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So... how many agencies of the alphabet soup would be looking at this board and taking notes?
So... how many agencies of the alphabet soup would be looking at this board and taking notes?
The Chinese privatized nuclear arsenal, as owned by Shanghai McNukes and several other companies, has been deployed against North Korea. The nuclear weapons were formally owned by Busan McNukes, a subsidiary of Shanghai McNukes, as well as Sony in Japan. In addition, the Burmese company Myanmar Star has been created to purchase Shanghai McNukes weapons on the part of the Burmese government. The cities of Pyongyang, Chongjin, Chongju, Haeju, and Kaesong have been targeted by the bombs in civilian planes. The reason for the strike has been stated by Kaz Hirai (the CEO of Sony) as part of the urge to 'liberate North Korea and bring free trade to the Hermit Kingdom'. The North Koreans have announced that they will continue fighting 'until the Democratic Republic of Korea is an ashen wasteland unfit for the capitalist pigs to survive in'.
HundredFlowers said:We need to agitate. We have to kill China. We don't have any options, here. China is a toxin. It's poisoning the entire world.
SocialJusticeMage said:You can't just argue to kill an entire country. What about the Chinese people?
HundredFlowers said:The Chinese people are being oppressed, the only solution is to kill China.
AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:You know, other countries do bad shit too, based on, like, their very nature. Maybe we need to abolish the state, @HundredFlowers.
HundredFlowers said:Miss me with that white anarchist drivel. You'd abolish the nations of people of color too, wouldn't you? You know that's imperialist, right?
AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:I also want to abolish 'white' nations. You know, since whiteness is a construct and nations are a form of hierarchy ultimately intertwined with capitalism.
HundredFlowers said:Your approach to socialism is fundamentally imperialist. You know that third-world and oppressed peoples need to have nations to fight against imperialism and create socialism within, right?
AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:Uh, no, I don't know that. We haven't agreed on that. Can we agree that China and North Korea are shit?
HundredFlowers said:There you go, equating a nation that's a victim of imperialism with a nation that's perpetuating some of the worst imperialist crimes in world history.
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:...Jesus. Your Maoist nationalism is distasteful in this group. As for you, @TranshumAnarchy, your ideology is capitalist and disconnected from reality.
HamsickForever said:
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StalinLad said:So, uh, ZodiacThriller, what's your take on the China-DPRK conflict?
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:Look, I'm an Italian-school left communist, I don't really care about a totalitarian state and a bunch of ancaps getting into a war. Obviously, it's horrible that people are dying in the war and getting nuked in the cities, but hey, that's capitalism.
SocialJusticeMage said:
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:Capitalism - and yes, that also applies to so-called 'actually existing socialism' - is callous. It's part of the job description.
StalinLad said:Wait, so if you're an ultraleft infantile revisionist, why are you the main mod of TankNet?
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:I was a tankie for most of my adult life, but eventually I calmed down, read some actual Marx, and found that I had this annoyingly popular site full of fifteen year old edgelords. I've been taking more and more breaks running it, until eventually I was just paying to keep something I felt less and less comfortable with online. I've wanted to sell it to SurfingUSSR or OrderofLenin, but SurfingUSSR prefers to follow a hierarchical structure and OrderofLenin doesn't feel comfortable running the entire site. I don't trust the other admins enough to run it. If I could sell this site, I would, and if you guys know of anyone...
HundredFlowers said:...Wait, so you've grown out of this site? Would you sell it to me?
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:
HundredFlowers said:I'm a young person with intense militant experience at protests and riots, I've fought and bled for communism, I'm conversant with Marx and the thinkers of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, and I'm much less crazy than some of the wannabe tankies on this site.
[MOD]ZodiacThriller said:I'm...not entirely convinced, but I'll think on it. This is the first time I've posted on this site in three months.
HamsickForever said:
SocialJusticeMage said:I mean, the article says they were just plutonium bombs, and there was a relative few of them, but more uses like this and we might hit another Little Ice Age.
[MOD]OrderofLenin said:Yeah, but that's a necessary price to defend Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.
Imma be real with you? I'm starting to like the articles better than the message board posts.
AH.com actually had the opposite reaction, weirdly enough. I figure that the articles set up things and the message board posts riff off of them.
StalinLad said:Oh my god, I hate Donald Trump. He was annoying when he was campaigning, but now he's just insufferable.
InsufferableDouche said:Yeah. It's bad enough that he has to be a liberal, but now he's making dumb liberals think that socialism is when you have unions or whatever.
SweetAndSaltyHalite said:
InsufferableDouche said:You believe Atlantis exists on the moon and that's why they faked the moon landing. Your opinions are pretty invalid.
SweetAndSaltyHalite said:
InsufferableDouche said:
SweetAndSaltyHalite said:Yeah, but they never went to all of the moon. Read a book. Where else would Atlantis have gone?
HundredFlowers said:Anyway, I dislike how Trump's antics make communism seem like a joke. On top of that, his views on communism seem to basically be a mix of the New Deal and anarcho-syndicalism. Also, it's bourgeois as hell, with his politics just being exaggerated liberal positions with a veneer of communism.
[MOD]OrderofLenin said:Actually, I think he knows what he's doing. This is your typical Maoist revisionism at work. Trump may not be following the typical model of a vanguard party, but he's mobilizing the working class into what he calls 'unions'. Lenin would call them Soviets. I'm cautiously optimistic to see where Trump goes with this.
StalinLad said:I guess, but like, he's also making video game companies, and writing filmed Supergirl fanfiction.
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InsufferableDouche said:Ah, yes, my favorite socialist activity. Creating socialist commodities to sell on the socialist market for socialist profits extracted from socialist surplus value. How socialist.
StalinLad said:Get your ultraleft deviationism out of here, @InsufferableDouche. I hope you get banned.
GuillotineDemocrats said:You're lucky you don't talk much, or I'd've already bothered to hack your IP and track you down. Then I'd kill you.
InsufferableDouche said:
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InsufferableDouche said:Nobody fourteen or above would admit to being fourteen online. So you'd need to show that you think that being fourteen makes you old.
GuillotineDemocrats said:I'll set your house on fire and kill your family. I'm an Army veteran, you know?
HundredFlowers said:Look, I just think that Trump's new politics need a lot of work, and frankly, he's a loose cannon. He might be considered progressive, but he's a long way from becoming a communist. Also, his stance on Israel is too pro-Israel.
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SocialJusticeMage said:...But he threatened to nuke Israel and Palestine if they didn't get their shit together.
HundredFlowers said:Yeah, and that's supporting Israeli colonialism by letting Israel persist.
Busch Gardens Portland has had assistance from the Russian Federation in developing its own military. The micronation already had Russian nuclear missiles stockpiled in the area. However, Busch Gardens Portland has been training its own army. In addition, the country has purchased a small selection of naval transport vessels for unknown ends. The People's Republic of China has condemned the military pretensions of Busch Gardens Portland. In response, Emperor Deng Zhifang stated "I would not expect the so-called Chinese to understand the necessity of us developing our own defensive forces."
Ever since Xi Jinping experienced his bump on the head descending from an airplane, the People's Republic of China has denounced communism and embraced 'anarcho-capitalism'. Busch Gardens Portland, a theme park and reconstructionist Ming empire-in-exile, may be considered a sort of counter to this. Taiwan, also known as the Republic of China, has expressed confusion at the rapid changes in China. In addition, the government of the Republic of China has failed to take Busch Gardens Portland seriously on the world stage. This may be due to the fact that Busch Gardens Portland does not yet have membership in the UN.
Alice Li said:Hey, everyone. My name is Alice Li, I'm a Maoist intellectual and Marxist public thinker. You can find me on my website, aliceli.com/askprofessorli.
HundredFlowers said:How come you went from being a serious communist in the New Left to having sold out most of your beliefs in the name of academic acceptance?
Alice Li said:At @HundredFlowers, it's less that I 'sold out', so much as I grew up. I attended protests, I was arrested by the pigs, and so on. Eventually, though, I felt that I could do better work trying to support the next generation of activists.
[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Alice Li said:Honestly, I wasn't really sure I was cut out for anything else.
RothbardsDiscipleMT said:
Alice Li said:I honestly don't think I'd say so. You can't really disprove an economic theory - it's just a different way of looking at data and systems. The idea that an economic theory has been 'disproved' is just a way to avoid engaging with it.
RothbardsDiscipleMT said:Well, isn't that something. Who would have thought someone who would defend the crimes of Mao would defend Marxism with this postmodern shit.
[MOD]OrderofLenin said:Sockpuppet banned. RothbardsDiscipleMT was a troll using a throwaway account. We banned his previous accounts. @Alice Li, what's your take on the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?
Alice Li said:The latter was tragic but probably necessary for China's socialist development, and the former wasn't great.
SocialJusticeMage said:
Alice Li said:That's a good question. Marxism is incredibly relevant to the modern day. Marx fundamentally talked about a society where increasing amounts of wealth were concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. He talked about the ways that the family and society as a whole were co-opted for the needs of a new, powerful class. He talked about how people live as wage-slaves. All of those problems are just as bad now, if not worse.
HamsickForever said:What would you say about people who might be questioning their faith in Marxism? @Alice Li
Alice Li said:Well, I think that Marxism shouldn't be a religion. It should be a philosophy, a way of viewing the world in concrete and real terms. If you're losing faith, then your understanding of Marxism is probably based on belief and not on understanding Marx's arguments. I'd suggest that you should read some more of Marx, Lenin, and Mao's writings. Mao is a good place to start, and his philosophy is easily applicable to modern class struggle.
HamsickForever said:Yeah, it's just that I'm getting uncomfortable with the stuff some of the people say around here.
Alice Li said:I don't know if that's something I can help you with, @HamsickForever. I'm sorry.
InsufferableDouche said:How come most public "Marxist" intellectuals tend to avoid association with Lenin and Mao, while you still seem to buy into that nonsense?
Alice Li said:I'd like to think that I haven't lost my revolutionary spirit.
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Alice Li said:I think that he's a very good self-promoter and not much else.
InsufferableDouche said:@Alice Li. When you say that all economic theories are just different ways of looking at the same data, are you saying that economics isn't scientific? Surely, you can't just make up anything you want and call it economics?
Alice Li said:I'd rather not deal with entry-level questions like that. @InsufferableDouche
SweetAndSaltyHalite said:
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SweetAndSaltyHalite said:I do political rants and game reviews on a blog. Also, I've explained the truth about the Atlantis moon colonies and how the Mexican-American War was faked.
Alice Li said:
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ZodiacThriller said:So, uh, I heard that you were interested in purchasing TankNet. The thing is that from what your girlfriend told me, you're a college kid.
HundredFlowers said:She's my roommate, not my girlfriend. I'm not into anyone. I have zero sex drive.
ZodiacThriller said:
HundredFlowers said:
ZodiacThriller said:They've talked about it in the TankNet LGBT Social Thread. Anyway, how are you going to pay for the site?
HundredFlowers said:My dad's an executive in Nile, you know, the shipping company. I've been saving up the checks he sends me as condescending birthday gifts.
ZodiacThriller said:
HundredFlowers said:Maybe, but I don't see the issue if I've been 'rebelling' for years and I'm getting into actual fights to help people. Can I buy the site?
ZodiacThriller said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:Listen up, everyone. New sheriff's come to town. Over the last week I've finalized my purchase of this site. For the record, there's going to be some new changes and new rules. Here they are, in an easy to access masterpost.
Rules:
I would like to have added rules about no revisionists, but I and the new mod team talked it over and we would like to keep the Left Unity policy active, with the 'no liberals' modification. Revisionists are on thin ice. By "revisionists", we mean revisionist Marxist-Leninists. They populated a lot of this site. That means the orthodoxy of the site is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. Other tendencies are allowed. Anarchists are as well, so long as they're reasonably militant. I don't love the idea of keeping anarchists, but they're better socialists than a lot of revisionist Marxist-Leninists. That's not praising anarchists, so much as it's showing the bourgeois nature of so-called "Marxist-Leninists".
- No racism.
- No sexism.
- No cis-hetero-sexism.
- No ableism.
- No body shaming.
- No fascists.
- No sectarians.
- No neo-reactionaries.
- No religious zealots.
- No right-wing nationalists or anti-communists.
- No imperialism apologists. This site had too many of them.
- No liberals - that also includes social democrats, or democratic socialists. They're toxic and not left-wing.
If you don't like it, this is your cue to leave. After tomorrow, we will start enforcing these rules and banning everyone who has broken these rules in the past. The current mods of TankNet are @HundredFlowers, @SurfingUSSR, and @ChampagnePearl. @ZodiacThriller voluntarily left the site, and @OrderofLenin's obvious support of Xi Jinping's anarcho-capitalism meant that he was an obvious ban.
StalinLad said:Shit, I guess we have to move to Reddit, now. Well, fuck you all. Peace.
GuillotineDemocrats said:I'll track you down, @HundredFlowers! I'll burn your house down! I'll plant C4 in your bed! I'll murder you! I'll murder everyone you love! How DARE you take this site away from me?
StalinLad said:
SocialJusticeMage said:Huh, I guess this is my cue to leave. I mean, I expected to be banned by now, but yeah. No liberals. Well, I would say it was nice while it lasted, but it really wasn't.
RedLegacy14 said:Eh, to be honest I found this site called BronzeNet that's kind of suited my interests better these days. It's all about racial hierarchy and Mosleyite fascism. I'm pretty into it, weirdly enough. So, yeah, you can ban me under the democratic socialist rule. You guys were always morons, anyway.
TranshumAnarchy said:...I mean, I kind of expected this, since I heard @HundredFlowers talking about it in person. Still, though...@HundredFlowers, am I banned?
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:No, but your mutualism and agorism stuff puts you on thin ice. Also, to be honest, I'm not in the mood for roommate drama on top of the site changeover.
TranshumAnarchy said:
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IcedRed said:Okay, this place went full 'woke'. I'm leaving. I don't need 'fat-shaming' to be put on the same level as racism. Also, it's pretty clear that you aren't going to mod any better than the last group of jokers. Bye.
HamsickForever said:
OrderofLenin said:Okay, I'm feeling kind of called out here? I've literally done nothing but oppose American imperialism, and also, @SurfingUSSR is kind of an ass.
[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
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BigSister<1984> said:
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[MOD]HundredFlowers said:We can stay in contact externally if you want, on that fanfic site or whatever. It's just that Trotskyists are absolutely toxic and I'll take any excuse to get rid of them on my site.
SocialJusticeMage said:Wait, isn't @ChampagnePearl a democratic socialist? I thought you said those were banned.
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:She's very good at organizational work and she works cheaply and is quiet. I figure her toxic democratic socialist and liberal outlook won't touch this site too much.
SocialJusticeMage said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:You're lucky you're leaving this site or I would have to ban you. The mods know what we're doing.
SocialJusticeMage said:
HamsickForever said:Honestly, I'm not even sure where my politics are, anymore. I was really into communism for a while, but you guys kind of messed it up. I'm into communism, but communists are just...I dunno, man.
[MOD]ChampagnePearl said:Well, wherever you do go, I hope you find a place. @HamsickForever.
As China continues to wage war against the irradiated state known as North Korea, a surprise upset in world geopolitics has occurred. A new world power, one that started from nothing and was for almost all of its existence considered meaningless, has invaded China. The People's Republic of China is under the occupation of Busch Gardens Portland, who used Russian soldiers and technology, Shanghai McNukes-purchased nuclear weapons, and a devastating blitzkrieg tactic to conquer the majority of the Chinese heartland.
After the sustained attack on the weakened and distracted People's Republic, as well as the atomic bombings of Beijing, Nanjing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen, Busch Gardens Portland has taken its place on the throne. The Great Ming Empire has declared its rule over the country, with the Busch Gardens territories in the United States made colonies of the new throne in Xi'an. While the original Ming ruled from Nanjing, the city is in no state to host the new emperor. Known previously as Deng Zhifang, he has pledged to safeguard his father's dream of restoring the Chinese dynastic system in its purest form. The Great Ming Empire is not actually recognized as a state at the moment, but experts believe it will be given the former People's Republic's United Nations seat. After all, only Manchuria stands as the remnant of the formerly massive communist country, and the emperor's army has made it clear that that situation will not last.
Well, here we are. The last post. I figured that I'd done everything I wanted to do with the timeline, I guess.
Thanks! Do you mind if I ask what makes you say that or whatever?
It's the mix of completely insane geopolitics and the too familiar if different group of people reacting to it. The lunatics kept the insanity grounded essentially.
OrderofLenin said:...Hey, guys. So, yeah. TankNet's gone to shit. It's been taken over by revisionists.
GuillotineDemocrats said:
OrderofLenin said:...I mean, we could, yeah, but it probably would just make her a martyr to their Maoist deviationism.
IcedRed said:
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HamsickForever said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:It has come to the attention of the TankNet People's Chekists that there has been some rightist deviationism in the ranks of our proletarian cadre cell. The recent wave of mass bans is exclusively part of our program to weed out reactionaries masquerading as socialists.
TranshumAnarchy said:
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StalinLad said:
HundredFlowers said:Do you want to get a bullet from the Chekists' Tokarev, comrade?
StalinLad said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:Good. I understand that the changeover from ZodiacThriller's reign to mine has been a transition for everyone, but I promise that I will create an open forum for socialist discussion and fraternity. Let a hundred flowers bloom over TankNet!
SocialJusticeMage said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:Don't you have liberal billionaire boots to lick? Comrade ChampagnePearl of the TankNet People's Chekists is always ready to purge.
[MOD]ChampagnePearl said:I'm quite sorry, I'm at work right now, so I can't really do anything. What a shame. I'd just love to bring revolutionary justice to @SocialJusticeMage, but I simply am not able to do sol.
HundredFlowers said:...I don't entirely buy that, but we'll have to talk it over later.
OrderofLenin said:Attention, assholes. I've just come back to bring discourse to TankNet in the name of Left Unity, and to combat the revisionist left communist rule over this once great website.
SurfingUSSR said:Oh, god dammit, can't you go jerk off to people's cheap AR-15s on /leftwingpol/?
HamsickForever said:
HundredFlowers said:
SurfingUSSR said:
HundredFlowers said:Okay, fine, we can keep them around as long as they don't start influencing site politics.
SurfingUSSR said:
[MOD]HundredFlowers said:I know. 'Revolution is not a debate' and all. Still this aging website from the mid-2000s follows democratic centralism, so if it's good enough for Lenin, it's good enough for you.
glad to see you"Author's" Note: Yeah, this TL is over as far as I know, and I've covered as much as the story needs to. I've always valued a shorter but cleaner story over a messier and dragged out one. However, I felt like writing a bit in this setting. Here's my attempt at writing something in this setting and style a bit after the ending proper. Think of this as an extra.
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