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I was thinking of a prequel starring Nikki Wood.
Buffy Reboot With "Black Lead"
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I was thinking of a prequel starring Nikki Wood.
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I'm curious if people consider Whedon to have a good history with black leads.
From what I recall of his career, we have the street-wise Gunn doing a deal with the devil because he felt he wasn't smart enough for Wolfram & Hart, Kendra got killed pretty quick, Triplett didn't amount to much, Avengers didn't feature War Machine, Justice League (not his formulation, but still) had a black lead who was pretty much a quadruple amputee in a mech suit which also goes for Deathlock...
I think Mack from Agents of SHIELD might be his most positively portrayed and pushed character, with Zoe as the no.2? And I guess Mack is more of something his brother worked on...
Regardless, here's an article I read a while back discussing some of Whedon's missteps as a producer...
From what I recall of his career, we have the street-wise Gunn doing a deal with the devil because he felt he wasn't smart enough for Wolfram & Hart, Kendra got killed pretty quick, Triplett didn't amount to much, Avengers didn't feature War Machine, Justice League (not his formulation, but still) had a black lead who was pretty much a quadruple amputee in a mech suit which also goes for Deathlock...
I think Mack from Agents of SHIELD might be his most positively portrayed and pushed character, with Zoe as the no.2? And I guess Mack is more of something his brother worked on...
Regardless, here's an article I read a while back discussing some of Whedon's missteps as a producer...
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But it wouldn't be able to run for very long since we know she dies after 7 years of slaying
What about Shepard Book?
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Would you consider Shepard a lead? He felt more of a supporting character to me in the one season of Firefly. Plus he died from an offscreen attack in Serenity...
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What do we even know about this besides it having a black lead?
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It's supposed to be 'inclusive'. That's it.
But that's fine. I don't need to know anything else. It'll be terrible. I have foreseen it.
Apparently the showrunner, Monica Owusu-Breen, was a writer for Fringe, Agents of Shield and Lost?
So uh. Who knows. She's been on an upward trajectory and wiki says the eps she headed looked good. She's also a black woman so hey that makes me much more confident that the new Buffy being black will be handled well.
Help my eyes are rolling so hard I'm getting friction burns! Oww and I just cut myself on something edgey!
So uh. Who knows. She's been on an upward trajectory and wiki says the eps she headed looked good. She's also a black woman so hey that makes me much more confident that the new Buffy being black will be handled well.
Help my eyes are rolling so hard I'm getting friction burns! Oww and I just cut myself on something edgey!
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Everybody in the cast had done a deal with the Devil at that point, just by agreeing to hire on at W&H. It wasn't even the subtext to Season 5 of Angel, it was...supratext? Plain old text?
Honestly it was kind of a bummer the show went bottom up when it did, the whole metaphor of "Okay, idealistic outsiders, here's this huge pile of resources and assets that can solve way more problems than you ever could down at the street level, but you take it and you become part of the System you've been fighting"...there's some pretty juicy story telling meat to sink your teeth into there.
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Honestly, I kinda think we need to put a moratorium on reboots for a while. There's just too goddamn many of them and they suck in a proportion that exceeds the normal sturgeon's law expectations. And some of them have just plain pissed me off because the originals were stuff I liked. Hell, look at the trailer for the new teen titans reboot. Look what they did with the reboot of, well, Reboot.
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Meh. I don't mind some edge. This will probably be super-edgey if/when they ever get around to it.
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Seriously, why do we have to reboot everything? Why can't we just have sequels instead. You know, the Next Slayer, the new team of Ghostbusters, the Enterprise captain AFTER Picard rather than going back and redoing Kirk, etc... I know that all stories are retold, but can we not just keep telling the same part of the story?
I kinda think it's probably linked to people not wanting to move on. To get older.
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I can understand the reluctance to work out the continuity snarl of long-running series, much less ask audiences to work out that continuity snarl themselves.
Reboots are the standard way of saying "okay, none of that matters anymore, we're starting fresh, and new viewers can join in without having to work through thirty years of previous movies and TV series." They're not the only way, but it's a way of answering the question of whether a new interested person might have to invest in several hundred dollars' worth of media just to catch up on the new show.
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I feel by choosing a black lead they a loosing a lot of the basic premise. Buffy in the original hadn't had problems before vampires. Not real major ones. She was a valley girl type.
From what I understand, a black person can't live like that in the states because of racism. They are forced to live in ghettos and are shot. By the police all the time. Which means Buffy will already be used to watching for people wanting to kill her. Already used to the idea that life is going to be hell.
Unless they set. It somewhere other than the states, I don't see how it could recapture the feeling of the original Buffy. It might be good, but its all ready loosing a lot of the basic premise.
From what I understand, a black person can't live like that in the states because of racism. They are forced to live in ghettos and are shot. By the police all the time. Which means Buffy will already be used to watching for people wanting to kill her. Already used to the idea that life is going to be hell.
Unless they set. It somewhere other than the states, I don't see how it could recapture the feeling of the original Buffy. It might be good, but its all ready loosing a lot of the basic premise.
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As I mentioned, I am not really sure this is a reboot at all. The article seems to conflate any sort of continuation of a series with rebooting it. Prison Break, X-Files, 24. These are not things which were rebooted, but the article has them as examples of reboots.
The only actual quotes from sources are basically that everything outside of 'inclusive w/black lead' is in flux and that the intent is to build on the previous show's mythology.
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I like the changing of the main, its something that seems to be a new for remaking these 90's shows. I mean they did plan to redo rugrats and we are even having a kim possible live action at the moment.
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I'm optimistic but cautious if that makes sense. I really liked the original series up to a point and I think there is a lot of room for a good time. Shows like Agents of shield and Legends of Tomorrow show people are still willing to watch fantastical adventure stuff and I don't think there was ever a time when teen mellowdrama went out of fashion. 
I do hope Joss has as little direct involvement as possible in the show however. His writing as really lost its sharpness over the years and overall has just gone down and down. I don't know what level of studio meddling and pressure from the higher ups there were but I really disliked both Avengers films he did as well as Justice League. And If I am being particularly brave I will admit I think Firefly was one of those things where what we got was good but would have nosedived if given the opportunity to continue.
Still, hopes are high.
I do hope Joss has as little direct involvement as possible in the show however. His writing as really lost its sharpness over the years and overall has just gone down and down. I don't know what level of studio meddling and pressure from the higher ups there were but I really disliked both Avengers films he did as well as Justice League. And If I am being particularly brave I will admit I think Firefly was one of those things where what we got was good but would have nosedived if given the opportunity to continue.
Still, hopes are high.
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Um...
Black people don't all live in Ghettos.
Furthermore I'm fairly sure that there are black people that don't have a lot of problem, they may not be a majority but I don't think your view of living as a black person is accurate. Our system has major issues regarding race but assuming that all African-Americans live in a hellish existences is... odd and doesn't really reflect reality.
So no I don't think the main character being black gets in the way of the premise.
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You mean aside using his position to cheat on his wife with young actresses?
On topic, funny thing but few years ago Tim Seeley tried to launch a new Blade book introducing his daughter. Comparisons to Buffy were instant.
Sadly it never came to be, rumor is Seeley tried to convince Marvel to hire a black woman writer to work with him when he felt he wouldn't get character's voice right on his own. Marvel refused, Seeley dropped off to DC and it took Ta-Nehishi coates to convince Mar el to finally hare a black woman as a writer for something.