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Between the Steppes and Deserts

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[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
Okay, to make a more extensive argument for ending the war, here's what we know:
  1. The enemy fields horse archers and in great number, fighting on the steppe. We use predominantly levies and heavy infantry with a small heavily-armoured cavalry elite, in other words a pair of very different military systems. Either part may or may not have a few cannon or handcannon but from @Academia Nut's comments, I doubt it. The thing is that they cannot advance into the hills, because we will destroy them but we cannot advance into the steppe because to be frank we cannot catch them, nor can we challenge them on the horse, in other words, that's simply not happening.
  2. We have just begun a proper system of clerical assaying and judiciary, this is the first proper step to something resembling a real state. This sort of system needs stability and cash injection to work properly and to be frank, we are not equipped to give it either when both are funneled into warfare. It will disappoint the nobility, but they are currently generally favourable of us, so we can afford a few losses (and note, this isn't really a real loss, just a failure to strike back for our father in law). This will give us the time and effort available to make the clerical judiciary established and powerful, which we will further need for growing our state and one day acquiring a real standing army, something I suspect we can actually begin work on very soon if I have judged @Academia Nut's hinting at the state (heh) of our state in the updates right.
  3. Settling our father in law's clan and people into our lands is actually advantageous, because higher population density correlates directly with higher amounts of state control and thus peopling the land with people we know that we put there allows us to further tax and use the resources of those lands. Even if they keep their nomadic lifestyle, they give us a useful reserve of nomadic cavalry that we can draw upon and use in our wars with other successor Shahdoms and might even end up becoming something akin to one of Danyal's successors' Qizilbash, which will be extremely useful!

The clerical judiciary is the first step towards establishing the Black Army, except its Iranian equivalent, so we want to foster and expand it as much as possible, those investments will pay off in dividends, people!
 
All right, I'm convinced. Changing vote.


[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)

Yeah, "keep going and hope they fuck up" is not the sort of decision you make unless the cost of defeat is absolutely unacceptable.
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
Ooooh, a fairly new Academia Nut quest! Nice! Looks fun so far. I don't have a strong enough grasp of the politics yet to have an opinion on the current war situation, so I'm gonna wait until a future update before voting, but I just wanted to say hi, if nothing else.
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)

If we were fighting anything but nomands I would say keep going because reputation is important, but nomands don't have any long term memory.
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)

When your most plausible path to victory is hoping that your enemy all wake up one morning and then take a nasty fall down the stairs, despite living on a flat plain, you know it's time to seek other options.

As @ManusDomini so aptly put it, we are currently in the process of "teching up our admin so we can invent gunpowder and canals", so some peace and stability would be a good thing.
 
[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
So the real question is whether we'll ever get that dam built. :V

Also, vote tax:

[X] End the war (-1 Prestige, noble opinion degrades, Odanu alliance dissolved by absorption of clan, war ends)
 
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