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Ask the CC Anything!

What is Love?

  • A curious thing.

    Votes: 80 11.5%

  • Baby don't hurt me.

    Votes: 300 43.2%

  • The absurd acts of chemicals.

    Votes: 68 9.8%

  • A bottle of gin.

    Votes: 22 3.2%

  • Near, far, wherever you are.

    Votes: 48 6.9%

  • A heatwave.

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • In the crossfire.

    Votes: 17 2.4%

  • The power source of the Hadoken.

    Votes: 153 22.0%
  • Total voters
    694
Private Lee O'Malley

Private Lee O'Malley

Easygoing Egoist
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First question: Are there any plans to revamp Art and Music, and can you give us any details if there are?



(I considered making a shitpost, but on consideration it would not be good for setting the tone)
 
Arcus said:
First question: Are there any plans to revamp Art and Music, and can you give us any details if there are?



(I considered making a shitpost, but on consideration it would not be good for setting the tone)
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Revamp as in?

Hm, that topic did come up months back but then it kinda went nowhere. Iunno, Cetash said something about it then I forgot. That's all just to say "Probably not. If there is, the higher ups know but it's on the backburner for them as well."

However, I would like to hear your suggestion on how it should be revamped, whatever that entails.

EDIT: Oh right, Cetash was talking about revamping Hist/Milt, Art wasn't the focus of that discussion. My b.
 
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Arcus said:
First question: Are there any plans to revamp Art and Music, and can you give us any details if there are?
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Nothing as far as I know.

What kind of revamps do you think are needed?


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My experience with the subforum is to post in my art thread every few months, get 3 likes, and that's it.

I figured it was just a sleepy corner rather than one with active problems. (apart from the lack of traffic)
 
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I'd personally love the idea of having a forum based art class. Not sure that's the kind of "revamp" you want, but I'd say it definitely would revitalize interest in the arts.

A lot of folks, like myself, think they suck shit at art but art ain't all too hard. It's like reading, once you know how to read you can go basically anywhere from that point on whether you choose to read sci-fi or romance novels. It's all up to you at that point. At least, that's what I read from "Drawing on the Right Side of the Mind." which is a great art book for those who want to learn the basics of art.

Hell, I'd gladly teach that class if anyone were up for it. More artists lending people a hand by sharing their skills (At the very least articulating how they do their drawings/comics/sculptures/whatever.) would be nice to see so that everyone can learn a thing or two about the arts. Art contests would be fun, so would Pictionary games.
 
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Private Lee O'Malley said:
I'd personally love the idea of having a forum based art class. Not sure that's the kind of "revamp" you want, but I'd say it definitely would revitalize interest in the arts.
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I like the idea of building more of an SV artist community, but I dunno how, and I'm skeptical about structuring it as classes.

Teaching art well is hard. There's a reason online tutors tend to charge money.
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A lot of folks, like myself, think they suck shit at art but art ain't all too hard.
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I guess it depends on the person. Some people take to it like a fish to water, but I've been drawing regularly for 20 years and I still suck.
 
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I have never had a council ever asked me about the current going-ons with SV.

Like ever.

Even the council users I semi-interact with never do that.

Users are shy creatures afraid of the staff for no real or fiction reasons and the council has done nothing to engage the community. The fact it took SV this long to have a "Ask CC anything!" is evidence of the lack of outreach.
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Well, like, what is there to talk about?

I mean me, personally, would just go "Yeah N&P is on fire what's new? *checks Screencaps thread* Yo check this sick anime OP about triangles!" SV doesn't really change all that much so talking about it would soon get redundant. Like, Politics are going to yell about Trump, Questers gonna waifu everything that they haven't blown up yet, Versus Debates is a shambling corpse I think, no idea about Hist/Milt, Fiction Discussion is talking about whatever's new on the telly, and Art's alright I guess.

Basically there's nothing much to talk about Daily Life of Velociteers and when there is something to talk about (Squishy Squishy-ing/Staff mishaps.) we're not allowed to talk about it. Not ever since that one time after Squishy Squishied and the Staff were frantically trying to quell the fire that left users confused as to what the answer actually was since they all varied from Staff member to Staff member. So it's semi-official policy to shut up and wait for the higher ups to formulate a concrete message to the users.

Then again I guess asking around once in a while what y'all think about SV would be a good thing. Like a semi-monthly "SV Evaluation" where we can discuss what was good, what wasn't, and how we can fix 'em. Or set up a Discord chat so that you can talk to us/the Staff about stuff. Just tossing out suggestions really.

@Ralson TBF all artists think their art is shit. :V Anyways the point of my (imaginary) class isn't to "git gud" but rather set them on the path of "gitting gud." Again, teaching folks how to read, not getting them to understand the subtle nuances of *insert whatever book here.* Anyways I didn't think everyone would be down for the whole class idea and that's totally fine. I think contests or a monthly art gallery of sorts where art pieces are shown off wouldn't be such a bad idea.
 
gib links to the staff porn stash or i will messily shit all over everything you love
 
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So, what would you say you do here?
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Jury duty. Provide feedback on whatever the Staff wants at the time. (There was a heated argument about why curves are superior to straight edges for interior design. The topics vary wildly.) We are supposed to be the mediators between users and Staff but as you can see, we aren't doing a very good job at that. Hopefully this will be the first to remedying it.

If you're asking what we're doing here in this thread specificially, well we're here to answer questions about SV and it's policies n' other stuff. General AMA things. Also to receieve and respond to your feedback, of course.
 
There hasn't been a tribunal to look at in a long while, what gives? How am I to stay sympathetic to the staff without seeing what kind of shit they have to deal with?
 
Are you the Petrograd Soviet, Constitutional Assembly, Provisional Government, or Supreme Soviet?

Basically, how much influence do you think you have, and how well do you think you do your jobs?
 
Hykal94 said:
Gee Idk Councilor, ain't that your job to reach out to us normal users?

Anyway next week I'm probably gonna voice my dissatisfaction to you and other councilors I trust, what with finals and all. See if it goes anywhere, though I doubt it considering how Squishy is, well Squishy.
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I don't know about everyone else (Though I feel that the whole confidentiality thing is a major strain in that regard.) but for me, again, I'm not sure what exactly to ask nor how to go about it. Do I just make threads? Mass PM a random group of people? How should I respond to them? The Staff and the CC (well mostly Whiskey really.) consider me bit of a gun jumper and that I should tone it back so I'm rather cautious about starting things. However, I'd like to change that, as late as it is, so feel free to air your dissatisifactions here.

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There hasn't been a tribunal to look at in a long while, what gives? How am I to stay sympathetic to the staff without seeing what kind of shit they have to deal with?
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"Probably because the council consistently votes to uphold, or effectively uphold, so you're putting in a lot of effort and subjecting yourself to a round of public criticism where you're unable to defend yourself, probably for no benefit."
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Somewhere along those lines. Usually, those who appeal got in trouble for good reasons and so the punishment sticks, rarely is it because of the mod making a mistake. (That does happen though.) So we don't end up certing a lot of appeals because we agree with the Staff directive most of the time. It's only when they push it to Tribunal, there's disagreement among the CC and they cert it, or the Staff ask us to take it because it's something that would alter the atmosphere of SV.

But to address the elephant in the room, I suppose some of it could chalk up to "Why bother." considering how the Staff can elect to completely ignore the CC's decision and do their own thing. Admittedly CC is merely an advisory board, not an actual jury so it makes sense that the Staff can overrule us. However (Speaking in vague terms here since I actually don't know if that's how my fellow colleagues feel.) it is a bit disheartening to argue about a case (Especially if it succeeds.) only for all that effort to be tossed into the trash due to staff directive. I ain't saying that's the main reason why, but an answer that's different from the nearly standard boilerplate message of why CC don't cert.

Oh and to answer your other question, uhh...good point. Guess since it's more of an "informal' thing since they let me do it, I don't think they actually planned for this thread to come about so quickly. So probably will happen in a few hours/a day or so.

@Lazer Raptor

EXCUSE YOU THIS IS AN AMERICAN FORU- nah ahh...iunno what any of that means. Uhh, we're relatively low in terms of influence. More than a normal user as we can speak directly to the Staff daily and they come to us to ask for guidance but there's nothing more we can do. We can't actually force them to do anything if that's what you're wondering.
 
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Private Lee O'Malley said:
Do I just make threads? Mass PM a random group of people? How should I respond to them?
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Look PLOM, people know you. They like you, they trust you, some like me consider you a friend. If I were you, I'd just PM random users I know and just ask what their thoughts are on things.

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However, I'd like to change that, as late as it is, so feel free to air your dissatisifactions here.
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Yeah, and get jumped by staff? No thanks.
 
Private Lee O'Malley said:
Somewhere along those lines. Usually, those who appeal got in trouble for good reasons and so the punishment sticks, rarely is it because of the mod making a mistake. (That does happen though.) So we don't end up certing a lot of appeals because we agree with the Staff directive most of the time. It's only when they push it to Tribunal, there's disagreement among the CC and they cert it, or the Staff ask us to take it because it's something that would alter the atmosphere of SV.
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So the staff does not feel that knowing how councilors work, or that they work at all is an okay scenario? That council being elected on popularity and lulz is fine, and no extra show of skill should influence the votes?

There has been many a doubt that council is actually useful ever since squishy just ignored the council vote, but isn't this just pushing to make that view incredibly widespread?
 
Hykal94 said:
Look PLOM, people know you. They like you, they trust you, some like me consider you a friend. If I were you, I'd just PM random users I know and just ask what their thoughts are on things.



Yeah, and get jumped by staff? No thanks.
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Ahh but that's so awkward though! I feel like I would be a bother to folks and I don't want that. plus it's kinda awkward if your friend that didn't talk to you for months suddenly comes up to you to ask you about a survey about politics of all things. I mean, I guess we can have an opt in option like "Yes I would like to receieve random inquiries from time to time about the affairs of SV."

Fair enough, the CC, or at least, me, is open season tho. (If you do got something too spicy for the Staff, then sure ask us in the PMs. I would make a Discord chat but I'm not sure if the Staff would approve of having th-...hmm hold on there.)
 
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    we'll just be over there Alright, new thread policy since people are apparently spooked about getting jumped on by staff ninja. Staff will not post in this thread unless there is a rule violation. This is the Community Council Thread and they should be allowed to answer questions without staff answering it for them.
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    You heard him, folks. Pay no attention to the staff ninjas lurking in the background.

    If they wanted you dead, you'd never see it coming anyway.
     
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    What's the point in not letting the plaintiffs and staff in an appeal respond to councillor accusations thrown against them, however wild, escalatory, or tangential to the actual appeal they might be?

    To a degree I understand wanting to keep tribunal deliberations to the tribunal, however the tribunal, it seems, is fond of adding plenty of chafe of its own, so it is difficult to see how much worse the plaintiffs and staff could make it.
     
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