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Being the Holy Grail is Suffering... [Worm/FSN Quest]

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Ksense said:
[X] Lancer (Romulus)

ROMA: "ROMA!"
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Is that the Reality Marble of Romulus? Because it would totally fit for him to have one.

Edit: Except that now that I think of it, wouldn´t the world already be his Reality Marble since he enforced his Rome on it?
 
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BrokenAscendent said:
What are you trying to say with this analogy?
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That the PtV was built on the foundation of Mushasi's skill.

Edited for more detail: a house is more than it's foundation, the complications upon it are what we think of as a "house". In much the same way I could see the Entities coping Mus's skill and building upon it to create the Path to Victory.
 
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BrokenAscendent said:
What are you trying to say with this analogy?
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I think what he is trying to get at is that one may somehow be built off the other. For example, both would require the power to find whatever route is needed for success, but one gives steps on that route while the other makes the body follow those steps without needing to think about it.

I think. I honestly have no clue. I just have a five minute break right now and felt like contributing where I have no business contributing. Haha

EDIT: Assassin'd
 
i think PtV was created independedly? Contessa's is, according to wiki, linked to Abaddon (from his entry), yet Zion has his own PtV abillity.
 
This may just be my personal dislike of the guy showing, but I don't feel like Romulus adds anything to this War. I believe that Grue once said that a good Grail War is set up so that every aspect of a Servant's fluff gets used or countered in a believable manner.

Romulus has very few plot threads in this scenario, and those that he does have can be resolved depressingly quickly. Kintoki, on the other hand, has several long ones in the form of the ABB and the reaction one can expect to happen from the heir to the E88 summoning a famous Japanese figure as his Servant. In addition, Roma likely won't have any special interactions with any of the other Servants, save Iskandar, Nero, or Caesar, should they appear, while Kintoki is much less limited in terms of his potential interactions.
 
Firebird Zoom said:
Romulus has very few plot threads in this scenario, and those that he does have can be resolved depressingly quickly.
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Roma is going to push Theo to conquer the entire city. He's also going to push him to conquer the E88 and rebuilt it for the Roman agenda. He's also going to be the best dad Theo ever had.

And that's not everything!

But basically, I think your jumping the gun about Mr. Rome not having a lot of plot threads and saying that they can resolved depressingly quickly.

Though I love how no one is picking Seigfried. Just goes to show how boring his character is unless you tweek it by forcing him into the body of a human, send him to skyrim and have him get drunk with good old Sam.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
Roma is going to push Theo to conquer the entire city. He's also going to push him to conquer the E88 and rebuilt it for the Roman agenda. He's also going to be the best dad Theo ever had.
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I actually was thinking of those, but, he just doesn't really mesh well with the others already summoned. What we should be thinking at this point isn't "What would be cool?" but "How would this guy interact with the others?"

Overall, Kintoki is the more interesting of the two.
 
Firebird Zoom said:
I actually was thinking of those, but, he just doesn't really mesh well with the others already summoned. What we should be thinking at this point isn't "What would be cool?" but "How would this guy interact with the others?"

Overall, Kintoki is the more interesting of the two.
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They don't need to mesh or make it even between Masters. Part of the reasons we went for Theo is to finally get a 'villain' master since if all masters where Heroes, there will be no conflict, that's why we are making it fair for both the Heroes and Villains by giving both Servants. We don't really care how much a Servant is OP or not, IC too.
If you really want it to be fair, we can summon a Saber for the next master.
 
Terran Imperium said:
They don't need to mesh or make it even between Masters. Part of the reasons we went for Theo is to finally get a 'villain' master since if all masters where Heroes, there will be no conflict, that's why we are making it fair for both the Heroes and Villains by giving both Servants. We don't really care how much a Servant is OP or not, IC too.
If you really want it to be fair, we can summon a Saber for the next master.
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Pretty much this. While Theo may not be villainous he is almost inevitability going to create conflict because Romulus will not allow something to exists that is not ROME. How such a thing will affect his personality is no doubt going to be interesting.
 
I don't see Kintoki having more interesting interactions that Roma dude though. Probably because I don't know Kintoki enough but Roma has sheer presence on his side. With enough charisma to build an empire and flawless logic.

And meshing well?

From my understanding Kintoki is a straight up hero. Theo on the other hand was willing to grab a 12 year old girl and use her as a hostage to save his own ass in order to survive.

That does not mesh well.
 
I'm eating, but I want to interject in regards to the character of the Servants presented here.

Firstly, Siegfried. Yes, his personality is lackluster, to say the least. He feels like Shirou without the fun bits. Still, I do think that Apocrypha did him a huge disservice.

Siegfried works really well as a tragic character. He is someone who wanted to please everyone, and given his status he had a lot of people to please. And in his attempt to do this he ended up pissing people off. To appease those people he chose to die. That is something that is much more interesting to explore than the whole "I want you to live by your own will", thing. And the whole thing about him thinking he would have been happier had he been poor, that he would have been able to take pride in what he did had he not had so many expectations heaped on him seemed like it should have been a major point of contention between himself and Sieg considering the Homunculus' origins. Basically, he could have some interesting interactions with the world, even if he isn't as much of a bomb as some other Servants.

Kintoki is a ham, and that has its own appeal. He also creates an interesting dynamic between both the E88 and the ABB. No one has really said anything negative, so I will, though. Unlike Romulus, whose greatest regret is his brother's death, and Siegfried, whose greatest regret was that he was born a prince, Kintoki doesn't really have a clear wish like that, which could be a problem.

Romulus will definitely push Theo into conflict with a lot of people. The E88 is obvious, and the heroes likely wouldn't take Kindly to Theo conquering and killing. It can be argued that, right now, Romulus wouldn't have a lot to connect with Theo over besides CONQUEST. However, keep in mind that Theo will need to wrestle with the fact that he will be going against his father. Even if he knows that Kaiser's death would be a good thing, that won't make it any less hard. Romulus, with all his experience, especially with his murder of his brother, could help him with that. He could help Theo grieve and move past that grief so he can continue to create his own empire. That is one part of their possible dynamic that I haven't noticed anyone bring up.

Love the discussion guys! Always my favorite part of lurking around here XD
 
Basically, Siegfried is the favorite to win

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Adhoc vote count started by FacelessDoll on Feb 23, 2018 at 2:25 PM, finished with 143 posts and 73 votes.
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I'm saddend by the lack of Moedred, however I accept that the QM is supreme here and throw my lot in with ROMA.
Because based on what I read, Kaiser is part of the "Not Roma" that Romulus is gonna get Theo to conquer. As long as Kaiser's day is ruined, I'm happy. Besides I feel like Romulus is plenty amenable to causing a GLORIOUS CLUSTERFUCK! He gives me Iskandar vibes XD. He sees a battle going on and has to join in. Could be wrong, never played F/GO.

[X] Lancer (Romulus)

Edit: QM's explanations just cemented my vote. Romulus creates the most conflict and isn't the straight up heroic path. Also Rome-dad for Theo. He has all my yes. FOR ROMA!
 
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Ah, poor Sieg. I'm gonna be honest and say that Romulus isn't my favorite. Characters with a singular obsession that they just talk about all the time kind of annoy me. However, Kintoki doesn't really add much to this on his lonesome, besides the glorious HAM. I'm gonna be honest and say i would love to see Siegfreid in here, but I take what I can get. Besides, I trust in Faceless to make Romulus interesting, I haven't been disappointed so far.

Also, you know what I wanna see? Asterios up in this crapshoot. Not for Theo, obviously, but that dude is hands down my favorite Beserker. Just throwing that out there.

[X] Lancer (Romulus)
 
Hey guys what if we tell Danny about while Grail vessel dies thing and give him a servant? He is gonna go hardball instantly when he realizes all the other masters are out for the wish.
 
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