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A Shrouded Dawn (Warhammer/Stellaris)

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The main problem with composer in stellar is that he makes your population spontaneously mutate Tzeentch style so the question is does he do this here if yes than definitely [] I Refuse
 
Andrei1234 said:
The main problem with composer in stellar is that he makes your population spontaneously mutate Tzeentch style so the question is does he do this here if yes than definitely [] I Refuse
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I will say that currently you don't have an Empire to affect. These boons Only affect you and do exactly what they say on the tin. Only once you get a meaningful population under your direct control and a reasonable amount of psions will your patron offer Empire scale boons. Which you can refuse, I am saying this OOC for this part.
 
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I will say that for this quest the options are going to be at least partially written from IC knowledge. You won't know what an option does if Anatol has absolutely nothing to go on. Usually speaking this won't happen as your mind is primarch+ and you can gather more information from a single event than a thousand Sherlock Homes could in a week, but when it comes to something that you have no past experience with or basically anything to go on you will find yourself with mystery box options.

They won't be common but they will exist and sometimes they will be the only option in votes.
 
[X] Gold shines brighter, the stars blaze ever onward, let us join in chorus. (All production technologies are reduced by 1 tier for research purposes, gain Instrument of Desire as a tier 2 perk relating to Government and Crafting actions. Become very Aeldari like with speech patterns, also have to spend a meaningful amount of time on Arts and Craft actions per year.)
 
The thing that weirds me out about the Shroud gods is I can see one chaos god in each.

Whispers in the Void = Tzneech
Composer of Strands = Nurgle
Instrument of Desire = Slaanesh
Eater of Worlds = Khorne

This is making all my paranoia alarms go off. I think we should go for the refusal of boons.
[X] I Refuse Your Offers (choose to turn aside the offers of the Shroud Gods. Gain: ????????)
 
the Shroud Gods are categorically NOT the Chaos Gods in a different skin. I am putting this out there that they are not one and the same. They bear a superficial resemble yes, but they are NOT the same.
 
ConfusedPotato said:
Whispers in the Void = Tzneech
Composer of Strands = Nurgle
Instrument of Desire = Slaanesh
Eater of Worlds = Khorne
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As WoQM has said; no, the shroud entities are not Chaos gods or chaos affiliated. The shroud+warp do not mix. I have hinted at this pretty strongly here:
cryptoam said:
PS: Shroud-Warp interactions are ..... Interesting. Let's just say we should be less worried about psyker/warp BS(and precog) and more about someone using the warp to effect changes indirectly(eg narrow down the search area and direct a mob at the area to kill us, levitate rock and drop on us).
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I will also note that Chaos+Shroud/Psion interactions are .... interesting. It will not be negatively interesting and that will be all I will say.
 
Leon12431 said:
the Shroud Gods are categorically NOT the Chaos Gods in a different skin. I am putting this out there that they are not one and the same. They bear a superficial resemble yes, but they are NOT the same.
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For more clarification it is because Stellaris made these entities using inspiration from Warhammer 40000 that they have a few rough correlations, however in-game they are more like truly neutral beings rather than being plainly evil like the Chaos Gods. They don't really think in the same way as mortals do but they do keep any agreements they make, even if these deals might be unusual by our standards.
 
[X] Flesh Accepted, Life Hardened (Increase Wounds to double what you currently have, gain Regeneration at 1 wound per round, All Biology Technology count as 1 tier lower for research. Become unable to directly circumvent the truth, have to go out of your way to improve the physicality and mentality of people via genetic upgrades, have to research Biological technology every 4th tech.)
 
[X] Flesh Accepted, Life Hardened (Increase Wounds to double what you currently have, gain Regeneration at 1 wound per round, All Biology Technology count as 1 tier lower for research. Become unable to directly circumvent the truth, have to go out of your way to improve the physicality and mentality of people via genetic upgrades, have to research Biological technology every 4th tech.)
 
[X] I Refuse Your Offers (choose to turn aside the offers of the Shroud Gods. Gain: ????????)

Shroud gods deals always come at a sharp price

Want super strength?

Fine but you gotta kill a citie worth of your citizens every so often

The shroud gods are better than chaos (because they are actually honorable and uphold their deals even if said deals are dangerous as fuck)

But i rather not do faustian deals with eldritch entities

No gods,no kings
Only man
 
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armentho said:
[] I Refuse Your Offers (choose to turn aside the offers of the Shroud Gods. Gain: ????????)
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Voting is open and you forgot an X in your vote's brackets.

[X] I Refuse Your Offers (choose to turn aside the offers of the Shroud Gods. Gain: ????????)
We'll get an chance for later minor boons anyways.
 
armentho said:
But i rather not do faustian deals with eldritch entities
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I will say that at least in my head canon, the Shroud Gods only truly fuck with empires that lack a Chosen One. They tend to view empires with a Chosen One as being more native to the Shroud so they get a sort of citizenship in their books. Its hard to explain their mindset due to being so alien to anything mortal, but due to being a Chosen One your deals and boons will by default be weighted towards a more mutually beneficial state of being rather than the more normal neutral side of things.

Basically the Eater instead of eating a billion people four times a century only eats them once per century if they have a Chosen One that does the diplomacy with them. This holds true for the other Shroud Entities, basically being a Chosen One gets a major foot in the door as you have what amounts to a minor god advocating for your empire at that point.

To the Shroud Gods, Anatol isn't a Human or Mortal, he is a Lesser Peer to them.

I am a bit more free with OOC Shroud information due to it being a topic prone to interpretation more than other places, so don't expect me to chime in constantly with OOC info. But I am willing to explain my thought process behind Shroud stuff when it comes to the diplomacy inside of it at least.
 
[x] I accept/take your offer/gift/assistance as mine/own (Increase Chosen One research cost reduction to 125 from 100, gain Whispers of the Void as a Perk dedicated to Research/Intrigue at tier 2. Become unbearably cryptic to everyone, anything you invent will be inherently 2x times harder to reverse engineer, you can't have mortal assistance for Stellaris Research)

If we take a blessing, it's that. That has the fewest penalties out of all options.
 
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Leon12431 said:
I will say that at least in my head canon, the Shroud Gods only truly fuck with empires that lack a Chosen One. They tend to view empires with a Chosen One as being more native to the Shroud so they get a sort of citizenship in their books. Its hard to explain their mindset due to being so alien to anything mortal, but due to being a Chosen One your deals and boons will by default be weighted towards a more mutually beneficial state of being rather than the more normal neutral side of things.

Basically the Eater instead of eating a billion people four times a century only eats them once per century if they have a Chosen One that does the diplomacy with them. This holds true for the other Shroud Entities, basically being a Chosen One gets a major foot in the door as you have what amounts to a minor god advocating for your empire at that point.

To the Shroud Gods, Anatol isn't a Human or Mortal, he is a Lesser Peer to them.

I am a bit more free with OOC Shroud information due to it being a topic prone to interpretation more than other places, so don't expect me to chime in constantly with OOC info. But I am willing to explain my thought process behind Shroud stuff when it comes to the diplomacy inside of it at least.
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I mean,having to sacrifice one billion innocent people every century to a eldritch god isntead of four is an improvement,but not good enough to me
 
[x] I Refuse Your Offers (choose to turn aside the offers of the Shroud Gods. Gain: ????????)
 
[x] Gold shines brighter, the stars blaze ever onward, let us join in chorus. (All production technologies are reduced by 1 tier for research purposes, gain Instrument of Desire as a tier 2 perk relating to Government and Crafting actions. Become very Aeldari like with speech patterns, also have to spend a meaningful amount of time on Arts and Craft actions per year.)


ok in my head im looking at the 'Arts and Craft actions per year' well cant we spread culture and it will still count think about it we can build art university and still count so this does not just mean ourself we can use this to our advantage and restore some light

Aeldari speech patern ...so just a stuck up noble with there own twist yea not a demerit at all really in the long game at least

the production technologies really sells it to me the galaxy is huge and we need this if we run into any hive fleets as they shut our transportation and information networks down hard. plus our station about to fall out the sky so yea ....

Instrument of Desire as a tier 2 no idea if this is good or bad to be fair im hoping good
 
[X] Flesh Accepted, Life Hardened (Increase Wounds to double what you currently have, gain Regeneration at 1 wound per round, All Biology Technology count as 1 tier lower for research. Become unable to directly circumvent the truth, have to go out of your way to improve the physicality and mentality of people via genetic upgrades, have to research Biological technology every 4th tech.)
 
Updated the Farseer trait on second thought. It should be more in line with the other traits due to its comparative commonality.
 
[x] Gold shines brighter, the stars blaze ever onward, let us join in chorus. (All production technologies are reduced by 1 tier for research purposes, gain Instrument of Desire as a tier 2 perk relating to Government and Crafting actions. Become very Aeldari like with speech patterns, also have to spend a meaningful amount of time on Arts and Craft actions per year.)
[X] Flesh Accepted, Life Hardened (Increase Wounds to double what you currently have, gain Regeneration at 1 wound per round, All Biology Technology count as 1 tier lower for research. Become unable to directly circumvent the truth, have to go out of your way to improve the physicality and mentality of people via genetic upgrades, have to research Biological technology every 4th tech.)

I'm fine with either of these
 
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