We don't have to. Naron just say we may do so.
That said, the hideout zombies seem pretty unrelated. The suggestion to split to go to the jade office and following the trail makes the most sense to me.
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A Rat's Guide to Glory
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That said, the hideout zombies seem pretty unrelated. The suggestion to split to go to the jade office and following the trail makes the most sense to me.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
True. But then which route to pick if we don't split?
I'm not sure... My thinking is either a split to the jade office and following the trail, or going all in on the hideout thing(though this seems pretty risky right now in terms of time, and I certainly don't want to deal with a pre-library Elena or something like that right now either way)
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
Could be potentially the naked nest abnormality
Or something similar
The Naked Nest
"It can enter your body through any aperture."- Naked Nest's Entry The Naked Nest (O-02-74) is a spherical Abnormality, similar to a rock, covered in a strange brownish substance, has multiple holes of different sizes on its surface, and seems attached to the floor. It acts as a hive or nest...
lobotomycorp.fandom.com
- Location
- Nowhere
I mean Elena kinda fits with what shown timeline wise in a Floor of Philosophy realisation?
At least on the other road she wouldn't have said that, she might have begun trying to kill us or look at us with suspicion, but at least, she wouldn't have complained about us getting nowhere, too busy wondering where she saw us and how we learnt that.
...
How did the vampire puppets worked in Library of Ruina again?
I smell prescripts shenanigans going afoot, I mean, if in doubt, blame the prescripts, but still, this case is particularly strong on the level of *coincidences*.
Almost as if they want us to get our job at Hana and are helping by giving us old things we know to follow on....
So, as I said, I feel like this is breadcrumbs given to us by the prescripts so we get the position, this time, we really should go all our and follow the *coincidence* to the end, instead of half assing it and getting nowhere.
No splitting up, all forces there, and make Rose tell us what she is hiding (she is hiding something, the update points out a moment where she appears to wonder about something, right as we talk about the Thorns hideout without telling where it happened).
[x] Investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
I said it before, I'll say it again: Don't split the party, and actually go to the thorn's hideout with Rose, the biggest elements in our favor against any other possible candidate to finish this mission is our knowledge of it, stop dodging it and make her cough up the knowledge about it she is hiding.
The sooner we get her to reveal the potential links of this affair with the thorns, the better we'll be, even just having her explain in details how it isn't related would be better, as it would allows us to put all efforts in something else instead of losing time on this one.
No matter what, her being suspicious or fearful of us due to her previous affectation is also an opportunity to demonstrate our professionalism by showing that we don't let a grudge from a previous job dictate our actions in this one.
At this point, I am even beginning to think that the insistence in not going is deliberate sabotage to not join Hana, and if it is, it pisses me off, we voted for it, now is not the time to get cold feet and sabotage our future.
If you absolutely want to go in two groups, at least have us take rose to the hideout, she is most likely hiding something related to it, and putting her in front of the fact that we know already is beneficial to us.
Stop trying to dodge the revelation just like she is, go and confront it, and show we are a professional by not letting an old job control what we do know.
I said it before, I'll say it again: Don't split the party, and actually go to the thorn's hideout with Rose, the biggest elements in our favor against any other possible candidate to finish this mission is our knowledge of it, stop dodging it and make her cough up the knowledge about it she is hiding.
The sooner we get her to reveal the potential links of this affair with the thorns, the better we'll be, even just having her explain in details how it isn't related would be better, as it would allows us to put all efforts in something else instead of losing time on this one.
No matter what, her being suspicious or fearful of us due to her previous affectation is also an opportunity to demonstrate our professionalism by showing that we don't let a grudge from a previous job dictate our actions in this one.
At this point, I am even beginning to think that the insistence in not going is deliberate sabotage to not join Hana, and if it is, it pisses me off, we voted for it, now is not the time to get cold feet and sabotage our future.
If you absolutely want to go in two groups, at least have us take rose to the hideout, she is most likely hiding something related to it, and putting her in front of the fact that we know already is beneficial to us.
Stop trying to dodge the revelation just like she is, go and confront it, and show we are a professional by not letting an old job control what we do know.
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It's not really sabotage, I just don't think whatever is in Thorns' hideout is relevant to the mission. I'd rather Ciel go down this path and see where it takes him, following the original plan of not engaging too much with the events of a previous job.
As simple as that in this matter I do not share your opinion about the relevance of certain things.
And please, lower your alarmist tone.
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Better to have Rose cough up and tell us one way or the other quickly, than dance around the subject and lose time on *is it or not?*
I want certainty, and I don't see how finding out that there is actually something happening around the hideout would lower the suspicion on this path rather than make it higher.
Frankly, out of the three main options, the one about searching their path in the backstreet is the one I see as completely worthless, the jade office can tell us this one with more detail potentially, and we did confirm something was happening in he hideout, the hideout in the backstreets the father could have an already established reason to go to.
Some voters made quite clear that they don't want to join Hana, at this point, you can't help but wonder, and I did say if.
There are definitely votes for other reasons, but from those that told as much....
I mean, your insistence on bring Rose to the hideout is based on an assumption that she would be all cooperative and spill her guts once we confront her. You keep saying that 'Ciel can show they are a professional' and stuff, but that was never the issue.
The issue is Rose. I don't trust her to not get agitated, and either completely shut off, run away, suspect the group, or try to forcefully take the reins in fear of Ciel.
The hideout seems irrelevant before too, and even more so now. This is just my thoughts, but all I can think of is that if Ciel brings her there with no relevant clue pointing to the place, all it shows to her is that Ciel is still hang up on the whole incident. I just do not see your happy cooperation with Rose happening right now.
I think we are already zeroing in on some good info, and we don't need 5 people for an interrogation. So we should just push on with the leads.
[x] Character distribution
-[x] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[x] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
The issue is Rose. I don't trust her to not get agitated, and either completely shut off, run away, suspect the group, or try to forcefully take the reins in fear of Ciel.
The hideout seems irrelevant before too, and even more so now. This is just my thoughts, but all I can think of is that if Ciel brings her there with no relevant clue pointing to the place, all it shows to her is that Ciel is still hang up on the whole incident. I just do not see your happy cooperation with Rose happening right now.
I think we are already zeroing in on some good info, and we don't need 5 people for an interrogation. So we should just push on with the leads.
[x] Character distribution
-[x] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[x] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
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This reason is why I want everyone there too, that way, she knows fleeing is not an option.
She doesn't want to talk? She is clearly hiding something and just that is a hint.
It:
-Gives a reason for the fahter to be going in the backstreets.
-What do you mean, even less relevant now? We just got confirmation that there was something happening there, that's not irrelevant, that's the complete opposite of irrelevant, it gives us a potential way for what made the father disappear, whatever made the zombies.
-Ciel was the one that had the hunch in the first place, I trust their instinct, they are the one in the world feeling the stakes.
Not really?
If we attacked her after reaching the place, I could see what you say, but if all we say is *We know you were in the thorns, do you think it could be relevant?* That's not *being hung up on the incident* that's asking your clients about potentially relevant information.
Where did the terms *make her cough up the truth* and other things like that made you think I anticipate only for the *happy cooperation* amongst the possibilities?
I am well aware she may not be cooperative, but just her not being cooperative and how she reacts is information.
I ask for confronting her and putting the whole thing in the light, right now, we are slowed down no matter what because this part of her past is not one she wants to reveal, pierce the abscess once and for all so we can either continue or move on to something else.
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Like, I really have no idea how anyone can conclude that this update made the hideout less relevant, it's, like, *we investigate a place where someone may have disappeared, oh, there are zombies there, clearly, there is nothing that could have made the person disappear, not like the zombies could be connected, definitely not a clue*.
And I see that and I think: Really?
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[X] Character distribution
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
*Look at last vote*
Oh for fudge sake.
The backstreet trail is unnecessary, we can get it from the office, no need to double down on that, let's investigate the very visible and real incident right at the place where we know the client has interests.
If the vote to get more info without the hideout wins and turns us towards the hideout, I am going to say *told you so* so hard, you have no idea.
Because that's what I see coming, us losing a turn searching for where they went, and getting directed right where we thought it was.
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Here is a plan for those that wants to actually investigate all the hints we actually got:
[] Character distribution
-[] Maria and Hifumi go to Jade's Office.
-[] Giano, Rose, and Ciel investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
That makes much more sense than searching the backstreet at this point, we have a potential end point, and we have a way to check quickly just in case it isn't, we just had a part about *maybe you should have began the investigation by the potential end point to see if they were there?* in the update, really should apply the lesson.
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Actually, you know what? Fuck it, you want to split the party, let's split the party:
[X] Character distribution
-[X] Maria go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
-[X] Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
There, Hifumi is the best one we have to go investigate in the backstreets, and Maria can go take care of the office, we go to the place where we can make our client reveal if she is hiding relevant information that would actually help the job.
*All for Hana*
Oh for fudge sake.
The backstreet trail is unnecessary, we can get it from the office, no need to double down on that, let's investigate the very visible and real incident right at the place where we know the client has interests.
If the vote to get more info without the hideout wins and turns us towards the hideout, I am going to say *told you so* so hard, you have no idea.
Because that's what I see coming, us losing a turn searching for where they went, and getting directed right where we thought it was.
Edit:
Here is a plan for those that wants to actually investigate all the hints we actually got:
[] Character distribution
-[] Maria and Hifumi go to Jade's Office.
-[] Giano, Rose, and Ciel investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
That makes much more sense than searching the backstreet at this point, we have a potential end point, and we have a way to check quickly just in case it isn't, we just had a part about *maybe you should have began the investigation by the potential end point to see if they were there?* in the update, really should apply the lesson.
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Actually, you know what? Fuck it, you want to split the party, let's split the party:
[X] Character distribution
-[X] Maria go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
-[X] Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
There, Hifumi is the best one we have to go investigate in the backstreets, and Maria can go take care of the office, we go to the place where we can make our client reveal if she is hiding relevant information that would actually help the job.
*All for Hana*
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The hideout is irrelevant for finding Holly compared to talking to Jade Office, or following where the trail of the feathers. The 'zombies' are unusual, but there is nothing pointing to it being related to Holly's disappearance. They could just as well be a product of someone else that moved in after the thorn incident.
Even the notes is saying the hideout is 'likely unrelated'. It's really not something I want to deal with right now until we get more clues pointing back to the place.
Or, she could make our investigation miserable by reacting poorly to the confrontation. We don't even know if what she is worried about has anything to do with the thorns. We don't have any information to confront her with other than her relation with the thorns, which could just as well be completely irrelevant for this case.
At the very least, I don't want to deal with a Rose that is constantly suspecting us, trying to get away and making protecting her difficult, or insisting on replacing us just because we try to pull a confrontation on a mere hunch.
Even the notes is saying the hideout is 'likely unrelated'. It's really not something I want to deal with right now until we get more clues pointing back to the place.
Or, she could make our investigation miserable by reacting poorly to the confrontation. We don't even know if what she is worried about has anything to do with the thorns. We don't have any information to confront her with other than her relation with the thorns, which could just as well be completely irrelevant for this case.
At the very least, I don't want to deal with a Rose that is constantly suspecting us, trying to get away and making protecting her difficult, or insisting on replacing us just because we try to pull a confrontation on a mere hunch.
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Rose is already partially hostile to us, frankly, confronting her about the hideout is not really in risks of making the situation significantly worse IMO.
If she is not hiding this particular thing, then at least we'll be able to move on to something else, she already isn't helping us in our investigation anyway, not anymore, what with all our trails being in the backstreets where she is worthless.
If she is not hiding this particular thing, then at least we'll be able to move on to something else, she already isn't helping us in our investigation anyway, not anymore, what with all our trails being in the backstreets where she is worthless.
Alright, I overlooked Rose showing up because it seemed like a funny coincidence, but now this is starting to get suspicious. I'm starting to wonder if the Index is somehow involved in all of this because it's starting to feel very "Will of the City" with how many coincidences are happening around us.
In other news, we have a potential Blood Fiend hanging around, which would be... slightly problematic depending on if they're a named one. I wonder if Rose's dad had a Blood Fiend locked up in the base's basement without her knowing about it, and when he went to retrieve it something happened.
[X] Character distribution
-[X] Maria go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel investigate what is going on around the Thorns hideout
-[X] Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
Gonna have to disagree, she is being rather cooperative so far. Disgruntments over our capabilities aside, she pretty much has been giving Ciel control over the decisions for the most part, other than her insisting on following Ciel, or going on a wrap train instead of moving on foot.
Heck, she even paid for Ciel and Giano's tickets, if she was actively hostile, I doubt she would have bothered. And that would have hurt our time or wallet. A lot of the information we got this chapter waa paid for with her money as well.
Basically saying she can make our lives harder if she wants to. I really don't think she is the type able to put hostility aside for the sake of finding her father.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
[X] Character distribution
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
Uh...I'm gonna go with the original plan I made since Naron himself stated that the blood-fiend zombies are "Likely" unrelated.
-[X] Giano, Rose, and Ciel go to Jade's Office.
-[X] Maria and Hifumi try following the Feathers' trail through the Backstreets.
Uh...I'm gonna go with the original plan I made since Naron himself stated that the blood-fiend zombies are "Likely" unrelated.
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To be honest, I think it's a turnoff. Perhaps with its own reward/risk. Not relevant to the mission (or even detrimental), but with its own "something."
Like meeting Angelica (or Roland) early as a contact, or dealing along the lines of something like a mini-Elena taking baby steps towards her
Of course, both possibilities might not well be worth the risk at this point, or the interest. The reward could be as good as coming up with something that will bite us in the ass later for gaining unwanted attention as having acknowledged the existence of fucking vampires.
I keep wondering how Naron considers all these paths and possibilities, or how he improvises or maintains balance.
Even if the zombies are, you know what isn't?
What they distract from, their presence could very well have hidden the actual thing we would have found if we came here with Rose, particularly since it's difficult to get her reaction to it if she doesn't even come to it.
I still think that the fact the vote decided to go without the main reason to go made us waste a turn and we would be better placed if we actually had committed and not gotten cold feet and gone with the interested party instead of distracting her with a field trip.
If we had done the groups the other way round, we most likely still would have learnt about what we learnt, but we also potentially would have a definitive answer from Rose's mouth herself.
I don't want to make the same mistake again, let's actually go this time.