entirely possible one of his regrets was not just killing Lorgar the moment that he started preaching his religion, because "The Emperor hates religion and faith" is pretty much one of his biggest, most universal character details. Which makes the irony of he--himself being a focus of faith all the more delicious.

Pride isn't just his own works, it's the works of others that pleased him. It's knowing what is the right path, because for the most part, when the Emperor allowed himself to feel pride--it was very often for a very, very good reason.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
[X] Wrath - You remember the fury of a god and the faces of those who drove him to such extremes. You remember what he did to those who enraged him so, and the scars his fury left on the world.
 
Alectai said:
After all, it's entirely possible one of his regrets was not just killing Lorgar the moment that he started preaching his religion, because "The Emperor hates religion and faith" is pretty much one of his biggest, most universal character details. Which makes the irony of he--himself being a focus of faith all the more delicious.
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Honestly, this seems to me like it falls under "Wrath", rather than "Grief".

"Grief" would probably be more about the Emperor regretting not warning Lorgar, Magnus or Horus about the Great Chaos Reality Tumours, which resulted in them being vulnerable to manipulation and either overly trusting or overly confident in their own cleverness. "Wrath", on the other hand, seems far more like it'd fit "regrets" such as "I wish I had killed that guy when I had the chance, instead of showing leniency". In fact, since it'd be connected to the Emperor's hatred of religion, which is an emotion very closely intertwined with wrath, I'd say it's even more likely to be representative of that feeling, rather than grief.

[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...
 
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[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...

I'll admit I don't know that much about 40k, but I get the feeling Wrath (His Righteous Anger At The Evil Xeno!) and Pride (He Is God!) are often associated with the Emperor anyway. Knowing that the Emperor actually does have failures and sorrows, that he isn't perfect in his own eyes, adds more to an accurate image of his character.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
Well then. A bit over thirteen hours since the update, and we have, uh, 129 votes?

Such a nostalgic feeling.

So then, time for some word of god.

This is, at least in part, a vote on Limit Break. The facets of the Emperor's personality that you inherited cannot override your own, but in times of great stress or hardship they will gain an increasingly strong influence on your character, building on and amplifying the relevant portions of Ignatius' own emotional landscape. Eventually these feelings boil over and you undergo Limit Break.

Under the 3e model that I'm using, there is no one set way in which said break manifests - should Grief win, for example, a Break might cause Ignatius to weep inconsolably for hours, or it might cause him to indulge in fits of self-mortification and penance over his failures or any number of other possible courses of action.

As for the psykers, well, the unfortunate reality of life in the 41st Millennium is that it is almost impossible to keep a determined telepath out of your thoughts entirely. Anti-psyker measures are based on controlling your own thoughts, hiding your true self behind walls of misdirection and dogma, and clinging to core beliefs to prevent yourself from being swayed into another course of action.
 
Frankly inconsolable weeping and self mortification are fairly tame as limit breaks go given that they only affect us and don't do much permanent damage.
 
No7sHere said:
Frankly inconsolable weeping and self mortification are fairly tame as limit breaks go given that they only affect us and don't do much permanent damage.
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I agree. Limit Breaks can be something like, say, going on a murderous rampage and slaughtering everything in your path, enemy or friend. Or suddenly abandoning all of your compassion and restraint to achieve a goal at all costs, even if you spent your entire life avoiding that kind of mindset like the plague. Or falling so hard in love with a random person that you are willing to do nearly anything for them; and by nearly I mean anything short of killing yourself. Or becoming so proud in a single instant that you suddenly order all of your resources to be spent on diamond statues of yourself, even if it meant having your people starve, or ruining your economy.

There's a reason why the Solars were all exterminated by Sidereals and Terrestrials, and it wasn't just the senseless hedonism. It was also the sudden flips in personality that had Creation-wide repercussions and made Sidereals believe that all Solars were batshit crazy and should be kept as far away from power as possible.

In comparison, crying for hours is as close to "minor Limit Break" as it gets.
 
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I want you to consider for a moment exactly what kind of fate you are tempting with phrases like "it's barely a Limit Break at all" and "no permanent damage".

Spoiler: It's me. I am the fate you are tempting.
 
Just as an example, anyone who is a fan of Babylon 5 can tell you how destructive grief can be.

Really, all three are about as destructive. The main benefit I can see to picking Grief is reminding our demigod that even the big man himself made mistakes (largely due to Pride and Wrath, appropriately enough).
 
Maugan Ra said:
I want you to consider for a moment exactly what kind of fate you are tempting with phrases like "it's barely a Limit Break at all" and "no permanent damage".

Spoiler: It's me. I am the fate you are tempting.
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Oh, I know very well that you would not just leave a blatant easy mode option. I fully expect you to find a way to balance this out. After all, someone who is inconsolably weeping can't lead, even as his armies are being slaughtered, or a bunch of Bloodthirsters are trying to kick his house's door in. Someone who "repents" by carving shady sigils and words into his skin can be easily suspected of Chaos corruption, with all that it implies, and we will be closely scrutinised as it is. Someone who spends hours, if not days crying without a break can be seen as weak and ineffective.

From my perspective, however, the repercussions of this Limit Break seem to be primarily centered on us, which certainly fits the choice's theme of self-inflicted punishment, and thus seem less likely to result in us making some very unwise decisions. Mostly because we wouldn't be in the state to make any decisions. That doesn't mean it can't happen, because history has plenty of examples of people doing stupid stuff because they lash out in grief, and the very last thing we want to do is lash out with the power we might soon gain, but it seems less likely than in either of the other cases.
 
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[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...
 
Grief can be as destructive as Wrath and Pride.

Humans lose it if they feel too much of any kind of emotion.

For example, the same part of the brain that lights up when something is unbearably cute is the same one that lights up when you want to crush something to death.
 
I'm not very familiar with Exalted so hearing all this is very worrying (in an entertaining way) but I have to agree that Grief is still the option that appeals to me most in light of this new information. It also appeals to me thematically; 40k characters ruined/powered/defined by these distilled moments of rage or pride aren't new to me. To see a character driven forth by grief for this festering wound of an empire is interesting, and kinda emotionally resonant if you'll let me be so dramatic.
 
Akasha said:
From my perspective, however, the repercussions of this Limit Break seem to be primarily centered on us, which certainly fits the choice's theme of self-inflicted punishment, and thus seem less likely to result in us making some very unwise decisions.
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Remember that Cardinal Ignatius has Charisma has his greatest attribute. His best abilities are Performance and Presence.

The Limit Break will not be quietly crying in his room, because that is not suited to either the Emperor's or Ignatius's personality.
It will be public, it will be grandiose, it will involve others.

Wrath could involve inciting mob violence against whoever triggered the break, and that person's family.
Pride could have the planet grind to a halt, as all abandon their other activities in order to praise him instead.
Grief could have him weep inconsolably for hours in front of the Cathedral doors, accompanied by all watching.

The Limit Break will vary depending on how it is triggered, and will be very Charismatic, dragging others along with him.
 
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[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
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