Likely an effect of mass-produced and publicly available life extensions, with longer life expectancy people would want something that hold up for their new prolonged lifespan, same with stability of political regime, for better or worse. Hell, won't be surprised if at the last millennium of Federation death from an age was a choice and not an undeniable law of nature.
Edit: Would make Big E's constant work of hiding more easy, if think about, no one bat an eye on an undying 10ft tall muscle man scientist if there are more wild bio mods there, like Ferrus wolfpeople
Edit edit: Thinking about it, in a proper big space government, which humanity was, planned obsolescence would likely become, well, obsolescent, since the market is just that big to do this sort of underhanded tactics and "our product last longer than our competitor" is a valid commercial move on this scale
A scene/vision bringed by a beautiful song that seems to work very well when related to Mechanicus. And comments.
Piper was summoned for a test by her master. The test was to correctly identify and name 3 technologicalnobject, down to particulars of model and make. Rho-Epsilon-5 was very nervous (and cheated a little with Observe) but she successfully passed the test. He congratulate and assured her what her allowance will be increased both in money and workforce available.
Rho happily skipped out of the chamber of the Omnissiah church.
Neurosage looked in the shocked eyes of rest of the gathered Priesthood half of which was visitors from the distant Stygius VIII and said:
"Summon the Astropathic Choir, for we made a Discovery"
Agreed Piper, humanity's continued descent in spite of the incredible potential it hold (and once actualized) is unacceptable. Wasteful, even.
Granted, some of that is helped along by external forces rather than greed and tribalism; still, I can't help but feel that the Administratum (for instance) does more harm bungling up logistics, than chaos marines manage on a good day. The AdMech's shelving useful technology for political reasons (rather than logistical ones) does not help either.
PS: @SpiraSpira, I had been wondering, is this story deliberately not listed in your signature?
I'm not sure if that's not a bot that somehow got in, i'ts basically grabbing the first asinine youtube video youtube gives out when placing the last line of the fic into the search bar...
If it's not a bot then I'm going to correct myself and say "That person is" but I need someone to convince me otherwise... Maybe TT himself?
Likely an effect of mass-produced and publicly available life extensions, with longer life expectancy people would want something that hold up for their new prolonged lifespan, same with stability of political regime, for better or worse. Hell, won't be surprised if at the last millennium of Federation death from an age was a choice and not an undeniable law of nature.
Edit: Would make Big E's constant work of hiding more easy, if think about, no one bat an eye on an undying 10ft tall muscle man scientist if there are more wild bio mods there, like Ferrus wolfpeople
Edit edit: Thinking about it, in a proper big space government, which humanity was, planned obsolescence would likely become, well, obsolescent, since the market is just that big to do this sort of underhanded tactics and "our product last longer than our competitor" is a valid commercial move on this scale
This is an important point to note. If almost everyone who had the means and could put in the effort to was functionally immortal, bar force majure, then that meant that any products most important point after its fuction and reliability was its longevity
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This would also put into perspective the heavily scattered levels of tech displayed in the golden age, as untested and or experimental tech was never spread out among the federation, as people had the time to wait for its effects and practicality to be improved.
Something MOI used heavily against humanity, crippling the most advanced parts of the federation in their initial rebellion.
This is an important point to note. If almost everyone who had the means and could put in the effort to was functionally immortal, bar force majure, then that meant that any products most important point after its fuction and reliability was its longevity
Why? Most products have vastly shorter useful lifespans than their users right now. What's the breakpoint for the multiplier where suddenly that becomes a super high priority?
Why? Most products have vastly shorter useful lifespans than their users right now. What's the breakpoint for the multiplier where suddenly that becomes a super high priority?
Think about it.
It actually depends on the product, for instance:
A home that is inhabited longer continuously has long term and potentially expensive maintenance costs become more of a concern. Granted for things like reselling, families, and the like such things are already considered but if the homeowner wants to live in it even longer near continuously and wants to minimise maintenance hassles that becomes even more important.
Another thing that is likely to be affected especially when significant shipping distances are involved would be different vehicles.
Next archives and memory storage, you presumably want those precious memories and records to last with you and want to risk transfers and corruption rarely.
Granted this would not apply to most things and only likely to certain important products,
after all merely having a longer lifespan will not cause you to share Frierens perception of time.
A bigger driver for product longevity would be longer journeys and greater distances for travel and transport and especially with limited opportunities for resupplying, and only so much you can manufacture on the journey, and some products being manufactured almost exclusively in potentially quite far away forge worlds.
Even more so when passengers are awake for the journey and especially when said passengers may in some cases have the aforementioned longer lifespans.
Well what do we have here?
Warhammer 40K just so happens to provide exactly that kind of environment.
Granted most citizens are not exactly well off enough to really benefit from this aside from being able to survive for a while so that hive cities and the like don't typically simply collapse.
Think about it.
It actually depends on the product, for instance:
A home that is inhabited longer continuously has long term and potentially expensive maintenance costs become more of a concern. Granted for things like reselling, families, and the like such things are already considered but if the homeowner wants to live in it even longer near continuously and wants to minimise maintenance hassles that becomes even more important.
Another thing that is likely to be affected especially when significant shipping distances are involved would be different vehicles.
Next archives and memory storage, you presumably want those precious memories and records to last with you and want to risk transfers and corruption rarely.
A bigger driver for product longevity would be longer journeys and greater distances for travel and transport and especially with limited opportunities for resupplying, and only so much you can manufacture on the journey, and some products being manufactured almost exclusively in potentially quite far away forge worlds.
This, maybe, but do remember the subject was golden age technology, not 40K technology - they probably didn't have all the same issues. Not sure about travel time, but they almost certainly didn't only manufacture advanced technology on a handful of overspecialized planets.
So first of all, if it depends on the product, that refutes the original claim...
And the two(?) examples here, again, already apply to 21st century Earth.
This, maybe, but do remember the subject was golden age technology, not 40K technology - they probably didn't have all the same issues. Not sure about travel time, but they almost certainly didn't only manufacture advanced technology on a handful of overspecialized planets.
Does it actually completely refute the original claim or merely cut it down? If it does then how so exactly?
Three examples and whether they already apply to Earth already or not is not a valid argument as that kind of thing is very much relative not binary.
Lifespan is still a factor to consider but is not alone.
Finally they had more spread out manufacturing but still had limitations and many products still had to be transported on long journeys across great distances. Each colony had its own STC but they were largely used for more efficient construction of equipment and shelters and taking advantage of local resources while making up for a local lack of others.
Some star systems naturally lack different heavier elements with different properties used in different things.
They had the same travel time issue but to a lesser degree due to the warp being calmer before Slannesh.
This is an important point to note. If almost everyone who had the means and could put in the effort to was functionally immortal, bar force majure, then that meant that any products most important point after its fuction and reliability was its longevity
Another factor to consider when talking about the longevity of golden age artifacts, the only artifacts that ramain are logicly the more robust and age resistant ones. Its possible even likely that much of the tech produced in the golden age wasn't that long lived, that after a century of haphazard or no maintenance all that remains is scrap, but well that's not the tech that you'll find.
The only artifacts that remains after more than 10k years would HAVE to be the absurdly long-lived and robust ones.
I finally finished an Omake! It is crossover with Loyalty is its own Reward (A Traitor Legion Chapter Master Quest)
because i`ve read both stories at the same time (when i was reading latest update here). And this crazy-ish idea was born and just wanted out of my head.
Loyal Sons of Curze (masquerading as sons of Corax) are "rewarded" for their good work with some good news about the Newest Saint.
Technically this was a second time Chapter Master Severus was before the whole Sectors Conclave. It was a celebratory occasion this time. The Victory over Eyes of Mutator was the official reason for his presence. Yet, the meeting officially didn`t started. The Inquisitors was waiting for someone else. He also, wasn`t the only "guest" of Conclave here and now. The representatives of local Forge Worlds was here to be introduced to the new Inquisitor of Ordo Machinum and the Canoness of the Order of Thorned Spear, for her Order participation in the fight against the heretics. Oh, and a fat Cardinal was here too. That one was really nervous. For some reason.
The doors to the chamber quickly opened and another unknown Inquisitor entered. He was wearing sleek silvery power armor, which was almost entirely without adornments, except for a small symbol of Inquisition stamped in black on his left pauldron. But thin powersword as well as boltpistol on his hips was both positively covered in gold and sacred seals. He was accompanied by another Astartes. A Blackshield. With custom-made extremely silent powerarmor. His smooth movements put Chapter Master Severus on edge. This was a dangerous one.
"Greetings", said the unknown Inquisitor, "Without names," he raised his left hand in gesture to stop Inquisitor Harker from introduction. "Names has power and mine shall remain hidden for now. Let it be known what I am here today in my capacity as a High Lord of Terra, the Representative of the Holy Inquisition. Inquisitor Harker, you was noticed." He stopped right before him, "Kneel."
Harker gulped, glanced around, but steeled himself and kneeled before the High Lord of Terra.
"When reports about what you have done with those Astartes to create Mist Shrikes Chapter has reached Sacred Terra, many has called for your execution, accusations of Heresy was flinged around. A lot."
For a moment, triumph shined in the Inquisitor Mitsuhide' eyes. Harker tensed, Severus glanced around. Is this a moment when their Chapter will be censored because of their dark origin, he wondered. He didn`t wanted it. He was loyal to the Emperor and his brothers will be devastated.
The unknown Inquisitor waited for several seconds and when took the powersword from his belt. He took it together with it`s sheath from magnetic clamp. And then bowed and placed the powersword in the hands of Inquisitor Harker.
"Rise, Lord Inquisitor!" he said to disbelieving face of Harker. "You see, first thing I did was to query our Archives if such thing was ever done. And what results did it bring?" the High Lord of Terra smiled at Harker, "Such practice was invented by the Primarch, Roboute Guilliman Himself, and used to replenish losses after the Siege of Terra. And even then, despite all devastation it resulted in almost 30 percent rise of available geneseed. And this practice was in use for more than 3 thousands years, up to the Age of Strife. You can say what this is another good thing ruined by Goge Vandire. Yes, your method gives just 10 percent rise in overall available gene-seed capacity, but you worked with just one geneline. But still, somehow, as a mortal man, recreated methodology invented by the Primarch! And, most importantly, you have succeeded. This is serious achievement in my book, deserving a promotion. It can be said what you have continued the Work of the Saint Sebastian Thor in cleaning up the mess Vandire has left! But, with promotion comes more work. I recommend you to use your new level of access to study what Guilliman did. I order you to create 2 new Chapters of Space Marines, using different genelines than the one used to create Mist Shrikes, I recommend contact Chapters of the Second Founding, which was created through the use of this method for the potential officers. These projects shall be finished in the next 30 years, it shall silence your political detractors and prove the efficiency of this method again. You shall establish those new Chapters in other Subsectors, you shall leave this one for this to work in the next twenty years. You shall rise appropriate apprentice to replace you in this one."
"Thank you, my Lord," astonished Harker bowed his head.
"No, thank you," the Lord of Terra almost hugged now thoroughly disturbed Inquisitor, "Your little project neatly compensated for some real fuck up with Leman Russ' geneseed, which others in the room are not authorized to know about. Though I understand what use of this method can cure new Chapter from known afflictions of their geneline, can lead to introducing of new flaws. I am confident what you will succeed, just like you have succeeded with mist Shrikes."
"I will not fail you, my Lord,' Harker bowed again.
The High lord nodded in answer.
"But now we must turn to other reasons why I requested lord Inquisitor Harker to organize this meeting and have the representatives of Holy Church of the Emperor and local priesthood of Mars to be present here. A new Saint was found."
The present members of Thorned Spear has gasped. Even the Inquisitor one. And most other people in the room suppressed their reactions to the proclamation. The techpriests remained as indifferent as they was though.
"But, as you know every true Saint of the Emperor represent some Aspect of His Most Holy Being. And here lies a complication. Because, you see this Saint, while her holiness was verified, represent part of the Emperor which is Omnissiah." This has made techpriest react and pay close attention, "She has found archeotech and replicated the Marvel of Repairing."
The techpriests has fallen to their knees and started praying.
The high Lord gestured to the Blaackshiled and he somehow get to identical long weapon boxes before both techpriests. Severus couldn`t remember where he got them.
"In this boxes are 2 of examples of the ancient archeotech the Saint has found. It is ancient electrorifles, repaired by Her blessed hands. Also inside are digital copies of the holy Manual, which the Saint has also found and the local techpriest who has found the Saint herself has carefully scanned. His own Forgeworld – Stygies VIII, has already voted for an act of Sanctioned Reverse-engineering, but I suggest what your own Forgeworld make speedy decision and start the production of the rifles as soon as possible. The Inqusition are very interested in their resumed production. The Arbiters might be too. Am I understood?"
The techpriests answered with more digital prayers. Apparently, the Inquisitor could understand them and nodded in satisfaction.
The High Lord then turned to the Chapter Master Severus,
"Chapter Master Severus, I am very satisfied with how Chapter has turned out, despite the setbacks you have suffered. And still after all your long service and sacrifices, I must ask more of you, Loyal Astartes," the Inquisitor put certain gravitas on the word 'Loyal', he knew, "I can not give much to your Chapter as a reward for good job, except lowering your gene-seed Tithe for the next two hundreds years to five percent of nominal," he gestured and the Blackshield put a scroll with Inqusitorial seals before the Severus, "And yet I must ask for more work from you." the High Lord briefly looked at the Canoness, "It is also the real reasons, why you was invited, "You see, the brave Chapter Master here secretly is one of the oldest spacemarines in the galaxy, due to surviving vagaries of warp. He is so old, what he is one of the few who actually seen the Emperor walking among the mortals in the flesh." This proclamation made fire in the Canoness eyes burn brighter.
"I have only saw Him once," said Severus honestly, not knowing where the Inqusior leads.
"At the start of the Great Crusade, yes. And so I ask you to paint that moment, as you saw it. There is currently no images of that grandiose event surviving."
"I don`t know how to paint."
"Then I ask you to learn and create."
The Astartes in question could only nod at, honestly weird request. But, judging by the eyes of other people in the room, people of modern era, it was kinda a big deal.
"Canoness, Cardinal I have a request for you both. Then the image will be created, it shall be placed in the most holy and the most defensible Church of the Order of Thorned Spear. There shall be three copies made. You shall insure what either your Order have those who can make those copies of the Emperor`s Holy Visage or what you have suitable talented and pious artists in your employ. One of the copies shall be returned to the Mist Shrikes. One shall be placed in the cathedral upon their homeworld. There shall be a new suitably defensible cathedral built for this purpose. There also shall be a new cathedral upon the capital world of this subsector, sanctified in the name of Saint Sebastian Thor, where the last copy shall be placed. Lastly, but most importantly, the numbers of your Order shall be trebled. Why? Because the Saint shall took pilgrimage to Holy Terra and pass through this subsector on her way in the next thirty to fifty years, depending on warp travel. She shall see at least one of those Holy Images. Cardinal, you must ensure what there is enough money for all of that even if you shall spend your personal funds and sell your last robes to do it. Am I understood?"
The fat cardinal trembled and quickly nodded under the heavy gazes of the High Lord and Canoness.
"Good. Remember Canoness, the Saint shall not find your Order lacking."
"She will not!" proclaimed Canoness with new fervor.
"I never said what the Saint was female."
"I… I felt it. My Lord?"
"And you felt it right! Ensure what the funds the Ecclesiarchy are spent appropriately for the purposes we have discussed here."
"We will!" promised Canoness and bowed to the Inquisitor, before looking at the Cardinal.
"And on this note, I shall leave you to your celebration of victory over the vile heretics. I hope what I do not need to tell you about the necessary secrecy. And what our orders shall be carried with utmost efficiency, the Saint shall not find your subsector lacking when she comes. Remember, the High Lords of terra are always watching. Inquisitor Harker, with me, we can have a discussion while you accompany to my shuttle."
On his way to the doors the High Lord stopped and turned again.
"Inquisitor Mitsuhide, no reports about you have crossed my desk," he watched her for a moment longer and then left with the now Lord Inquisitor Harker.
Severus let out a relieved sigh and turned to take some drink, but when he took a glass of some strong amasec, he has found Canoness looking at him with hungry eyes.
