A Song of Pride and Magic: A Grindelwald Quest (HP/ASOIAF)
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[X] Accept. You are tired, weak, famished, that much is obvious by now. Besides, while this 'Last Greenseer' might be plotting some sort of ruse, you expect him to be far more subtle about it, a trick of false hospitality would just disappoint you.
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept ofhospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
Bloodraven straight up set off Grindelwald's danger sense. There is no telling how effective the Greenseer will be at penetrating his mental defenses while resting in one of their seats of power. He needs to get as far away as possible till he comes across someone magical capable of forcing him to submit or muggles he can dominate even without a wand. Another factor is that refusing lets Grindelwald know more about Bloodraven's tactics by how the man response.
Grindelwald does not fully understand the magic of the weirwoods and greenseers so he can't be sure there is not another component related to hospitality. Even canon HP shows there are ancient forms of magic that operate outside typical spells/potions such that the Greenseers may literally bind guests in a manner by simple having them take and acknowledge the debt of shelter. Now while there is no proof of that in Asoiaf Grindelwald does not know that.
Bloodraven straight up set off Grindelwald's danger sense. There is no telling how effective the Greenseer will be at penetrating his mental defenses while resting in one of their seats of power. He needs to get as far away as possible till he comes across someone magical capable of forcing him to submit or muggles he can dominate even without a wand. Another factor is that refusing lets Grindelwald know more about Bloodraven's tactics by how the man response.
Grindelwald does not fully understand the magic of the weirwoods and greenseers so he can't be sure there is not another component related to hospitality. Even canon HP shows there are ancient forms of magic that operate outside typical spells/potions such that the Greenseers may literally bind guests in a manner by simple having them take and acknowledge the debt of shelter. Now while there is no proof of that in Asoiaf Grindelwald does not know that.
- Location
- London, England
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept ofhospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
Nope Nope Nope! To the Chopper! Evac! Jump of the nearest cliff ain't no-one dragging us into the Westeros equivalent of Fae Customs!
Nope Nope Nope! To the Chopper! Evac! Jump of the nearest cliff ain't no-one dragging us into the Westeros equivalent of Fae Customs!
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[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept of hospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
I'd much rather just strike out on our own. Letting anyone have a debt to hold over our head at this point is a bad idea in general, and the fact that it's to these people makes it even more sketchy.
I'd much rather just strike out on our own. Letting anyone have a debt to hold over our head at this point is a bad idea in general, and the fact that it's to these people makes it even more sketchy.
- Location
- nz
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept of hospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
Oh I am slain!
Wynaut?
- Location
- Tatooine
[x] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept of hospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
-[] Be polite.
-[] Be professional.
-[] Be polite.
-[] Be professional.
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- Location
- The Void
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept of hospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
- Location
- Nope
[X] Accept. You are tired, weak, famished, that much is obvious by now. Besides, while this 'Last Greenseer' might be plotting some sort of ruse, you expect him to be far more subtle about it, a trick of false hospitality would just disappoint you.
Why on earth wouldn't we accept? There are no fae in HP that I'm aware of - no, we haven't sussed out this world's magic just yet, but it seems to me that declining would be against the precedent our previous decision set, and for no good reason.
If we declined, what would we do instead? Travel to a random city out of our random landing spot and hope for the best? If he can beat us in a fight and intends to, we're already fucked. If that isn't his plan, then we have an option to learn about the world from a native and replenish our health right here.
Why on earth wouldn't we accept? There are no fae in HP that I'm aware of - no, we haven't sussed out this world's magic just yet, but it seems to me that declining would be against the precedent our previous decision set, and for no good reason.
If we declined, what would we do instead? Travel to a random city out of our random landing spot and hope for the best? If he can beat us in a fight and intends to, we're already fucked. If that isn't his plan, then we have an option to learn about the world from a native and replenish our health right here.
- Location
- India
[X] Accept. You are tired, weak, famished, that much is obvious by now. Besides, while this 'Last Greenseer' might be plotting some sort of ruse, you expect him to be far more subtle about it, a trick of false hospitality would just disappoint you.
Grindelwald to me seemed like he was simple curious about the presence he sensed and that he satisfied that bit by making contact with Bloodraven. Now this revealed a "man" intertwined roots of a tree, weirdwoods possible act as conduits, Bloodraven is skilled enough to touch memories of a distracted Grindelwald, that Bloodraven is manipulative, and that there is alot more he does not know about the situation. This is alot of good bits of information but it should make Grindelwald even more leery about staying in a possible seat of power of Bloodraven.
I remember in this one fanfic where Harry actually legilimens Dumbledore by catching him asleep. It brought up a good point that in canon HP we don't actually know if Occlumency can be maintained in ones sleep. While Grindelwald may have ensured Bloodraven only received Greek language while the rest of his more important memories exist in another it does not mean Bloodraven can't glean knowledge from the images or for all Grindelwald knows place mental tweaks deep in the mind. If Bloodraven does glean more memories it is likely he will atleast realize Grindelwald's true power requires wands and thus could manipulate things to ensure the wizard does not get ahold of a focus till Bloodraven allows it.
There may not be fea in HP and while book version of the Others is implied to be very similar they may not actually have the same power. What we do know is that HP canon has shown that certain magics are more primal like the magic that protected Harry because Lily refused to step aside despite the offer from Voldemort and that alot of magical creatures demonstrate abilities wizards can't replicate. Grindelwald is not familiar with Bloodravens magic so he can't guarantee there is no secret component to accepting the hospitality especially when he does not trust Bloodraven.
Now leaving does sound kind of crazy since Grindelwald does not know where anything is at, its kind of implied the local language is not the same, he is naked, and lacks his full power without a wand. The alternative is sticking around with someone like Bloodraven who could possible try to mind-whammy him.
Yeah. I don't see why we should just play in someones hand, or preemptively make an alliance. Lets do our own thing.
-[x] Be polite.
-[x] Be professional.
-[jk] Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
- Location
- Home
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept ofhospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
[x] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept of hospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
-[x] Be polite.
-[x] Be professional.
Could you both please use the default Decline, given how close the vote is?
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Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X] Decline. You will owe no debts, real or imagined, nor can you say for certain that his concept ofhospitality is the same as your own. You would rather not be locked into some kind of magical contract or a vow you cannot break.
- Location
- Portland, Oregon
[X] Accept. You are tired, weak, famished, that much is obvious by now. Besides, while this 'Last Greenseer' might be plotting some sort of ruse, you expect him to be far more subtle about it, a trick of false hospitality would just disappoint you.
