WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
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- Reno Nevada
Eh maybe. Should probably do that. Voting is over in a landslide.
Blooming From A Seed To A Tree (Project Moon Crossover Quest)
- Thread starter WilyMachineKing1
- Start date
- Crossover Mature
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- Tags
- project moon shenanigans
- Location
- This miserable sphere of dirt and water
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Had a random thought. If we get the chance to go to the Library, and if it comes with the option of dragging someone else along as well, we need to drag Kotomine "I'm sad my wife killed herself because now I can't experience the joy of killing her myself" Kirei in front of Roland. Or Binah. She could be funny too.
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
That would be funny.
I love this introspective story of X trying to figure out what their purpose is now that the role they were made for in the first place is completely over. It ties in and really challenges Tiphereth concept of the "Expectation of the Meaning of Existence" too.
X's anxiety about Angela's betrayal in the story makes a lot of sense too, X probably understands why Angela did what she did, but that doesn't change the fact that she put the whole purpose of the facility at risk, thereby potentially completely wasting the lives and sacrifices of those who died and/or had to suffer for the ending to happen.
Now that the vote is closed, I must say I'm quite interested in seeing how this X interacts with Ryuunosuke, the serial murderer that is pretty much an antithesis of what X had to do in Lobotomy Corp.
X, who had to suffer through the hell of watching and even at times facilitating the deaths of their employees for the sake of a greater purpose, and now just figuring out what to do now that they have lost that goal.
And Ryuunosuke, who finds glee and excitement out of capturing, torturing and killing the weak, and who made his sole purpose in life to indulge in his obsession and morbid curiosity of death.
Even Caster (and I believe it is going to be the same Caster that is with Ryuunosuke from Fate/Zero) acts as a reflection on Ayin/X too, as someone who got so obsessed in a single person, that they also went mad after that person died.
This will be very fun indeed.
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- Location
- This miserable sphere of dirt and water
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The fact that X's body is still affected by Ayin, carrying bits and pieces of his appearance has interesting implications.
"Expectation for the meaning of existence" carries the subtle connotation of discovering said meaning for the first time, illuminating an until now dim reality. I admit, it can be quite easily dismissed in favor of rediscovery or a new meaning after you have lost your old one, but that is not the position X is in, now are they?
X did have their reason d'etre - they even managed to reach its conclusion, in fact. But, at the very last moment, it was all cast in doubt by Angela.
The fact that their appearance carries with it traces of Ayin shows that they cannot simply move on. The will and desire may be there, and the sky can be the limit in terms of possibilities, but X's past will not let them go until they learn the truth of what happened there at the end.
Until then, their wings are weighed down with tar.
Now, I'd love to talk about X more, but it is 6 am and I am typing this out on my phone in the train, so don't expect me to be much of a conversationalist for a while.
My view on that phrase is that it holds multiple meanings for Tiphereth A:
- Life have meaning, even if you can't see or understand what it is right now
- There is a reason for every sacrifice made, so we should keep moving forward to ensure they are not wasted
- An underlying belief that eventually, everything will be okay
And like you said, X's body still holding remnants of Ayin's appearance means that they cannot simply move on, so now that X have a pretty strong incentive to try to find a purpose for themself, the closest thought that would come to their mind is to find a way to see what happened to the City after the betrayal, and check if the plan succeeded in the end.
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- Location
- This miserable sphere of dirt and water
- Pronouns
- They/Them
X is also interesting because they aren't facing this in the same way that Tiphereth A or Roland did.
Those two started from the opposite end of what "Expectation for the meaning of existence" meant, believing there is no reason to exist and it is all meaningless. Their little journeys were, ultimately, about gaining what they did not have. Meanwhile, X already believes that life has meaning and that there is a reason to carry on into the future. Which brings me to the second point at which they differ; Tiphereth A and Roland both had something they could immediately latch onto, despite their previous stance. Roland had his revenge while Tiph worked towards the Seed of Light. X, however, has already fulfilled the purpose of their existence, and the only thing left to do concerning it is to confirm its success or failure - an action currently beyond their means. They are, as Hokma had put it, a lost traveller without a map or compass. There is nothing for them to believe in right now other than belief itself, and while that is hardly impossible, it is not the most stable of foundations, especially when the spectre of doubt has both of its hands planted firmly on their shoulders.
There is also another with X to consider, and that is Kether. Or rather, "The knowing I". I'll be honest, its exact meaning is not something I've ever exactly worked out, but I believe it relates to self-realization, self-awareness and ultimately self-mastery. What seems to be, or at least currently is the overarching goal that X has is self-discovery, of which they had no intrinsic need before the script was played to its end, seeing as they were, for all intents and purposes, just another piece of Ayin. Now, however, there is everything for them to discover about themself. And, the first potential, underlying faultline of their psychology is revealed here; their sense of self is wholly entangled with the script and the Seed of Light, leaving them to flounder once they are without it. "Expectation for the meaning of existence" carries them along for now, but that is not going to last, especially once X reateaches the whole of their self to whatever new purpose they manage to find.
Part of what I'm interested in is that this quest is very clearly inspired by *Human ressources*, not that it's trying to hide it or should, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all that, but I am wondering about what's different and what's the same.
We already do know some difference from the QM's comments, there are multiple Xs here, we are just as fragmented as Ayin was, we didn't reconsolidate, but what about the potential similarities? Are we an abnormality here too? Will we use other's EGO or our own? Are we a distortion?
Of course, I am not asking for the QM to actually give me the answer of those questions right there and now, what I am telling is that I am going to look at how we are going to dispatch this Artist and Mister *I love squids* to speculate on that.
We already do know some difference from the QM's comments, there are multiple Xs here, we are just as fragmented as Ayin was, we didn't reconsolidate, but what about the potential similarities? Are we an abnormality here too? Will we use other's EGO or our own? Are we a distortion?
Of course, I am not asking for the QM to actually give me the answer of those questions right there and now, what I am telling is that I am going to look at how we are going to dispatch this Artist and Mister *I love squids* to speculate on that.
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
I must pop your bubble slightly even though your conclusion is correct
Keter (void/eldritch/divinity/Compassion/etc ) and da'at ( Self realization/self awareness/self mastery/enlightenment/etc) are separate things in this case
But you can say X has his some of his fathers traits currently in that regard
But I will say this
Da'at is achievable in its bilateral ends but I don't recommend it right now
The Cradle for either representative of it are either in the epicenter of the darkness or past Qimranut
Both will take work
Especially the epicenter
And your a long way off from facing it Little Ember
Nor accounting for Thaumiel...... which is easier but sifting through your old things in architecture might yield you something once you reclaim it from the encroaching dark
And To nyark
I'll let you stew on Xs nature..... because he's arguable all and none of those, for ego or at least Xs personal one...... I did say you had to get back in the managers seat and that X at minimum is 2 nodes
Let us say this on differences
X here is not aleph unless they personally choose that mantle upoun themselves so to speak, X the journey man is not X the alchemist/alkahest, the alchemist has their hands full handling being the epitome of what L corp was, X here will have very different problems and destinations
And for another
I did say your roots and the root of the nasuverse were entwining for a reason
You are a Bridge
And bridges go bothe ways
On one end lies the various destinations the bridge connects to ie Outer X
The Middle acting as the connector web itself ie Inner X and the Facility
And the other side ie Library and city
There's a reason I said some of the entities were learning the hard way earlier in the thread
Chaldeas and the outer gods especially, City isn't that kind to foreigners...... even foreigners either bearing gifts or having neighborly talks with Equals as if Oedon and Cthylla were having a spot of tea
Where you go shall become connected, connected to you and by extent your source
Afterall aren't roots meant to bring back resources to its tree?
- Location
- This miserable sphere of dirt and water
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, I did mention I never quite figured it out. Still, hit bullseye on something else, so I'll call it a success!
I have to ask, are you co-QM? I know the first post contains thanks to you helping give options to vote, but that seems to imply far more.
- Location
- Moscow, Russia
[] A golden hair young man, already you feel great power and arrogance from him, however, there was also something else. What it was, you are not sure.
That one would be an interesting choice. Going straight up to hell from the start is a great beginning for a quest.
That one would be an interesting choice. Going straight up to hell from the start is a great beginning for a quest.
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WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
He kinda is, but to me, he's just this thread's local Cryptid. Talking but never voting.
Voting is over, but I love your enthusiasm.
Damn, barely by one, so close, yet so far.
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
If Wily is The Director
Then call me the Stage hand who handles the flipside
We talk and see what sticks
My commentary is for my sake as much as yours
And it isn't like X in universe is unaware of this knowledge but well...... not all knowledge is conscious knowledge
You are all X, and X is arguably the between of ayin and Carmen
All sorts of colors if you catch my meaning
In short
Call me lemony snicker or the chesire cat
I talk of what is and allow you to draw conclusions
X knows he's a bridge otherwise the book would not show it, mayhaps not the full implications and meaning but you'll understand in time
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
See what I mean about him being the local cryptid of this thread?
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
(Mad cackling from nearby mirrors)
Indeed I am!
And I do so enjoy it (a mismatched grin of mirror glass is seen breifly before fading)
I see... Thank you, extraction team worker. You are the esteemed Calibius - Bina of this quest line. Excuse me for such a reaction, it's just... When you started talking and just started so far in the future, in the very essence of something, we haven't got to say it yet, it was... A bit bitter and confusing and a little scary. And a bit of my personal desire to "Be in the room where it happened." But... Thank you for being here. It's... a nice yet confusing society
And as an apology, if I accidentally offended you... Would you like me to draw something for you?
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
Thank you for the complement
No offense found but I can say I'm drawing much fun from this
So no apologies needed
And We wouldn't mind a drawing
Mayhaps what you think inner X looks like? Or whatever you wish, it isn't my place to tell an artist what to draw as much as it is the place of the engineer what a chef should cook
And please
Call me Kal, I think you've all earned that much from letting me have my fun
for someone as wise as you, Kal, you are surprisingly humble. Although this is not the only issue here. Your desire to remain unexplored, a reflection of your own, that other people managed to catch only the edge of their gaze ... I can understand this. And I desperately respect your desire to remain hidden behind the glitter and intertwining of words. I myself have a desire, which is a bit similar to yours, but completely different. I am rather attracted by the answer to the question, what other people can see in me. Who will they meet when they look into me... Will this stranger be like the way I imagine myself, or not.... I have always been fascinated by such ideas. As for the drawing. I understand your position of non-intervention. She's always nice... Except when she's not. So, soon I will try to send my inner X... And about the essence of what you are, maybe there are details that you are ready to share? and then I'll show what I was able to realize, and even if it's completely wrong, we can keep it as a cherished memory of those carefree days when everything was still calm and beautiful
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
For Me
Like I said
I'm merely the Stage Hand
The Prop maker, the 'extraction team' (winks) if I were to exist in the quest itself
Well let's just say the location will not be spoiled yet, but let's say it is the source of the pests
Once you get through the Cradle
You'll see what is meant but that is a far off occasion for now
And I can say this
I wouldn't mind seeing any of you in the other quests wily runs such as dungeon quest and familiar quest (yes they'll be updated no set script or schedule for good or ill), from you @Mercy to @Arkio, as well as @Nyarky
Questions and ideas are very appreciated
And who knows you might get that wish to see the room where it happens, no guarantees but who knows what the future has in store for you, me, wily, or anyone really
All about choices and their results much like this quest
Ps I ain't wise
I just think faster thus bumbling through the same mistakes faster (Crooked wry grin)
Like I said
I'm merely the Stage Hand
The Prop maker, the 'extraction team' (winks) if I were to exist in the quest itself
Well let's just say the location will not be spoiled yet, but let's say it is the source of the pests
Once you get through the Cradle
You'll see what is meant but that is a far off occasion for now
And I can say this
I wouldn't mind seeing any of you in the other quests wily runs such as dungeon quest and familiar quest (yes they'll be updated no set script or schedule for good or ill), from you @Mercy to @Arkio, as well as @Nyarky
Questions and ideas are very appreciated
And who knows you might get that wish to see the room where it happens, no guarantees but who knows what the future has in store for you, me, wily, or anyone really
All about choices and their results much like this quest
Ps I ain't wise
I just think faster thus bumbling through the same mistakes faster (Crooked wry grin)
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WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
When did this became a discussion on philosophy? I didn't know there were birds here.