Brellin said:
I seem to recall Winter being able to summon out 3 giant red dragons, and potentially Fell Reavers (which, iirc, are magic resistant normally) so how exactly does that not equate to him being powerful? Being an evoker with big-boom spells is for losers that aren't thinking very hard. The real power for wizards, planeswalkers in particular, is their ability to conjure shit up and go kill stuff for them.
Hoh ... he had those kinds of creatures stored? My mistake.

That said, it still doesn't help if he's caught unawares, or if he gets into a pitched fight. He still doesn't have a lot of hiding spells, or spells tailored to protect him from incoming spells. Did he ever perfect that dispel spell, that makes spells arc into his hand where they are dispelled?
 
Darkness is really useful and it seems very simple, its just making the area your in dark and it only costs 1 Black Mana (Assuming said Darkness covers an entire Battlefield, I would think that it works kind of like Grue's Darkness from Worm).
 
shiv katall said:
This might fit in better in a HP thread, but...

What would happen to Voldemort with his Horcruxes, if Winter could hit him with one of those "discard from hand" spells? You know, the ones with fluff essentially erasing the mind of an enemy, turning him into vegetable? Like an Obliviate spell on steroids?

If having Horcruxes provides no protection from that, it might be a great way to deal with Voldie. Enjoy the rest of your immortal life, as a drooling idiot!

Also, I understand that it's hard to Walk out of a dimension, but as a desperation attack of some sort when dealing with something hard to kill, how about carrying someone with you when you walk out, and letting the Blind Eternities rip the bad guy apart?

I wouldn't try it on something that has shown to be able to travel to other dimensions, or has canonically shown to tough enough to survive something like that, but it might still be an option to look into.
From what I gather, one of two things would happen - either the spell affects the brain, and Voldy would be reduced to a drooling idiot until he dies, after which he becomes fine and able to redo what he did to get back to life, or the spell affects the soul, and this particular soul fragment of Voldy ceases to be a threat.

Not like it matters - Winter sucks at mind magics, and he certainly can't perform a spell like that. Yet.
 
I think the way to deal with Horcruxes when you have access to different dimensions is to sell them to some enterprising demon from one of the more interesting hell dimensions. Haggle a bit about how much you get for one sixth of a truly evil soul and all that. It sounds like an interesting experiment at least and this type of SCIENCE! couldn't happen to a better target.
 
Late reply, but to those saying that Winter should be stronger:

The same was said last thread. And then the demon 'killed' Dawn. And then an army arrived, with a Fell Reaver. We all know what happened next.

Have a little faith in the guy.
 
One explanation:

The HP-verse Winter is currently in, is one of those fanon ones where magic cores are a thing.

Meaning, HP magic is a very distinct and highly specific subset of 'general' category magic related only in the sense that land-magic and HP-magic can both be called magic due to the effect they have on the surrounding reality. One that you can partake in if and only if you are born with the requisite genetics and accident of birth to contain a 'HP-magic core'.

Which one can naturally have only if one is born in HP verse in the first place, and even then one has to be magical rather than a muggle.

Further, all HP spells are specifically spells. Structures and measured uses of associated energy from a highly specific internal magic core, designed specifically and only to take advantage of such a core. Meaning, only way to cast HP-magic spells is to have an HP-magic core - no Use Magic Device check for you! One could craft similar spells in other magic systems, but they wouldn't be HP magic spells in terms of mechanics or use of power-source. Likewise, one could open up the mechanics of HP-magic spells with sufficient research and know-how but lacking an HP-magic core, that knowledge might prove at worst useless, at best a general guideline to crafting a similar spell in a different system.

Beginner level potion making could be useful even to a muggle under such a system (what Ollivander said), presuming that the end result potion receives all its magic from the magical ingredients. Presumably, higher level potions like Liquid Luck require so complex phases to complete, because part of the potion's magic comes from the wizard/witch during the brewing process. Such a potion would therefore be impossible to brew for a non-HP-magic user, no matter their skill or the quality of ingredients.
 
ryuan said:
He is weak considering he spent already years and doesn't have dozens upon dozens of each land already. Unless claiming a single land takes fucking forever he should be literally crapping excess power right now, and with that much excess power he could have simply grabbed a box of Magic The Gathering card sets and try to replicate the effects of certain iconic spells more easily instead of flaying around his arms uselessly.
IIRC Hiver hasn't said anything about how powerful Winter is or how many lands he has. The only magic he's done since the time skip is a minor restraint spell and something to keep himself dry. He might well have dozens of lands. It's never been stated.

But having enough land and power is not his problem. Its a matter of putting that power to use. He's not in HP verse to learn heavy hitting spells. He could already do that easily before the time skip. There are certain subset of spell that are hideously inefficient with his current knowledge base. That's what he's hear to learn. Sometimes its better to pick a lock than to summon a dragon to break the door.
 
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I ate a small spoon of ice cream as I looked at the wizards and witches moving around.

So far, it had appeared like I was unable to use their style of magic. Up until now, I would have thought that was impossible. So far...any type of magic I have seen, I would in theory be able to use.

My internal reserves which Azerothian magic used was to small to be really useful which is why I had to keep translating it.

I had assumed that mana was the base of all kinds of magic in some form or another. The 'quantum structure' of magic if you will. But apparently I was wrong, even if it seemed to match up with my experience with Azerothian magic.

Poking my chocolate ice cream I took another spoonful. Florean Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlour was actually great, certainly up to the level of Ben and Jerry's. I did made sure to stay away from the stranger tastes though.

The question now...is how exactly do I move forward? Yes, the bookstore had more 'in depth' books, but I only flipped through them.

They contained equations though so that was somewhere to start. But just buying books at random was not the brightest idea. They were expensive...Yes, I could afford it, but I could not just keep throwing jewelry at the goblins.

Sooner or later, somebody would be bound to notice, immoral goblins or not. After all, there are such a thing as poor wizards. There had to be something that kept them from robbing muggles and selling the stuff to the goblins.

I could simply Walk away...but I quite frankly did not want to. I am severely lacking in actual magical education. Everything I have learned I have learned on my own with only minor hints....and mostly in the field between other things happening.

Actually getting some proper study time would likely do my magical skills a world of good, not to mention...this was a entirely new branch of magic.

Even if I was unable to find a way to actually do it myself, mana would in theory be able to copy any and all effects if I was just able to figure out how and why it worked.


But for that I needed knowledge. Access to information. Experimentation. Observation. Basically I needed to science the fuck out of this.

I took another spoonful of my slowly melting ice cream as I saw a man in a dark cloak walk down the road, his wand in hand as he hovered a crate in front of him.

Hypothesis one. Mana magic and wand magic are from completely different spectrum or families of magic and can not affect each other.

I activated my magical vision while I channeled a bit of blue mana into my right hand. The tip of the wand was glowing and so was the box but the user looked like any other human.

Quickly clenching my hand beneath the table I used a counter spell on the box. There was a small flash of light in the palm of my hand, a mirroring flash of light happened around the box, causing it to not only grow to five times it's previous size, but to drop to the ground in a crash.

Counterspell was usually too involved to use in the middle of battle, taking a couple of seconds to cast the way I did it. It was easier to use the point counter or a shield. But this invalidated my hypothesis.

The two kinds of magic would interact.

I suspected that considering I could see it, but I needed to confirm it. So why exactly was not the wall to the alley reacting to my magic?

Slowly sighing I finished up my ice cream as the man re-shrunk his box with a confused look on his face before continuing on his way.

I asked at the bookstore. These people do not have a public library... so either I need to purchase all the literature I need... steal it, which is a plain bad idea considering the possibilities of anti-theft charms.... or...


Frowning slightly I tapped my index finger on the table in thought. Hogwarts.


Hogwarts had the books I would need. The knowledge I wanted to have. The question was how exactly I would get access to that.

If it was canon Dumbledore, I could likely just walk up and tell him the truth. If it was fanon megalomaniac mindrape happy Crazydore... yeah, that would be a bad idea.

While these people generally suck at combat magic, it dont mean they are harmless. Especially when I don't know if my shields will work against them.

Their kind of magic was too versatile to be underestimated...for one thing, it did tend to be faster than what I did. It was so...easy to become complacent when you know you overpower everyone around you by a factor of at least ten.

But that don't mean somebody cant get you with a knife in the back. The demon that killed Dawn taught me that lesson.


On the other hand, I needed access to that library if I was to figure this kind of magic out, find out what made it tick. I might not be able to use it directly...but I should still be able to reverse engineer it.

In theory. At least the useful spells.

Sighing I stood up and started to make my way back towards the hotel. I was almost by the brick wall when something hit me that I really should have thought of earlier.

Hogwarts was about to need a new Defense against the Dark Arts teacher. Again.

I frowned as I stopped walking, frowning in thought. Could I actually pull that off? Fake it well enough to pretend to be a wizard for a entire year?

Maybe. With practice. I am not completely horrible at acting.

Slowly nodding I pulled the hood of my cloak up as I walked out of the alley, the brick wall folding up in front of me. I had half the summer to try to figure out how.


XXXXXXXXXXXX


I flicked my wand as I used telekinesis to lift the pillow of the bed with a small application of blue mana.

Floating it around a bit, I followed it with the wand before lifting the wand as I let the pillow drop on the floor.

To me it looked convincing enough...but the question was if a actual wizard would fall for it.

I spun my wand in my hand, channeling a mix of blue and white mana through it to the tip where I let it glow brightly in a white light "Lumos." I said calmly before flicking it like the book described "Nox." I continued, stopping the mana and canceling the light.

The largest part of this would be their own preconceptions. If somebody used a wand and did magic, they were a wizard.

That there could be anyone able to fake it, would likely never occur to them. A bit of acting and things might work out.

Snorting I shook my head before I put the wand into my backpack with the rest of my things.

As long as I managed to avoid being put on the spot to do any transfiguring that is. Then I would be boned.

I shrugged the backpack on and took a last look around the small hotel room for any forgotten items. When I didn't find any I walked out and closed the door behind me.


Time to return to Sunnydale and tell the gang that I might need to extend my time away from dusting vampires a tad longer.




AN// All the thanks to Rufus Shinra for betaing this section.
 
I stand by my previous assertion that Olivander just gave up before finding the right wand for him. :D

Also I hope he remembers to protect himself against the Curse if he takes that Job.
 
This is going to end so badly.

I can't wait.:D

Vaermina raises a good point, though - what's he going to do against the Curse? Fate magic is something he has no defense against.
 
Astramancer said:
Things to avoid while teaching Defense

1) Do not attempt to kill Harry Potter.
2) Seriously, don't do it, it's not cool.
3) Crap, you're gonna do it, even if by accident, aren't you?
Well it is tradition after all, can't go against that if he wants to call himself a Wizard. :D
 
Voldemort played Curse!
Winter played Counterspell! It's super effective!

"Hello, I am Professor Winter and I'm really good at wandless magic, which is totally the reason you'll never see me use a wand. I won't teach you any spells and have you read boring theory books all the time, but hey, it's still better then the alternative (Umbridge)."
 
NRFTW said:
Voldemort played Curse!
Winter played Counterspell! It's super effective!
As far as I'm aware, you actually have to target a spell for Counterspell to work. Nothing to target with Fate magic, really.
 
You asked for this said:
Good thing I have defense against "pulled this term from my ass"-magic. Universe hopping Swedish hobo doesn't have to do anything against a curse that may or may not exist, as long as he doesn't hang around too long as the DADA teacher.
That's the whole point of the curse actually, preventing him from staying in office for two concecutive years.
 
You asked for this said:
Good thing I have defense against "pulled this term from my ass"-magic.
The DADA Curse is canon - which you'd know if you'd read the books. Deal with it.

Also, Fate magic is hardly a new term - it's been used lots of times before.
Universe hopping Swedish hobo doesn't have to do anything against a curse that may or may not exist, as long as he doesn't hang around too long as the DADA teacher.
The curse exists. We know that much. Luckily, as long as he plans to only stay for a year or less, he might escape it.

Might, because 'Moody'/Barty Crouch Jr. didn't escape it, even though he planned to stay for only one year.
 
Maybe the DADA curse is a bit more sinister than people believe. As in, the actual curse is "select people that fit criteria x, then manipulate fate so they become DADA teachers and then fail in some way after a year". And Hiver fits the criteria for some arcane reason.
 
I suspect that there could be a two-pronged effect on the curse: to prevent anyone from going for longer than a year, and to screw over anyone who tries to game the curse. Alternatively, the limits of the curse are 'less than a year'.

Also, I wonder how much mana it would take to duplicate Hogwarts? Because the ability to make a permanent Hogwarts anywhere seems kinda cool. I'm just imagining all these magic castles strung throughout the multi-verse.
 
Astramancer said:
Is this a new policy? Because Dumbledore's had both Voldemort and DE in disguise in that position.
To be fair, he didn't know that. And really, he's not omniscient - those two were pretty damn good at hiding themselves - in Quirrel's case, he had a valid excuse and they had no reason to expect foul play. With Moody, Dumbledore admits that BC Jr. was very good at acting - enough that he was completely fooled.

/ruiningthejoke:p
 
Can someone tell me when Winter fought the Lich King? I seem to be blind and can't find where this happened.
 
Image said:
Can someone tell me when Winter fought the Lich King? I seem to be blind and can't find where this happened.
AFAIK, he didn't. Not directly, anyway. Dawn wanted them to do so, but Winter refused, which was what led to their fight.
 
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