A Song of Sovngarde (Skyrim/ASOIAF)

There are more similarities between Christianity and Islam than these two but they still hate the shit out of each other.

That's a pretty terrible comparison. The Nords and the Faith don't have a fraction of the violent history that those two religions do (In regards to each other).

Their similarities aren't the only reason the Nords and the Faith have a relatively decent relationship, it's merely the reason I chose to share.
 
Firstly great setting-merging crossover, those are the hardest to pull off.

Secondly a question: are vampires with a gift for magic more powerful (perhaps being able to avoid the Ruler of Three) due to practicing magic for centuries?
 
Firstly great setting-merging crossover, those are the hardest to pull off.

Secondly a question: are vampires with a gift for magic more powerful (perhaps being able to avoid the Ruler of Three) due to practicing magic for centuries?

There are no vampires with a gift for magic; no witch of Glenmoril has ever become a vampire. There aren't very many Vampires, either. Three Clans, if you will, spread across Westeros.

However, those that seek freedom from a wretched afterlife need only give themselves to the Dread Father.
 
Hilda I
Hilda

The cold wind needled Hilda's bare arms, like a thousand icy pinpricks. She inhaled the frigid air until her lungs burned, closed her eyes, and felt tears trickle slowly down her cheeks. I shouldn't cry, she thought. Tears are useless.

And yet, the tears still came, burning cold trails down her face, one after the other, as if marching solemnly to a dreadful death.

To the west, a hundred coves and inlets, the rocky outcroppings blanketed by grey-green moss, cradled the churning western sea that stretched endlessly beyond the horizon. Jagged mountains rose in the northeast, beyond the Wolfswood, fading from grey to white as they climbed past the Wall into the frozen far north. Surrounded by ancient spruce, ironwood, and soldier pines, shrouded in thick mist, eyes closed, Hilda saw neither the sea nor the mountains nor the sky, but she could feel them, hear them, as surely as she could feel the wool of her gown, the leather of her breeches, hear her heart beating in her chest.

Thump-thump. Thump-thump. Thump-thump.

Death has claimed one of your blood, the sea had whispered to her the week before, as she stood upon the beach and watched the dark waves break green and white against the outcroppings. And death comes for you, the mountains had rumbled. The sky only ever told her to rejoice, even when black and angry. In each of them she saw Kyne, the mother of all Nords, master of all elements. She could feel the goddess reaching into her soul, speaking directly into her heart.

Death comes for you, she heard again. Rejoice.

The morning was cold and crisp, the wind biting, the sky grey and somber. Hilda's breath misted in the air, and as she listened for new omens, as the crows sang their mournful song, and the waves churned, more tears marched down her cheeks. She wept for her the loss of her lord grandfather, whose death the sea had foretold. His bones and belongings had arrived with the dawn, ferried across the Narrow Sea by her cousin and Thane, Thorfinn Deathbrand.

But that was not all she wept for.

Her cousin, Gunnar, one of her housecarls, who had returned west with Thorfinn, told her that her grandfather had killed a hundred men before one of them put a sword through his belly. He said that Old Vjorn had shouted them to death even as his innards seeped out of him, crushed them beneath the weight of his mace and the might of his thu'um. Gunnar's twin and her second housecarl, Gunther, said that Vjorn was drunk on mead and still buried in a woman when the battle came, tit in one hand, mace in the other.

Hilda couldn't be sure which of her housecarls was telling the truth, if either of them were, knowing the sort of man her grandfather was, and the sort of men they were, given to grand boasts and fanciful tales. All she knew for certain was that her grandfather was dead, had known it since the sea warned her. He sups in the halls of Sovngarde now, she thought solemnly, as the wind twisted about her bare feet, curling around her toes, chilling them, sending her gown aflutter. Sovngarde was home to all Nords who died valiantly; the castle-city she ruled had been named for it.

That's why he went east, she told herself. So that he might achieve glory and spend eternity with our fallen kin in Shor's hall. Hilda had been sad, at first, when Thorfinn brought his bones to her, but now, in the forest, as she cried beneath the gray sky, blonde tresses wisping in the wind, her sadness and frustration turned to anger, for now she had to bear the weight of the dead, and the living, all alone.

She was the Keeper of Sovngarde, the Dovahkiin, chosen of Shor and his wife Kyne, the Hero-God Ysmir made flesh. She had assumed all the titles when her grandfather went east, seven years hence when she was but a girl of eleven, but they had shared the responsibility, back then. Now, all that weight, all those expectations and beliefs, were as anvils chained to her limbs and neck, strangling her, drowning her beneath haunted, black seas.

Damn him, she thought, and took another deep breath. She scented pine in the air, felt cool earth beneath her feet. The wind rose to a piercing whistle, swept green-gold spruce and pine needles from their branches, sent them fluttering to the forest floor. Beneath the wind, a queer sound reached her ears, a low rumble like quaking stone, rising up out of the shadows. For a moment her breath stopped, mind leaping to the tales she had heard shared amongst her people, of draugr and daedra. They're dead and gone, she told herself, heart quickening. Or far away besides, beyond sea and ice.

She opened her eyes, finally, and looked out into the forest. The mist stretched and coiled through the woods like ghostly fingers. Glowing yellow eyes stared at her through the fog, dozens of glittering topaz gems that shined as bright and golden as the moon. She recognized them immediately.

Gods damned wolves. Can I get no peace? There were half a dozen that she could see; all of Jorrvaskr, no doubt. Even wolves born outside the clan took up residence in their mountain holdfasts. The small pack prowled the gauzy shadows, utterly silent as they encircled her, except for the rumbling growls, low and constant.

Hilda grabbed her sword, the leather grip cold and stiff in her palm. Her grandfather had had the sword commissioned for her shortly before her thirteenth year, after her woman's blood came. It was a truly beautiful sword, with a hand and a half hilt, twin blood grooves running the length of the blue steel. The black gem set in its pommel didn't shine so much as it absorbed light, a dark abyss fashioned into a jewel.

I have another sword now, she thought. My grandfather's sword, the legendary Miraak, the blade of the first Dragonborn. Thorfinn had presented it to her, but she hadn't the heart to wield it just yet. It was still in her chambers, wrapped in a white lion's pelt, along with her grandfather's other spoils of war; great chests of gold and silver, jewelry and gems, diamonds, pearls, finery, tapestries, weapons, and half a hundred other things. Even a few women, little more than girls really, for all that they were her age or older, beautiful and weak in the way that pampered women were. And all with child. I would send them back east elsewise. Grandmother will not approve.

They would be her aunts and uncles, those children, and they would never truly know their father, save through her, until they died themselves. Her sadness crept back, slowly, and her lip began to tremble.

"Leave me to my sorrow," she commanded the wolves, seizing the annoyance their presence wrought, using it to stifle her sadness. At the sound of her voice, a stillness fell over the wolves; their breath rose to join the fog, mixing in the chill air. The largest of them, a great, broad-shouldered, copper furred she-wolf with long, slender, muscled limbs, crept closer.

"Leave," Hilda said again, scowling. "You need not know my wrath on this day." If her breath hitched, the wolves gave no indication that they had heard. She pulled her sword from its sheath, the weight of it in her hand as comforting as a mother's caress. "Hircine could always use more beasts for his hunts," she threatened. "Perhaps I should send you to him."

The she-wolf crept closer still, head bent low. Her shoulders reached as high as Hilda's chest, and her teeth were like curved daggers, sharp and gleaming. And yet Hilda showed no fear; she bared her teeth and raised her sword as if to swing, and the she-wolf, a killer of men and beasts alike, rolled to her back and let out a long keening whine.

Hilda dropped her sword arm and breathed out sharply, huffing. "Fine, Maela. You may stay. The rest of you leave. Now." Sulking, whining, snapping at one another's heels, the pack left her, fading into the mist like ghosts. She waited until the dark shapes were completely gone before she spoke. "Jarl Wulfgar sent you?" She watched the beast shift and shrink, fur shedding, bones snapping, melding, reshaping beneath the skin, claws melting into fingers. The sound was wretched, the sight even worse, but Hilda had seen the change hundreds of times. Thousands, even. She was used to it.

"No," answered Maela Jorrvaskr, when the change was done. Hilda was tall, but even she had to look up at Maela. She had strong, almost masculine features, but her lips were plump, and the curves of her tall, muscled body left no doubt as to her femininity. "I came of my own volition, as soon as I heard about Vjorn." Maela dipped her head in respect, then stepped closer to Hilda, the mist clinging to her naked form. Her thick red hair, seemingly braided with pine needles and bits of bark, hung down her back, and her pale skin was patterned with winding tattoos from her shoulders to her feet. "Have you-"

"No, not yet," Hilda said, already knowing what Maela was about to ask. "I would properly mourn his life before I seek him out in death. Even though I hardly knew him."

Maela frowned. "Your grandfather loved you more than you could ever know."

"Then why did he abandon me when I needed him most?" His wisdom, his sword. His name, and the history behind it. I need them all. Especially now.

Slowly, the sun began to peek out from the slate grey cover of clouds that dominated the sky, and a trickle of golden light spilled through the trees. "He did not abandon you, my lady," Maela protested. "He sups in Sovngarde now. His counsel is yours, until-"

"Until I walk the halls of Sovngarde myself. I know, Maela. I'm the Keeper, now. The only Keeper. I know. Even now I can feel him. He is sitting with the gods, with his kinsmen, with his ancestors, and he is happy."

"Then go and see him," Maela urged her. "There's no need to mourn him. Celebrate him instead, for the great life he lived and the glorious death he sought. Eternity is his now. Rejoice."

She does not understand, Hilda thought, even as her spine tingled at the reminder of Kyne's words to her. None of them do. Not her, not mother… Sovngarde was all her people seemed to care for, save for the wolves, who, upon death, were claimed by Hircine, Lord of the Hunt.

Nords lived and loved and died to reach Shor's Hall, to live amongst their ancestors and kinsmen, drinking and fighting their way through eternity. But life is more than death. Hilda wanted more than that. Needed more than that. She preferred the castle Sovngarde in the living realm, as opposed to the great hall of death that her seat had been named after.

"He is of little use to me in Sovngarde," she said. Her tears were gone now. "We live in the realm of men, not spirits. The northern and southron lords cannot reach him in Sovngarde. They respected him, respected his word, his sword-"

"His blood," said Maela. "You are of his blood."

"Aye, I am."

"Then why do you weep? I watched the Hagraven pull you from your mother's womb. I have known you since your first breath. Never once have I seen you cry."

Hilda pushed her thick golden braids over her shoulder and started to pace, back and forth, back and forth. Her grandfather had worn his hair like hers, braided and wrapped in strips of leather, in the Nordic tradition. It was another reminder of what she had lost, and what she yet stood to lose. "Magnus sent word from King's Landing," she began. "The king's Hand is dead, and the king himself rides north for Winterfell as we speak, presumably to appoint our liege as his new Hand." She felt a twinge of pain in her palms, and only just realized how tightly she was clenching her fists. "He means to take Wulfric hostage."

Wulfric Ysmir. Lord of Sovngarde. Her younger brother.

Maela loosed a rumbling growl, fingers lengthening into claws, teeth growing into fangs. "I won't allow it," she ground out, voice deep and guttural. "I'll kill him before he puts a hand on that boy. I'll rip out his heart and feast on his fat, kingly flesh."

The decision isn't yours to make. "You won't ask why he wants Wulfric as a hostage?"

Maela shook her head. "It doesn't matter. He can't have him. Right?"

Hilda wished it were that easy. "Thorunn wed Daenarys Targaryen," she said. "The Mad King's daughter. Thorfinn believes that he has pledged his men to help Viserys Targaryen claim his birthright, the very throne that Robert Baratheon sits. A throne that we helped sit him on."

Maela dropped her head. "Aye, I know, I was there. I fought alongside your father. Stood with him, when he died."

Hilda smiled. Her mother had told her the story dozens of times, of how her father had fallen against the white knight, Ser Barristan the Bold, on the banks of the Ruby Ford. "And I thank you for that. I always have and I always will." She leaned against a crooked ironwood, the bark still damp with morning frost, and her smiled turned melancholic. "Thorunn has warred his entire life. He was weaned on war; it is all he has ever known or desired. He yearns for it as a hungry babe yearns for his mother's milk." She looked down at her hands, as if she might find some answer in the lines of her palms. "I imagine he's somewhere fighting now; a pitched battle against sellswords, a tavern brawl, perhaps even in one of the slavers' arenas."

Maela almost snarled. "And knowing the sort of man Thorunn is, you still mean to send Wulfric south. To let him be taken."

Hilda sighed. "For now. I can do little else."

Maela was silent for a very long while. "And what of Thorunn?" she asked finally, almost painfully. Thorunn, like her, was of Clan Jorrvaskr, though he had spent most of his life in the far east. They were blood kin, and no Nord would ever wish ill on their own blood. And yet, she asked, "Will you perform the Sacrament?"

Hilda was reluctant to use the Black Hand against her own people, but she could not ignore the danger Thorunn represented. "If no other option presents itself," she admitted.

"You'll find another way. You're a clever girl, and tenacious. You've your mother's wit."

"Thorunn cares nothing for my wit. He only respects strength."

"Aye, he does. But you have that too."

"Only just. My grandfather could have stopped him. Curbed his stupidity, or his lust, whichever led him to wed the Targaryen girl. King Robert trusted my grandfather. Loved him. Even if Vjorn couldn't have stopped Thorunn, he could have dissuaded the king from taking my brother, reassured him, something. King Robert has neither trust nor love for me, for all that my father died for him. If Thorunn makes an attempt for the throne my brother will die." She looked towards the heavens; only slivers of the sky were visible through the canopy. "Now do you see how my grandfather abandoned me? Do you see why I weep? He couldn't have died at a worse time."

"If King Robert kills Wulfric, he and his won't be long for this world," Maela promised. "Every Nord would take up arms, old and young alike. We would burn this land to ash."

Some of it, Hilda thought. But not all. Westeros is too large. "You asked why I weep? I weep because I am afraid. Because I am angry, and frustrated, and alone. Because I don't know what to do, or where to turn. My people know war. We know death. But for the two centuries we've lived here, for the Houses we've married, and the seas we've explored, we are still strangers to this land. Outsiders, to all the lords below the Neck. A war with the crown would spell our demise. Thorunn must know this."

"He knows that with our full strength, and his full strength, we could carve ourselves a great portion of this land. The North, the Iron Islands, the West... all could be ours. Call upon the Blood Flower, and the rangers, and all the Nords who went south. You need not fear a war against the throne."

Hilda shook her head, annoyed at Maela's insistence on battle. "I would rather stop war, not encourage it."

Maela scoffed. "We are Nords. We aren't meant to stop wars. We are meant to end them."

Hilda said nothing to that, standing still for several breaths before she turned away to start the long, familiar trek back to Sovngarde. The trail seemed to sprout up out of the ancient forest, twisting for a little over a mile through dense woods and sparse, wet meadows, out into the misty, moss covered bog, where the trailed died and the road began. Maela shifted back to her wolf form and followed behind her, padding silently through the undergrowth. Hilda heard the other wolves return, heard their yips and snarls, but they kept to the trees; she was equally irked and touched by their devotion and discretion. The bog soil was moist and spongy; she had to walk quickly and lightly lest she sink into the muck, until she reached the solid road. She saw what looked like moose tracks cutting across the trail. Two of the wolves stopped to sniff at the tracks, then took off deeper into the woods.

The road was wide, pitched in places and cobbled in others, with ditches dug along the sides for rainwater, markers for distance, and bridges that arced over the more treacherous stretches of the bogs. The road was busy too, as traders and travelers made their way from Sovngarde to Winterfell and beyond. It stretched east for over a hundred leagues, dotted here and there with small villages and hamlets, cutting through the Wolfswood and all the way to Winterfell, with several branches: one curved down through Torrhen's Square, around Salt lake, and on to Barrowton through the hills, and another wound down to the Stony Shore and the lands of House Blackbriar, across the Rillwater and through the rills to the seat of House Ryswell.

She wondered, as she walked, Maela trotting behind her, if her grandmother might want to visit her brother and nephews at the Rills, and if her mother would return now from Dawnfort, in the far North. Wulfric would want to see her, she knew. No doubt he had heard by now what the king had demanded of him. The Hrothgar would have told him at the first opportunity.

Heavily laden wagons rumbled up and down the road, a couple pulled by upwards of twenty horses, passing every half hour or so. Traders and merchants traveled absent guards through New Skyrim, for even before the roads had been built, Hilda's five times great grandfather, Thorvard the Mighty - who wed Sarra Stark and sired Helga the Heavenly, the Axe-maiden and third Dovahkiin to rule Sovngarde - had tasked his warriors with regularly patrolling the lands as far east as the western fork of the White Knife.

The drivers, as she came upon them, called out blessings and prayers, for her, her father, and her grandfather, and forced gifts upon her, as it was considered a bad omen amongst Nords, traders and merchants especially, to not share their goods with the Dovahkiin whenever possible. It was considered an even worse omen for the Dovahkiin to reject them.

She received a lovely tan mare from the first merchant, a tall, wrinkled woman with stark white hair named Agatha who refused to let her walk barefoot all the way to Sovngarde and berated Maela for not demanding Hilda ride her. "Shor's beard!" she had exclaimed upon recognizing Hilda. "Dovahjud, you mustn't ruin those feet of yours on this hard earth! And you, wolf! What use are you, eh? A shame to the Jorrvaskr name! Lord Markus should have you shaved. Take one of my horses, Dovahjud, please; I would be honored for you to ride her."

The second merchant gave her a beautiful shadowskin cloak, a deep black that was slashed with white; he was a ranger too, by the faces of Kyne woven into his garments, and he scolded her for being out in the cold with little more than a sleeping gown. "We Nords were born of the ice, it is true," he had said, his beard so thick that Hilda couldn't see his mouth move, "but that is no excuse to be out in your undergarments, Dovahkiin!"

The third merchant, another woman, heavy-set and almost as tall as Maela, gave her a wool gown and a wineskin; the fourth, a man in fox and ferret furs, cooked her a much needed meal of grilled leeks and cabbage, mutton, fried potatoes, and shrimp paste on hard bread, washed down with honeyed mead. The fifth gave her a silver brooch to fasten her cloak, and a ring with a beautifully cut garnet; the sixth, who rode with her two young sons, gave her a pair of sturdy boots to better spur her horse, but only after cleaning her feet and making her a rasher of whale bacon. She thanked each of them, genuinely, prayed with them and for them, ate with the one, blessed the woman's sons, and all the while the sun continued its slow journey through the northern skies.

With the horse beneath her, who she decided to call Qonos, Lightning strike in the common tongue, she made much better time back to the castle-city, and Maela seemed to enjoy the opportunity to run.

A few of the travelers Hilda came across weren't Nords, and even she could smell their fear when they looked upon Maela, who, on four legs, looked like nothing so much as a direwolf with the musculature of a bear.

And then, there it was, beyond the wetlands, half hidden in the heavy fog: Sovngarde, the seat of House Ysmir. The castle itself had been built on the southern arm of Sea Dragon Point, atop ancient First Men ruins. The city around it sprawled across a vast tract of land, in the center of which was a high hill crested by seven ancient weirwoods, left untouched after the Carving.

The Nords called it "Seventree Hill"; back during the reign of Ragnar Redbeard, a great hero and the son of the first Dovahkiin to rule, carpenters had carved the Nordic Gods into the bone white boles above the solemn faces of the northern Gods, only to watch them weep blood.

Thinking them some strange, northern magic, Ragnar had wanted the trees burned out root and stem, but a Northman showed him that the blood was only sap, and the wood was valuable, for it never rotted. After learning this, Ragnar cut down all but seven of the trees, and used the wood to fashion rafters, furniture, and weapons. His seven foot longbow still hung in Sovngarde's great hall, beneath rafters fashioned from the same trees.

Massive walls of slate grey stone as tall as old spruce trees rose out of the earth and stretched for a mile in either direction, with towers that were spaced every few hundred or so yards. Hilda smiled as the city came into view, for she loved her people as much as they loved her, despite the burden of her responsibilities. The din of the city was as a siren's song, calming her nerves and settling her thoughts so much that she smiled widely, almost overcome.

She knew, suddenly, exactly what she would do, how she would placate the king, how she would curb Thorunn's aggression. She heard wrens and warblers chirping almost frantically, and Maela, sensing her changed mood, loped closer and yipped at her like some wet-behind-the-ears pup. Beneath the midday sun, the city seemed to glow, and even Qonos was unbothered by the massive wolf trotting at her side.

The outer wall branched out from the barbican, with its turreted corners and dragon's head crenellations; behind the stout structure was the city, whose tallest towers and buildings seemed as if to disappear into the heavens, standing proudly above a second inner wall that was even taller than the first, crested in black iron, black dragon banners flying high above the conical spires, roiling in the wind.

The portcullis, so wide that fifty horseman abreast could comfortably ride through, was wrought from latticed steel, and monstrous moats had been dug around both the outer and inner city walls, each moat several dozen feet deep and wide. Hilda saw otters swimming in the outer moat as she crossed the black oak bridge into the barbican, knifing through the dark waters. There was a loud splash; she looked back and saw one of Maela's wolves frolicking in the water, chasing after otters.

Sovngarde, she had heard spoken, was the grandest castle in all of the north, grander even then Harrenhal, some whispered, for the great builders who had sculpted the castle had put their souls into the stone and made it living, to be shaped as easily as clay, and giants and mammoths had set the living stone, stacked its mountainous walls and dizzying towers. It stretched across several thousand acres; if not the grandest castle, Hilda thought, it was certainly the grandest city. According to the many travelers who visited Sovngarde, only the capital, King's Landing, and Oldtown were more populous.

The citizens and soldiers milling about at the gate all bowed as she passed, giving blessings, condolences, and one of them asked if she might see fit to take a message to his dead kinsmen.

"Write down your message," she told him, and all the rest who might have been afraid to ask, already feeling the headache that would come when she ventured to Shor's Hall, "and the name of who you wish to receive it, and leave it for me at the temple."

The portcullis rattled and clanked its way shut; she continued across the second, longer bridge, and into Sovngarde, pushing Qonos into a gallop.

She had messages to send, and dead souls to visit.

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I like it. However, it somewhat breaks my SOD that Hilda's younger brother is the lord, not her. If the magic passes to Hilda, then her being the lord would make much more sense, IMO. What will happen when both Wulfric and Hilda both have children? Wouldn't the lands pass to Wulfric's children?
 
I like it. However, it somewhat breaks my SOD that Hilda's younger brother is the lord, not her. If the magic passes to Hilda, then her being the lord would make much more sense, IMO. What will happen when both Wulfric and Hilda both have children? Wouldn't the lands pass to Wulfric's children?

If you will notice a bit more carefully you will notice that the Nords consider Hilda their queen with her brother's lordship being a fiction for outsiders. For that matter the author outright stated this in a comment:

The majority of Planetos knows nothing about Nord magic, or the dovahkiin, etc, though there are rumors. (Take Hilda, for example. She is essentially their queen, but as far as Westeros knows, Wulfric is the Lord of Sovngarde)
 
I like it. However, it somewhat breaks my SOD that Hilda's younger brother is the lord, not her. If the magic passes to Hilda, then her being the lord would make much more sense, IMO. What will happen when both Wulfric and Hilda both have children? Wouldn't the lands pass to Wulfric's children?

If you will notice a bit more carefully you will notice that the Nords consider Hilda their queen with her brother's lordship being a fiction for outsiders. For that matter the author outright stated this in a comment:

Likewise, one of the merchants on the road called her Dovahjud, which means "Dragonqueen".

To clarify a little bit more, Nord Lordships pass to the eldest child, regardless of gender. House Blackbriar, with their propensity for daughters, has only had a few men rule Riften. (Likewise, they have only married outside of Nord families during those times). Every Nordic House has, at some point, had a female public ruler/lord.

House Ysmir, however, because of the thu'um, and the actions of past female Dovahkinne, has developed a different custom, one geared more towards secrecy for females with the thu'um, to keep away overly ambitious and/or untrustworthy lords, and also because the Dovahkiin has a ridiculous amount of responsibility, and so their family, be it an uncle, cousin, or sibling, tend to take on the more traditional lordly duties.

House Ysmir, over the centuries, has married more often into northern houses, to set an example and further integrate themselves. For male Dovahkiin, this works out perfectly, usually, as the women they marry enjoy a great deal more freedom in Nordic culture, and come to cherish their husbands for it. For female Dovahkiin, this is different; Westerosi men resent them, for the most part.

The first female Dovahkiin, Helga the Heavenly, was seduced and lied to by a lord seeking her lands; she killed him after learning of his ambitions, an act which nearly led to war. Her granddaughter, Fair Ingrid, (who was Vjorn's grandmother) having grown up with this cautionary tale, presented her younger brother as Lord of Sovngarde, and found a lord who loved her for her.

And so Hilda allows Westeros to think that Wulfric is Lord of Sovngarde, and refers to him as such.
 
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If you will notice a bit more carefully you will notice that the Nords consider Hilda their queen with her brother's lordship being a fiction for outsiders. For that matter the author outright stated this in a comment:
Yes, I realized it was a deception. :)

Likewise, one of the merchants on the road called her Dovahjud, which means "Dragonqueen".

To clarify a little bit more, Nord Lordships pass to the eldest child, regardless of gender. House Blackbriar, with their propensity for daughters, has only had a few men rule Riften. (Likewise, they have only married outside of Nord families during those times). Every Nordic House has, at some point, had a female public ruler/lord.

House Ysmir, however, because of the thu'um, and the actions of past female Dovahkinne, has developed a different custom, one geared more towards secrecy for females with the thu'um, to keep away overly ambitious and/or untrustworthy lords, and also because the Dovahkiin has a ridiculous amount of responsibility, and so their family, be it an uncle, cousin, or sibling, tend to take on the more traditional lordly duties.

House Ysmir, over the centuries, has married more often into northern houses, to set an example and further integrate themselves. For male Dovahkiin, this works out perfectly, usually, as the women they marry enjoy a great deal more freedom in Nordic culture, and come to cherish their husbands for it. For female Dovahkiin, this is different; Westerosi men resent them, for the most part.

The first female Dovahkiin, Helga the Heavenly, was seduced and lied to by a lord seeking her lands; she killed him after learning of his ambitions, an act which nearly led to war. Her granddaughter, Fair Ingrid, (who was Vjorn's grandmother) having grown up with this cautionary tale, presented her younger brother as Lord of Sovngarde, and found a lord who loved her for her.

And so Hilda allows Westeros to think that Wulfric is Lord of Sovngarde, and refers to him as such.

It seems contrived, given that they already had a precedence with Dorne. Especially so, if the other Nord houses follow "eldest regardless of gender rule". Assuming the fictional lord had an outsider wife, she would undoubtedly expect her child to inherit. These are the kind of scenarios that lead to Dance of Dragons. Unless it is also understood by the outsiders that Hilda's children will inherit, not Wulfric.

Still, this is a minor point. I am enjoying the story regardless. :)
 
:)It seems contrived, given that they already had a precedence with Dorne. Especially so, if the other Nord houses follow "eldest regardless of gender rule". Assuming the fictional lord had an outsider wife, she would undoubtedly expect her child to inherit. These are the kind of scenarios that lead to Dance of Dragons. Unless it is also understood by the outsiders that Hilda's children will inherit, not Wulfric.

Still, this is a minor point. I am enjoying the story regardless. :)

Dorne and the North are two very different places. The Dornish expect firstborn females to inherit; it's been in their culture for centuries. It's the exact opposite everywhere else. Hence why the Nords are considered weird for allowing it, and why such ruling women tend to marry within the culture.

The deception has literally only happened once, and no, the lord in question, Ingrid's brother, Brunwulf, did not marry an outsider; he married a Stormcloak. Assuming he had married an outsider, his wife would be in no position to force the issue, and her children would laugh at her if she should suggest that it was their right to rule Sovngarde.

You really can't compare the two scenarios like that. In Nordic culture, all that scenario would lead to is an upset wife. Nords follow the Dovahkiin. Their loyalty to the Dovahkiin is pretty much absolute.
 
@Cxjenious please don't turn this into an angsty emo fic. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT YOU HOLD HOLY DON'T! Sorry I volunteer my time at the shelter for teens I get enough angst and emotional drama.

Enlisting in the Corps did wonders for my kids and myself. But the kids at the shelter seem to take that advice as an insult.
 
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Part 1 of Thorfinn I:
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"Bugger the king and bugger his demands," cursed Arlan Stormcloak, gruff voice echoing in the vaulted council chambers. He paced beneath one of the bay windows that looked out to the sea, chainmail clanking as he stomped about. "Wulfric is not the Dovahkiin, but the blood of Ysmir runs in his veins all the same. To give him up without a fight is to shame not only all Nords, but the gods as well!"


Overhead, great crystal chandeliers of glittering gold hung from the high ceiling, positioned to catch and magnify the last rays of the sun as it fell into the Sunset Sea. The dark granite walls were blanketed by tapestries gathered from all over the known world, most brought by Thorfinn himself.


"There is no shame in acquiescing to the demands of a king," the Hrothgar said. Further down the table, Gildheim nodded in agreement. "Nor would I presume to speak for the gods. Such is Hilda's domain." He twirled his ash-white whiskers around a wrinkled finger. "Does Jarl Wulfgar share your sentiments?" The Hrothgar was surprisingly soft spoken for so large a man. He sat at the head of the weirwood table, robed in blue and grey, his beard so long that he had to tuck it in his belt. Thorfinn had no worries as to which way the Hrothgar's opinion would fall – before he assumed his position, his name had been Ralof Ysmir. During his youth, he had followed his cousin Old Vjorn like a lost puppy, according to Gildheim. The Blackbriar lord had once told Thorfinn that Vjorn could have shit on a plate and called it a delicacy and Ralof would have eaten it with a smile on his face.


He was even more besotted with Hilda.


Arlan scowled, and Thorfinn tried not to sigh. Arlan had been arguing his point for what seemed like hours now, and only Lorheim Jorrvaskr, a greater warmonger than any scion of Stormcloak, agreed with him. But what can one expect from wolves and bears, Thorfinn thought.


Like most Nords, Arlan was all too ready to go to war. He was bred for it; it was said that the Stormcloak brothers fell from the womb armored in plate, with axes fashioned from their mother's bones. Thorfinn had fought beside both of them in Essos, and could attest to their prowess, but of the two, only Jarl Wulfgar seemed to have any sense.


Thorfinn wondered why the Jarl had sent his brother to serve on Hilda's council. Surely he had another relative who wasn't so stupid?


"We all feel the sting of shame," Tsilda said. "None of us, I think, more so than Lady Hilda herself. But you saw her when she returned to the city. She said she has a plan. I trust her, as all Nords have trusted her line since the World Eater cast our home to ruin."


If Thorfinn's heart hadn't already been claimed by another, he might have taken Ser Tsilda for a wife. The lady knight, like most women of Dawnstar, was a great beauty, tall and strong, with blond hair so pale it was almost white. She was still unmarried, and apparently chaste as a maid, but her twins were evidence that she well knew the touch of a man. The Dawnstars had adopted the southron practice of titling themselves ser, but instead of swearing false oaths to false gods, they swore their service to Meridia, Queen of the Dawn, and their oaths were simple: Protect the weak, and defend the realm from evil. Sons and daughters of house Dawnstar went as far north as the Lands of Always Winter to obey that oath, fighting against the ice draugr, though in recent years, they hadn't needed to venture so far to find them.


Further down the table, seated with the representatives from the lesser houses, Ser Balmir Greymane grunted his agreement. "Aye," called out Sofie and Robar Darkbrother. "Aye," echoed Thranson Silveren. Garlund Nightgale, however, a wily thief who was as quick with a dagger as the sun was bright, stood up and said, "I too, trust Lady Hilda. Her mind is as sharp as Miraak, for all that she is young, untested, and gentle besides. Still, I trust her." Arlan returned to his seat, and Helsif, the last member of the council to arrive, finally took her place across from Thorfinn. Ser Tsilda narrowed her eyes at Helsif; for the briefest of moments, Thorfinn that the Dawn knight might attack her.


The vast room had seemed uncomfortable before, with its dark stone and black marble floors, but now the tension seemed as if to choke the very air from the room, and sap the heat as well, for all of a sudden, the torches dimmed and a chill fell over the hall.


But no one said anything. Was he imagining it?


"It is this southron king whom I do not trust," Garlund continued. "I was in King's Landing when he had his war against the false dragons. I was there when the bodies of Rhaegar's children were presented to him. He–"


Thorfinn stood up, and Garlund grew quiet. "This council did not convene to discuss whether or not to send Wulfric south," he began, in the same sort of voice that saw him command fleets through treacherous storm in the Shivering Sea, and even worse storms in the Summer Sea. "Hilda has already decided. We know not to trust the king, as he is neither a Stark nor a Nord. We know of every shameful thing he has ever done, every freshly flowered girl he's sowed, every bastard he's sired. One of them serves on my ship."


He felt Helsif's eyes on him like spear tips that had been dipped in poisonous, and resisted the urge to shudder. He had sailed beyond the Thousand Isles, walked through the Shadow beyond Asshai, fought brindled men and wyverns, even a kraken, and still, Helsif's red eyes made his flesh crawl. He couldn't imagine how foul the Bloodflower's presence must be. Strange, he thought, that so beautiful a woman can be so vile. "Garlund, sit, please." After the thief sat down, Thorfnn continued, "There are two things that Hilda wished for us to discuss while she journeyed to Shor's Hall, and two things only; how to quietly mobilize our levies and long ships, and finding her a husband."


The arguments continued, but the king and Wulfric were never mentioned. They bickered, they fussed, they complained. Arlan wanted Hilda to wed his son, Aidan, who Thorfinn already knew had his heart set on a Wull girl. Tsilda's son, Feifnir, was four years younger than Hilda, but he was offered up all the same, along with her nephew, Ser Harkon. Sofie and Robar put forth every unwed male from the Darkbrother clan. Garlund advocated for his son, as did Thranson.


Thrankull, Thorfinn had to admit, would be a good match. He wasn't particularly comely, but he wasn't homely either. His looks didn't really matter; Hilda was beautiful enough for the both of them. He had a good head on his shoulders, was frightening with a bow in his hands, and he was devoted to his people. Of course, the same could be said for most of the Darkbrother boys, and Feifnir and Ser Harkon too. Ser Harkon and Feifnir had the benefit of being handsome, but they were Knights of the Dawn, or in line to be, and their first loyalty was to Meridia.


The Hrothgar looked to Helsif for a suggestion. Thorfinn pondered the revulsion he felt for her. It wasn't a new feeling, but old and familiar, like a nord's first sword. He'd been the same as a child, he remembered. Uneasy in her presence. Wary. Watchful.


"Are we all so smitten with Hilda that we must keep her for ourselves? Her father wed a Nord, yes, but her grandfather married a Ryswell, and his father married a Stark. In fact, not since Ragnar Redblood has any firstborn of the Dovah line married a Nord. Even Helga the Heavenly, who killed her first betrothed, wed an Umber. We will need the North in the times to come. She should wed one of them."


"She cannot wed Robb," the Hrothgar said. "He is to be the Stark in Winterfell. The boy Bran is too young, though she is fond of him. Little Rickon is even younger."

Sofie said, "There are other Starks."


"Aye," agreed Gildheim. "The Starks of Moat Cailin. Rodrik is not yet betrothed, nor is Elric."


"They stand to inherit," chimed Ser Tsilda. "Neither of them will do. But the others might. The twins are too young, but Edwyn is old enough to sire children."


Helsif laughed, and the sound made Thorfinn's hair stand on in. It echoed unnaturally, bouncing from one wall to the other, then to the ceiling, and back down to them. "The Starks of Moat Cailin are worthy, but they hold no dominion over the north."


"There are no other Starks left to consider." Arlan pointed out, still upset that his suggestions had been rebuffed by nearly the entire council.


"There is one," Thorfinn said. "The Bastard of Winterfell. Jon Snow."


The silence turned heavy. Nords cared little for the Faith's disparagement of bastards, but no Dovahkiin had ever wed a bastard before.


"He is beloved by Lord Stark," the Hrothgar said.


"And by his brother as well," added Sofie. "By all his siblings."


"Lady Stark hates him, though," Robar argued. "She thinks him a threat to her children's inheritance. What will she think when he becomes the husband of the Dovahkiin? House Stark has never had a vassal house as strong as ours; she will worry that he will seek to usurp the lordship from her son, and her hatred of him will become hatred of us."


"Perhaps," Helsif allowed. "Perhaps not." She shrugged. "It was only a suggestion. Ultimately, Lady Hilda will decide. It would be nice, however, to reach a consensus, or something resembling one."


"Lady Stark is a fool, like all southron women," Ser Tsilda said. "So what if she fears the bastard? She will never be Lord of Winterfell."


"The boy has honor," Arlan grumbled. "And he isn't half-bad with a sword. What? I've seen him fight against the boys in Wintertown on several occasions. Aidan speaks highly of him."


"He's a mopey little shit," Lorheim said. Garlund thought that was hilarious, and laughed himself into a coughing fit. Thorfinn had almost forgotten the wolf was there. How could so large and hulking a man sit so quietly? Thorfinn was a big man himself, but Lorheim, as was the norm amongst the Jorrvaskr men, was over seven feet tall, with thick red-hair and intricate markings winding down his from shoulders to his feet.


Thorfinn found it funny that the Jorrvaskr wolves in their human forms were so large, and yet, beneath the light of the full moon, the bears were almost thrice their size. Not that the bears, in human form, were in any way small. Arlan was approaching seven feet himself.


"He's a bastard in a world that hates his kind," Garlund said. "A little moping is understandable. He will not be so reviled if he were to join us. I am certainly not opposed to the idea."


"Nor I," said Tsilda.


"Nor I," said Sofie and Robar together.


Save Lorheim, they were all in agreement. They would put forth Jon Snow's name as a viable husband, along with, it was decided, the Nord boys, as well as a few second sons from southron houses who might be of some use, should the realm fall to war. Loras Tyrell was one, though Sofie and Garlund both whispered that he was a pillow-biting milk-drinker who would sooner lay with Wulfric than Hilda. Quentyn Martell was another, but Gildheim, who had spent almost a decade in Dorne after Robert's War, didn't think that the dornish prince would have anything to do with a northern banner. Thorfinn agreed. He had walked the sands of Dorne a few times in his life; the north had might as well been in another continent, to them. None dared put forth Tyrion Lannister, and no other great house had a second son or third son to spare.


There was much less discussion about how to best gather the levies. There was to be a festival in Sovngarde in eight months; the best time to gather the men would come then. It would take nearly half that time to carry the messages all across the north and south, so slow was the only way to go, unless they wished to risk using ravens or pigeons and have a message intercepted.


Thorfinn, as High Admiral and Lord Vigilant, would see personally to the long ships himself. It made sense, he figured, as he would have to see to the fleet anyway, for Hilda had given him other tasks as well. From where did your devious mind arise, sweet Hilda?


The Hrothgar adjourned the meeting. The representatives trickled out until only Helsif and Thorfinn were left. Ah, he thought. Of course.


Helsif smiled crookedly. The tip of a fang peaked over the edge of her ruby lips. "Do I still unnerve you so, little cousin? The great Thane they call Deathbrand? Surely not so terrible a killer is afraid of little old me?"


Thorfinn didn't grace her with an answer. "You should be careful of Ser Tsilda," he said instead. "Meridia hates your kind. She'll kill you if she gets the chance."


"She will try. I will stop her. If she can even work up the nerve to go against Hilda, which I doubt. Jarl Asmund is my kin, same as you, and Lady Sigrid is Hilda's own aunt; Tsilda will have to go against her Jarl and her queen both. Two queens; Hilda wears the crown, but Lady Helena is still her mother." She laughed in such a way as to convey how absurd she thought the idea of Tsilda killing her was. "Tsilda is much too dutiful and honorable to move against me." She stood smoothly, as if a snake rearing up to strike. Thorfinn fought the urge to grab his dagger. "You, on the other hand… you are playing a dangerous game, cousin. Hilda has enough to worry about. I don't think she will appreciate-"


"Hilda doesn't know," he said, angry all of a sudden. "And you won't tell her." He stood up as well, and stepped away from the table. "Like you said, she has enough to worry about. She named me her Thane for a reason; have never failed her before, and I don't intend to start now."


"Very well, cousin. I will keep my silence. For now." She walked to stand in the window, and didn't even wince at the sunlight that spilled through. How long could she withstand the sun? he wondered. "You killed one kraken. Let us hope you need not kill another."


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Thorfinn's chapter is done at around 6200 words, but I won't be posting the latter half here, on account of the sex-scene that literally came out of nowhere (I'd had absolutely no intention of writing one). After I read over it again for errors and whatnot, I'll be posting it to ffnet.
 
Question, but since Planetos is in the same universe as Elder Scrolls, does this mean Alduin conquered Tamriel or came back as the World-Eater?

Also, since the Nords came at the time of King Jaehaerys, did the Nords also fight for the Blacks?

And what do Nords think of Asoiaf Dragons? Cause...ES dragons are pretty much Angels, while Asoiaf...are just really smart dogs.
 
Question, but since Planetos is in the same universe as Elder Scrolls, does this mean Alduin conquered Tamriel or came back as the World-Eater?

Also, since the Nords came at the time of King Jaehaerys, did the Nords also fight for the Blacks?

And what do Nords think of Asoiaf Dragons? Cause...ES dragons are pretty much Angels, while Asoiaf...are just really smart dogs.

Tamriel was torn asunder and swallowed by the sea. Alduin was later destroyed, but by then, it was too late. The gods had already granted the Nords their magical ships and sent them on their merry way.

No, they certainly did not follow their liege lord to war. Nords hate war. They totally betrayed their oaths of fealty to side with the Greens. Of course they fought for the Blacks. The fought like madmen. I won't get into much detail, but Thorkall Ysmir led his own force of around 2,000 old men (who literally went to war so they could die in battle) south with Roddy the Ruin, and another couple thousand older Nords under the command of a Blackbriar lord sailed down the western coast to ravage the West and parts of the Reach. They killed a lot of southron knights, and, as the story goes, Thorkall earned the name Thunderfist when he punched Vermithor in the snout so hard that lightning fell from the heavens. Both dragon and man died, amongst numerous others, and Cregan later betrothed his daughter Sarra to Thorkall's son, Thorvard. Rhaenyra still got ate by a dragon, though.

Depends on the Nord. As a whole? They are, as you said, animals. Giant, scaly chickens. Winged snakes.
 
Tamriel was torn asunder and swallowed by the sea. Alduin was later destroyed, but by then, it was too late. The gods had already granted the Nords their magical ships and sent them on their merry way.

No, they certainly did not follow their liege lord to war. Nords hate war. They totally betrayed their oaths of fealty to side with the Greens. Of course they fought for the Blacks. The fought like madmen. I won't get into much detail, but Thorkall Ysmir led his own force of around 2,000 old men (who literally went to war so they could die in battle) south with Roddy the Ruin, and another couple thousand older Nords under the command of a Blackbriar lord sailed down the western coast to ravage the West and parts of the Reach. They killed a lot of southron knights, and, as the story goes, Thorkall earned the name Thunderfist when he punched Vermithor in the snout so hard that lightning fell from the heavens. Both dragon and man died, amongst numerous others, and Cregan later betrothed his daughter Sarra to Thorkall's son, Thorvard. Rhaenyra still got ate by a dragon, though.

Depends on the Nord. As a whole? They are, as you said, animals. Giant, scaly chickens. Winged snakes.

Did I mean Tamriel? Lol, I meant Nirn, since if Alduin ate Nirn, that means that the Nords are in a Kalpa.

Though, I forgot to ask...I do have SOME intelligence to guess most Nordic armor (Steel Plate, Normal Steel, Iron, Etc.) is probably made...does House Ysmir have a full set, including any weapons, of Ebony?
 
Did I mean Tamriel? Lol, I meant Nirn, since if Alduin ate Nirn, that means that the Nords are in a Kalpa.

Though, I forgot to ask...I do have SOME intelligence to guess most Nordic armor (Steel Plate, Normal Steel, Iron, Etc.) is probably made...does House Ysmir have a full set, including any weapons, of Ebony?

Yes! They are in another world, now.

No one bothers with iron armor anymore, or that old normal steel armor. Blacksmiths are really wide spread; every village has at least one smithing family. They most commonly wear scaled armor, either of giant's leather or steel, chain mail, plate armor, and various combinations of the three. Ebony is only obsidian; as such, a number of cherished Nord warriors have ebony plate armor and chain mail, to say nothing of shields and swords and axes. Of course, ebony doesn't make the very best armor or weapons (though it is better than steel plate, near impenetrable, and hardly any heavier). The best weapons and armor come from a special type of icy blue metal that can only be transmuted by the Hagraven, or a group of witches of comparable power. It is lighter than steel and stronger than ebony. Very rare, and very cherished. Once upon a time it was known as stahlrim, but the nords just call it blue steel, now.
 
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Well Ebony was prized in Tamriel cause of how good it was and rare it is, though it might be because of the only Volcano was in Morrowind. Though I will argue that Ebony from ES is entirely Different from obsidion from Asoiaf, since RL obsidion is kinda shit and not really good or strong enough to be made plate mail impervious to steel or strong enough to penetrate steel.

Hmmm, what else...oh, I think my favorite period in Asoiaf History was Aegon III's reign to the Blackfyre Rebellion so can't wait on what you do on that.

Btw, I noticed that a Nordic race is giving its Military services to Roman-expies, making Nords the Varangian expies of Westeros.

What's the name of the sellsword company, who created it, how big is it, how equipped are they, do they recruit Lhazarans or locals that have beef with Dorthraki and the Cities, how many Dorthraki did they have to kill before the Dorthraki said fuck it, did they join the golden company in the War of the Ninepenny Kings, and can you tell us some battles they fought against the Golden Company?
 
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Well Ebony waa prized in Tamriel cause of how good it was and rare it is, though it might be because of the only Volcano was in Morrowind.

Hmmm, what else...oh, I think my favorite period in Asoiaf History was Aegon III's reign to the Blackfyre Rebellion so can't wait on what you do on that.

Btw, I noticed that a Nordic race is giving its Military services to Roman-expies, making Nords the Varangian expies of Westeros.

What's the name of the sellsword company, who created it, how big is it, how equipped are they, do they recruit Lhazarans or locals that have beef with Dorthraki and the Cities, how many Dorthraki did they have to kill before the Dorthraki said fuck it, did they join the golden company in the War of the Ninepenny Kings, and can you tell us some battles they fought against the Golden Company?

They are called the Sons of Skyrim (though there are nearly as many women in the company as men), and only Nords, or descendants of Nords, are allowed in the company. Thorgund Jorrvaskr slew a great Khal in single combat and came to see the glory that could be won in the east, but it was his son, Leif, who founded the company. Their numbers fluctuate, but there are usually about 12,000 of them; during long periods of peace in Westeros, or during wars where the North takes no part, their numbers can swell to upwards of 15,000-20,000. (Though, in truth, whenever there is a war, a few Nords always join up, on account of their intense love of war and battle.) A rough breakdown would be about 2,000 lancers, sometimes more, around 500-1000 mounted archers, and around 8,000 foot, with about 1,000 of the foot being bowmen (they use a variety of bows, being eager to learn all manner of war). They don't use elephants like the Golden Company, but seeing as how some of them can turn into monstrous wolves and smell like predators, they don't have to. (In such cases when the wolves were used in battle, there tend to be very few survivors). Young Nords join up to learn the art of war, and old Nords join up to die. The majority of the company are descendants of the first 5,000, however.

Like with any other sellsword company, members sign contracts to determine how long they serve (1 yr, 2 yrs, 4 yrs, 10 yrs, and 20 yrs), but a significant chunk serve for life (even those who serve for life journey to Sovngarde to pay homage to the Dovahkiin, almost like a pilgrimage, and as a whole the company pays annual tribute to House Ysmir). They are pretty well equipped, tending towards scale (elephant leather, mostly), and chain mail armor with select pieces of plate. They use round, convex shields of solid steel, or wood with steel plating, (like the Westerosi Nords) that are three feet in diameter. The foot wields long spears, with two shorter spears for throwing, and short swords/axes/maces for close combant.

They have killed a fuck ton of Dothraki over the years. Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? They've been in Essos for over 150 years, so the numbers are probably pretty staggering. The Dothraki haven't given up, but with the deaths of so many khals, the khalasars are small and intensely quarrelsome. They haven't left the Dothraki sea in any great numbers in the last decade or so, keeping to light raids on very small cities and villages.

They did not join the Golden Company during the War of the Ninepenny Kings, but they didn't fight against them either, as no one paid them to. During the Golden Company's roughly 50 year existence before the Ninepenny War, they clashed with the Sons of Skyrim a few of times in the Disputed Lands, contracted by Lys or Myr or Tyrosh. During the nearly fourty years after, they've clashed a little less. The bloodiest of these confrontations took place in the year 230 AL, when the Sons where contracted by Lys and the Golden Company was contracted by Myr. Tyrosh hired a number of lesser companies to attempt to match them. Nearly a thousand Nords died, the Tyroshi companies were summarily routed, and after loosing three times as many soldiers as the Nords, the Golden Company struck their banners. For a time, Lys ruled the Disputed Lands, until another city hired the Sons away and the lands were once more disputed.
 
So, one a few more questions, I love worldbuidling @Cxjenious , so as canon tells us, the south knows that the North have "Knights", as their just called Northern Knights, but what would be the Nordic Equivalent of a Knight? Like a Thane or a Housecarl?

Like say for instance Thane Jon instead of Ser Jon.

Now...unto the the views of Nords. What does the rest of Westeros and Essos view Nords? Like the Westerlands, Dorne, The Reach, etc?

And what does Essos view thier Varangian Expies as?

And finally, the big ones, The Targaryens and Starks. What did they view the Nordic customs and how they influenced the Stark Lords and Targaryen Kings?

And presumably, the title changed to King of the Andals, Rhoynar, First Men, and The Nords?

Honestly though, how do all Nords know the Dragon Language, I thought it was a dead language even in Skyrim and only few understood it, unless the Dovahkiin that lead the Nords taught it to them. And maybe its just me, but New Skyrim leaves a bad taste in my mouth, Idk I read a lot of bad fanfics having "New" with thier shitty city. Maybe have something Nordic like Atmora or something like that, or Dovah if you like.

I'm surprised your not getting feedback or posting on DLP, considering your popularity in The Black Prince, which btw, got a shit ton of shitty rip offs, the funniest and shittiest, ironically, being a ES crossover. All were doing is just asking questions.

Edit: what I mean is this:



That's what I kind a meant.

Also, Stalhrim vs Ebony vs Valyrian, which of these are best?
 
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So, one a few more questions, I love worldbuidling @Cxjenious , so as canon tells us, the south knows that the North have "Knights", as their just called Northern Knights, but what would be the Nordic Equivalent of a Knight? Like a Thane or a Housecarl?

Like say for instance Thane Jon instead of Ser Jon.

Now...unto the the views of Nords. What does the rest of Westeros and Essos view Nords? Like the Westerlands, Dorne, The Reach, etc?

And what does Essos view thier Varangian Expies as?

And finally, the big ones, The Targaryens and Starks. What did they view the Nordic customs and how they influenced the Stark Lords and Targaryen Kings?

And presumably, the title changed to King of the Andals, Rhoynar, First Men, and The Nords?

Honestly though, how do all Nords know the Dragon Language, I thought it was a dead language even in Skyrim and only few understood it, unless the Dovahkiin that lead the Nords taught it to them. And maybe its just me, but New Skyrim leaves a bad taste in my mouth, Idk I read a lot of bad fanfics having "New" with thier shitty city. Maybe have something Nordic like Atmora or something like that, or Dovah if you like.

I'm surprised your not getting feedback or posting on DLP, considering your popularity in The Black Prince, which btw, got a shit ton of shitty rip offs, the funniest and shittiest, ironically, being a ES crossover. All were doing is just asking questions.

Edit: what I mean is this:



That's what I kind a meant.

1. The only knights in Nord culture are the warriors sworn to Meridia, called the Knights of the Dawn. Every son or daughter of house Dawnstar is a knight, including Hilda's mother, Lady Helena. The Nords have mounted lancers, and a great number of warriors as well armored and trained as southron knights, but they don't call themselves anything. Thanes are just really badass warriors (landed warriors, it seems). Housecarls are pretty much just sworn shields.

2. There's a bit of wonder and mysticism about them, on account of them crossing the Sunset Sea to reach Westeros, and the splendor of their three cities, (though to the Essosi, they are nothing amazing) but other than that? They are about as reviled/respected/feared as an extremely martial, sea-faring, war-loving people can be. There's enmity in the West, on account of the Nords that pillaged there during the Dance, and a little less in the Reach. Likewise, there's a bit of resentment for their quick rise to power and wealth. (I've said how wealthy the Nords are; imagine if there were anywhere from six to ten Corlys Velaryon's every generation, then imagine if the Golden Company paid anywhere from a fifth to a quarter of its spoils to an imaginary liege lord, and you can start to understand how wealthy they are.)

3. ...Sellswords? Uppity sellswords, for demanding tribute for essentially driving off the Dothraki.

4. That's too complex to answer, as its largely a case-by-case sort of thing. I'll say that their customs are considered somewhat strange, but that didn't stop a couple Stark lords from giving daughters or sisters to house Ysmir, nor did that stop a couple of Targaryen women from taking a ride on their fat pink masts. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Lord Ellard wasn't so angry to give up the Gift with Nords there to protect the land.

5. Yes.

6. Yep, the Dovahkiin, and the surviving Greybeards, taught them. On a journey that lasted several generations, they had a lot of time to teach. I also don't like the name New Skyrim, hence why I changed it to just say Blackstone Road. I haven't really read any Elder Scrolls fics though. I try and stay away from anything shitty. I noticed my writing improved when I kept my reading primarily to professional works.

7. Me too. But hey, that's how the cookies crumbles. I was hoping for a few grammar nazis or something. Are there really that many shitty rip-offs? I haven't paid much attention to the fandom, for aforementioned reasons.

8. Your images are broken for me.

Thorfinn's full chapter is posted now, over on ffn.
 
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Argh! Y U Do Dis?

Lol anyways, yeah sorry, I was on my phone when did the images so I'll edit.

And Yes...many shitty rip offs, like...you have no Idea.

For Skyrim, just change it to either Dovah Translation of like something like..."New Land", or "Land of Woods" or have it in a Nordic Language.

Also, did Aegon the Unworthy go North to sample Viking Booty? Aemon Targaryen...is he liked in the North? Cause Aemon and Aegon are compete opposites of each other, since Aegon is the biggeat asshole, Aemon was the biggest bro.

And lastly, how has Northmen Culture influenced Nords the same way Nords influenced Northmen Culture?

Also, Nordic Berskers...they feared as fuck? Like I assume that Dorthraki have almost enthusiastic fear of fighting Sons of Skyrim cause how great they are at war.
 
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Lol anyways, yeah sorry, I was on my phone when did the images so I'll edit.

And Yes...many shitty rip offs, like...you have no Idea.

For Skyrim, just change it to either Dovah Translation of like something like..."New Land", or "Land of Woods" or have it in a Nordic Language.

Also, did Aegon the Unworthy go North to sample Viking Booty? Aemon Targaryen...is he liked in the North? Cause Aemon and Aegon are compete opposites of each other, since Aegon is the biggeat asshole, Aemon was the biggest bro.

And lastly, how has Northmen Culture influenced Nords the same way Nords influenced Northmen Culture?

Also, Nordic Berskers...they feared as fuck? Like I assume that Dorthraki have almost enthusiastic fear of fighting Sons of Skyrim cause how great they are at war.

Aegon didn't need to go North. Nord traders sail through every port in Westeros, and all the cities have a few Nightgale's/Darkbrother's running about. Anyway, before Aegon got all fat and slovenly, yep, he got him some "Viking booty", as you call it. Um, I guess? What does Aemon have to do with anything? Most people don't even know he exists.

No. Neither has changed the other very much at all. Northmen still worship trees, don't much like women who fight (though there are exceptions to the rule), don't have jousting tourneys, or build temples to their gods.

Yes, they are "feared as fuck".
 
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