I sort of expected Taylor to witch out eventually, but I didn't expect it to happen as part of their meeting. And QA treating that moment as a trigger event? Good lord what a mess. The mixed Scion/Danny & Eden/Annette imagery implies that there's a good bit of her imbedded in Rose. And I suspect the reason the Taylor shadow is so prominent is because QA took a scan of Taylor's brain in that moment, and that emulation makes up part of them. Bring a scan of her at the bottom of a depressive spiral, of course it's going to be nothing but pessimistic.
 
Huh, that was sure unexpected. Seems like QA made a backup mind copy of Taylor too, going by 'shadow taylor', which shall likely help Libra and Rose be less monstrous in general.
 
But you're not fighting right now. There's nothing for you to be distracted from,♪ she says, sounding intensely amused.
I appreciate this. If I had this opportunity to "playfully" mislead people, I probably would... and would probably also come to regret it like Liba has, since it's not nice and can lead to unfortunate consequences.
 
Oh hey, we're back! Here's hoping things are more settled for you now.

Well RIP Taylor, and welcome to the stage, Rose! I think it would be pretty funny if, like Taylor, she takes absolutely forever to come up with a name and eventually is given one by someone else. Poor Danny, this is definitely not going to be good for his mental health. Thank you Liba for giving a hand to prevent her killing anyone!
 
Poor Danny, this is definitely not going to be good for his mental health. Thank you Liba for giving a hand to prevent her killing anyone!

At least there are a couple days before it's likely to be noticed, assuming he thinks Taylor just left early.

a sense Rose has no name for telling her she could whisper commands to these things with more reality to them and they would obey

So... I'm assuming with this line that we essentially have full on Khepri Witch here, or pretty close anyway. Where she can more or less control anyone she comes across. If Magical Girls ever hunt her they are going to be in for a very rude surprise.

I'm not sure from the trigger whether QA was actually partially integrated into the Witch or not. At a minimum it sounded like her emotion emulation got flicked on. Or on rereading it, maybe it's actually a bud from QA rather than QA itself-- possibly a deliberate experiment from the Shards to see what is going on with the magical girls and witches?
 
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I can hardly believe that you've done this. This has to be one of the most unique takes I've ever seen on a PMMM/Worm crossover, which admittedly isn't that out there given that it's a rather niche category of fanfiction.

I'm curious what you mean by this, as that's pretty vague.

I sort of expected Taylor to witch out eventually, but I didn't expect it to happen as part of their meeting. And QA treating that moment as a trigger event? Good lord what a mess. The mixed Scion/Danny & Eden/Annette imagery implies that there's a good bit of her imbedded in Rose. And I suspect the reason the Taylor shadow is so prominent is because QA took a scan of Taylor's brain in that moment, and that emulation makes up part of them. Bring a scan of her at the bottom of a depressive spiral, of course it's going to be nothing but pessimistic.

My initial sketch-in-my-head was honestly that Liba and Taylor wouldn't even meet until Taylor got to Boston, and I'd been figuring they'd coordinate for at least a bit before any possibility of Taylor figuring things out and/or Witching out would come up.

Then I got to 'Liba has to wait an uncertain amount of time for Taylor to show up', when Cherie is not exactly the height of patience and being a Witch takes away a lot of natural ways to pass the time, and the first part of that assumption was promptly trashed. And then in really thinking through the logistics of the situation I realized 'Witch secretly coordinating with a magical girl' was rather improbable in general and Taylor in particular wouldn't be possible to delay/distract/otherwise pushed into glossing over her Soul Gem picking up a Witch, and it rapidly became obvious that Taylor would run right at the upsetting collage of facts involved therein. Which... was basically inevitably going to result in either a Grief spiral or a Soul Gem-destroying suicide. So yeah, immediate Witch-Taylor wasn't actually The Plan, but here we are!

Huh, that was sure unexpected. Seems like QA made a backup mind copy of Taylor too, going by 'shadow taylor', which shall likely help Libra and Rose be less monstrous in general.

Keep in mind I default heavily to characters presenting their interpretations/experiences as blandly factual, where two characters can have 'objectively identical' experiences that their respective narrations present quite differently, even when not writing Witches which adds more reasons to go strongly in that direction. Liba and Rose's respective presentations of feeding on Grief, for example, where Liba goes 'music-people playing the right music makes me feel better' while Rose goes 'nasty wellwater tastes awful, but I need the nutrition'.

I'm not sure from the trigger whether QA was actually partially integrated into the Witch or not. At a minimum it sounded like her emotion emulation got flicked on. Or on rereading it, maybe it's actually a bud from QA rather than QA itself-- possibly a deliberate experiment from the Shards to see what is going on with the magical girls and witches?

I forget-slash-no-longer-care what 'offcial canon' is on shard mechanics, but I've always taken it as a given that there's some shard-material in a host's brain (even before they trigger) that handles coordination with the main of the shard, this chunk being the Corona Pollentia. So the shard-conversation is Taylor's Corona Pollentia pinging the main Queen Administrator unit that it's time for Taylor's trigger event and then things turn weird because Taylor is Witching out during the connection.
 
If find it funny that in almost all Madoka fanfics every Magical Girl runs their battery 30 seconds from Witchdom at all times.

I can only assume that the Incubators are draining their energy dry at all times and don't care that the Magical Girls are constantly starving and always only one bad day from collapse.
 
For someone who was already having doubts and guilt, I could see having the fact that she was essentially a serial killer confirmed pegging the meter straight from a clean bill. (Which she was honestly probably pretty close to, given that she took out a Witch at the beginning of the chapter. Though the visit to break the news to the parents probably didn't help.)
 
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If find it funny that in almost all Madoka fanfics every Magical Girl runs their battery 30 seconds from Witchdom at all times.

I can only assume that the Incubators are draining their energy dry at all times and don't care that the Magical Girls are constantly starving and always only one bad day from collapse.
it's literally a system where the only way to get more Grief cleansing is pick one:

  1. Another girl Witches out, and then you kill the Witch.
  2. A familiar rampages enough (kills some multiple people, unclear exact count) to become a Witch and you harvest that.
Like, I don't know if later materials contradict this, but per the anime that's all the options we're given.

The Incubators don't need to do shit beyond have this system in place in the first place. Kyoko and Mami are both explicitly unusual just for being veterans at all, Mami more so for doing so in any kind of moral way- Kyoko explicitly tries to make Sayaka the new MG farm familiars for a reliable supply, and the fact that Kyoko has an actual supply of Grief Seeds at all is apparently not just a given, which is not exactly surprising.

MGs build up Grief by being emotionally distressed, using their magic, or taking damage they have to heal- of course, these are all things you expect when fighting Witches.

The system is basically built on every level to make being a Magical Girl likely to lead to a swift and gruesome end, and the story is very much aware of that fact. It's literally a given to the system that either most Magical Girls Witch out (or die!) early, or else that most Magical Girls do essentially what Kyoko does which, what do you know, is bad for one's mental and emotional health, making it hard to not wind up Witching out for that reason.

Meanwhile, we see that One Bad Day is enough to massively fill up one's Soul Gem, so basically the only way to not be One Bad Day from Witching Out is to be both really callous to human suffering (which the lifestyle will subject you to a great deal of) and also a super badass ala Mami or Kyoko (but preferably moreso) so you can not only callously grind Grief Seeds that you know are being caused by mass human deaths, but do so at a minimum of risk and effort to allow yourself to do so without burning much energy in the process.

It would be surprising for most Magical Girls- who are young girls, late teens at the most when Kyubey gets them to contract by, bluntly, lying to them and hiding how awful the lifestyle of child soldier will be, and do not likely have the life experience to have developed effective coping skills before the magic parts of Grief- to be able to reliably avoid being one bad day off, while the mechanics of Grief are obfuscated from them, the rules of the system are rigged to lead to more veteran Magical Girls tending to view you as competition if they've made it that far, a position that Kyubey does nothing to fight against, and while Kyubey, the magically enforced secrecy, and the general culture we see all but forbids actually consulting with adults not in on things to get, like, good management skills from their parents or whatever who have no idea what is going on.

The system is rigged on every level, and frankly fanfic tends to give the magical girls protagonist privilege whereby they're the lucky ones who don't, as canon implies happens to some girls, Witch Out literally just from the emotional stress of realizing they could have wished for something better, right after making that Wish before even going into the super stressful child soldier parts.

It's not clear exactly how much Grief a single Seed can siphon off, mind, but it is explicit in canon that the veterans expect you to need to hunt up more every few days, not months or years apart, so combine that with everything else, and yeah. Yeah, they're one bad day off because the system is just plain rigged to make the vast majority if not every single MG one bad day off.
 
I'll be honest, I kinda wish we got to see magical girl Taylor for a little bit longer, maybe taking a day or two talking to talking to Libra and trying to last as long as possible with whatever scraps of power she has left after the reveal, then doing her best to let her dad down 'easy' before willingly giving in, but this feels about right anyways, and I'm just glad to see this story back.

Also I never really thought about the Gemma/potentia being seperate to the shard like that, I always just kinda assumed that they where directly connected to the shard via a portal, but them being seperate, passive monitoring systems at least before the trigger actually makes a lot more sense than what I was thinking. I don't think it'll ever be really relevant to me, but you've definitely changed my headcannon
 
maybe taking a day or two talking to talking to Libra and trying to last as long as possible with whatever scraps of power she has left after the reveal, then doing her best to let her dad down 'easy' before willingly giving in
I don't think you really have a chance to do anything like that. If you have the wherewithal to let your loved ones know you're long for this world, then you have the presence of mind to go hunt a witch or beg a seed off another magical girl. Otherwise you're trapped in a depressive spiral and will witch out before having the chance to say goodbye. Not unless they're right there when it happens.
 
Re; speed of Witching out, I'll admit that in the anime it's actually mostly presented as taking a while to cross the line, where eg Sayaka spends seemingly days (We get an ambiguous montage so it's not possible to pin down a specific timeframe) after learning she's a rock and becoming completely unhinged by this info before finally actually turning, or the timeline where Madoka asks Homura to destroy her Soul Gem before she Witches out having her and Homura visibly on the cusp and still have a few minutes to do stuff, or the timeline where the team sees a girl Witch out, fights the Witch, and then Mami goes murder-suicide instead of Witching out herself. There's a fair argument that a properly canon-compliant fanfic ought to have even the most crushing revelations take a while to actually push a girl to Witching out.

On the other hand, we get a timeline where Madoka apparently one-shots Walpurgisnacht and immediately Witches out, no justification given for why it happens at all, let alone so swiftly in this particular case. Madoka canon pretty obviously is running on Rule of Drama first and foremost; an author wanting mechanical coherency simply can't be fully 'canon-compliant', because the real answer for why Witching out takes a bit in various scenes is that canon wanted to fit in other horrific stuff first, not because of any underlying mechanical framework.

And in my case at least, I default to assuming it can/does happen fairly rapidly in part due to the 'ecosystem' and its apparent sociological state; the extent to which it's apparently normal for magical girls to be unaware of how fundamentally brutal the system is on contractees and only rarely notice 'a Witch rising correlates to a magical girl falling' really seems to demand that many girls contract and Witch out without a chance to meet other magical girls so the illusion of 'Witches pop out of nowhere' can be widely maintained, which in turn demands that a girl can have a meltdown cause them to Witch out in a couple days or less, with a swifter transition being better for this purpose.

(The delayed collapse canon leans toward fits for the metaphorical aspects of Madoka, mind, but I've said before I find Madoka canon more interesting when taken literally than when taken metaphorically, and my experience with the fandom suggests I'm far from alone on this point)

I just meant that you had Taylor actually witch out. Zero plot armor whatsoever.

To be fair, fanfic usually treats 'become a Witch' as a form of death, which is the main thing plot armor wards against, and I'm not doing that, but that's still a good point I hadn't considered.
 
On the other hand, we get a timeline where Madoka apparently one-shots Walpurgisnacht and immediately Witches out, no justification given for why it happens at all, let alone so swiftly in this particular case. Madoka canon pretty obviously is running on Rule of Drama first and foremost; an author wanting mechanical coherency simply can't be fully 'canon-compliant', because the real answer for why Witching out takes a bit in various scenes is that canon wanted to fit in other horrific stuff first, not because of any underlying mechanical framework
From what I remember, that was explicitly because of Homura's whole time loop thing messing everything up, somehow.
 
From what I remember, that was explicitly because of Homura's whole time loop thing messing everything up, somehow.

Kyubey informs us that Kriemhild/Madoka's power is the time loop's fault, but no explanation is offered for why Madoka one-shotting Walpurgisnacht is sufficiently draining to result in her immediately Witching out where her and Homura having a long draining fight against Walpurgisnacht in an earlier timeline let them lay on the floor for several minutes and talk. It's just mechanical inconsistency for the sake of wringing more tears from Homura/the audience.
 
Kyubey informs us that Kriemhild/Madoka's power is the time loop's fault, but no explanation is offered for why Madoka one-shotting Walpurgisnacht is sufficiently draining to result in her immediately Witching out where her and Homura having a long draining fight against Walpurgisnacht in an earlier timeline let them lay on the floor for several minutes and talk. It's just mechanical inconsistency for the sake of wringing more tears from Homura/the audience.
The show doesn't do us the favor of saying this, but the only way I can see it making any sense is if she literally put all of her magical power into one shot, since running out of magic as well as emotional distress can trigger witching. But you're right it does come off as kind of inconsistent.
 
Hope things go well for you soon!!!
And SO GLAD TO SEE THIS BACK!!!!
Its really funny how unplanned you say this is when it feels like such a natural progression of how things would go. Of course Liba would want to pester Taylor while she waits to get on with this mission, and of course Taylor wouldn't be able let sleeping Witches be. Badda Bing Badda Boom and now my all time favorite Power Couple is back at it again in an all new and depressingly fun form! Cannot wait to see how this duo (trio?) plays into each other!
 
In the case of this story for Taylor, too, there's also a concerted setup. Canon presents some ambiguity, but here, Taylor's situation is presented as bad enough to make reasonable sense within that ambiguity.

Just how quickly exactly do magical girls Witch out? Who knows, but when the magical girl in question started as horribly depressed before ever becoming a magical girl in the first place, has a protracted career being absolutely miserable with lead-in and significant explicit portrayal of her having a hard time of seeing herself as so much a cursed and thankless mercy-killer whose job is to try to bring some measure of closure to tragic victims, and then has all her worst fears and horrible suspicions shoved right in her face in excruciatingly validated detail... Yeah, she's gonna turn into a Witch right quick with that final event.

In a lot of ways, Taylor kind of doesn't turn all of a sudden. Canon is indeed pretty vague and inconsistent, but not dissimilar to Sayaka herself, that which precedes the actual dramatic transformation itself is pretty involved. Taylor just also has a single critical moment that also is a big deal too. Combine the two, and it offers a reasonable scenario for the outcome. Taylor turns into a Witch because the story develops her to turn into a Witch then.
 
you have the presence of mind to go hunt a witch or beg a seed off another magical girl.


I didn't mean to imply that she couldn't find another witch, but that in this hypothetical timeline she would be unwilling to kill another witch/consume a grief seed after the reveal that witches are fully sapient beings that she's been slaughtering
 
Expanded Micromake: Wish Away
"Hold on," it occurs to me one day as I'm wandering about Brockton Bay for reasons I can't be bothered to explain to a hypothetical audience, which I'm thinking telepathically because I accepted the puppet's friend request in my brain for reasons not worth getting into right now. "With all this crap with wishes and whatnot, which can do fucking timelines apparently, why not convince someone to just... wish away Scion? Or hell, all the alien whatsits. This seems like a really obvious exploit, man."

The muppet is for whatever goddamn reason hanging out on some rando teenage girl's head. "That would require a truly enormous Potential, such as someone who could strike down a god might have." Then it stares very pointedly down at the curly-haired girl, then very pointedly at the camera-

"No!" I shriek. "Fuck you, I'm not costarring with Taylor again!"

Kyubey sighs. "You're being very unprofessional, miss Vasil."

Taylor looks annoyed. "It's not like I'm a serial killer in this one, Cherie, calm down, you're being unreasonable."

"No!" I punctuate my refusal by stomping the ground. "We're already booked for The Wild Hunt and I'm getting nightmares from that role! You cannot possibly pay me enough to costar with Taylor again!" Thank fuck I'm an unpopular character! I usually get a bit role, or die off-screen, or otherwise get to only briefly interact with Taylor!

Kyubey sighs again. "Please? It'd really simplify this story."

"No, nope, fuck you, hell no."

And then I walk off set while Taylor and Kyubey commiserate about me being a 'drama queen'. Dicks.

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"Good news, Cherie! You get your wish!"

Huzzawha? "Which one is that? The one where I get twenty raises?"

"No," The Director says a bit shortly. "The one where you won't be costarring with Taylor."

Oh thank fuck. "Glad to hear you saw reason! So what's my next scene?"

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"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'VE BEEN REPLACED?!?" thunders from Cherie's trailer as Liba and Rose wince, getting ready for their first scene.

"What a high-strung girl," murmurs Liba as Rose nods sympathetically, Kyubey grooming itself in the background unconcernedly.

"MY CHARACTER IS STILL IN THE STORY, WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!"

Kyubey sighs. "I'm looking forward to these calmer scenes."

Everyone nods sagely, especially the makeup artists who had to work with Cherie and put up with her complaining anytime she felt she didn't look perfect. (Which was most of the time)

I'm actually pretty far into the next chapter! But also having apartment drama and all. Mostly good drama with long-time problems finally getting fixed, but still draining and all, so no Proper Update yet.

This is an omake I had the basic idea of before I posted the story of all, but didn't want to post initially because spoilers, then didn't want to post because oh look I was bringing in Taylor after all, then just forgot about entirely. Then I rediscovered it earlier this week, figured I'd post it shortly after next update because it's so tiny, then had the apartment drama hit hard, so figured I'd post it before I forgot it entirely. Again.

And so here we are.

Edit from 2024: Wow, I already posted and Threadmarked a shorter version of this and completely forgot I'd done so. I knew I was having a bad time, but jeez... I've updated the title to better denote the point and added this explanatory note for people who notice 2 similarly-named Apocypha Threadmarks; yep. I derped. Pretty hard. Surprised nobody commented on it at the time, honestly...
 
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Hehehehehehehehehehehe Im not gonna lie I feel like I am in this omake. Im dying I love these two disasters so much.
 
I love Cherie co-starring with Taylor, and am totally looking forward to the Wild Hunt, if/whenever it happens.
 
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