Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
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[X] Plan: a very debately..."human"
So? Yer point?Honestly I don't understand the need to have "To be the Greatest fighter in the world" in every vote, especially wrt the RR army vote. Like I suspect that some of it is from the thought that if we don't we'll be quickly eclipsed, but even leaving aside how people like Tien and Krillin and Goku are still going to be around, most of the hardest fights are caused by the Z-Fighters' actions anyway.
In short, we have to have a combined force stronger than 1500 in 12 years, and a combined force in the FPSSJ / SSJ2 range in 25 years. This doesn't have to be us, either. I mean, yes, it's Dragonball, and being a strong fighter is fun, but we don't have to have "getting strong" be our goal to the extent that it does for the likes of Goku or Vegeta. We could probably get by with just picking up fusion dance from otherworld since it's just a stupidly strong technique.
- RR Army / Tao (? Years): Not necessarily a fight we have to pick, especially not as soon as goku does; Power Level <200.
- King Piccolo (4 Years): Caused by allowing Pilaf to run free, easily preventable; Power Level mid 200s
- Piccolo Junior (7 Years): Caused by the narrow defeat of king piccolo, it's preventable by either tracking down the egg or by just stopping piccolo; Power Level <400
- Raditz (12 Years): Not really avoidable; Power level 1500
- Vegeta & Nappa (13 years): Just don't mention the dragonballs and they probably won't disobey freeza to come to earth; Power Level 18,000
- Freeza Force (13 Years): Same prevention as w/ Vegeta; Power Level up to 120,000 (30,000 pre-ginyus arrival)
- Freeza (13 Years): Same prevention as previous two, and even if we do end up wanting to take him down there's no reason it has to be right then; power level >100 Million (500,000 untransformed, so don't let him).
- Freeza and King Kold (15 years): extremely easy to butterfly; Power Level >100 Million
- Androids (18 years): Just take out the rr army (or for rr army vote, make it potentially unnecessary?); Power Level >SSJ
- Cell (18 years): Don't make it so bad time machines become necessary / Don't fuck up with trunks returning to the future; SSJ2>Power Level>FPSSJ (way lower earlier)
- Babidi and Dabura (25 Years): No real way to prevent this; SSJ2>Power Level>FPSSJ
- Maijin Buu (25 years): Just beat Dabura and Babidi; SSJ3>Power Level>SSJ2
- Super Buu (25 years): Just beat Dabura / babidi, or beat Buu early, or butterfly away him meeting Mr. Satan; FPGohan>Power Level>SSJ3
- Kid Buu (25 years): If it gets to this you fucked up
- Beerus (29 years): Beerus doesn't need to be a fight at all, just don't maijin buu near him and have food ready; Power Level N/A because he isn't getting beaten outside of potara SSJBlue or smth like that.
- Golden Freeza (29 Years): Don't be that idiot who lets him get revived, or just don't let buu be unsealed so he cbad to train
- Universe 6 Tournament (30 Years): There's no real stakes to losing here unless we have some burning desire to stay in universe 7
- Goku Black (30 years): Either u7 is stong enough to show off in u6 arc,a nd thus is probably strong enough for the arc to go as canon, or it doesn't and Zamasu never conceives of his plan in the first place.
- Universe Survival Saga (31 years): Caused by Goku
No? A quest can entirely have character who stay at about one level of power for most or all of the story, or characters who are very much not the strongest even within their faction; illiad quest is a petty good example of the latter, as is Zerban's DHQ, while stuff like meow quest, BAHHSCQ or no matter what happens, I won't become an anime character are examples of the former. Physical combat is not and really shouldn't be the sole challenge within a quest.So? Yer point?
This is a quest man. A game where the character will keep evolving till' the end. The character cannot stagnate or be marginalized or there wouldn't be much of a story in the first place.
And finally as yer said this is the DBverse everything is about martial arts, ki, power levels and planet-destroying moves.
I don't understand. Illiad Quest is not based on a DB setting. DB revolve around fighting. When someone say Dragon Ball first image that came up to mind are screaming muscled men tearing apart the landscape. This is the base of DB. Being a side character here will not amount to much unless the QM is planning for a slice of life with the occasional exitement.No? A quest can entirely have character who stay at about one level of power for most or all of the story, or characters who are very much not the strongest even within their faction; illiad quest is a petty good example of the latter, as is Zerban's DHQ, while stuff like meow quest, BAHHSCQ or no matter what happens, I won't become an anime character are examples of the former. Physical combat is not and really shouldn't be the sole challenge within a quest.
That's true about DBZ onward, but Dragon Ball is very much an adventure show with a tinge of martial arts; journey to the west on a different fantasy background. The point of my post, then, was that we don't actually need to have the absurd level of power we'd get from monofocusing on combat skills, even later on.
I don't understand. Illiad Quest is not based on a DB setting. DB revolve around fighting. When someone say Dragon Ball first image that came up to mind are screaming muscled men tearing apart the landscape. This is the base of DB. Being a side character here will not amount to much unless the QM is planning for a slice of life with the occasional exitement.
If ya wanted something not based on Physical power there is a lot of quests like that, there is even one where we play as a pure diplomacy focused character who doesn't even know how to throw a punch and I voted for that one but DB isn't really the kind of setting for that.
(Aside: Illiad Quest is also rather fighting based - it's the goddamn trojan war - the point was that you could have quests where you weren't the strongest even in a combat focused setting)I don't understand. Illiad Quest is not based on a DB setting. DB revolve around fighting. When someone say Dragon Ball first image that came up to mind are screaming muscled men tearing apart the landscape. This is the base of DB. Being a side character here will not amount to much unless the QM is planning for a slice of life with the occasional exitement.
If ya wanted something not based on Physical power there is a lot of quests like that, there is even one where we play as a pure diplomacy focused character who doesn't even know how to throw a punch and I voted for that one but DB isn't really the kind of setting for that.
Oh no, when I said DB I was including the entire series from the original to GT and Super. Still, I agree.
One of my favorite one was that old chinese assassin that was defeated and came back as an android, I think he was the brother of Tenshin's master. Always found him funny as a kid.I kinda miss the days of rabbit mob bosses turning people into carrots, and hypnosis techniques. Hell, it's been over a decade, but wasn't there an assassin who murdered a guy with his tongue?.
Ya are pulling at straws here.(Aside: Illiad Quest is also rather fighting based - it's the goddamn trojan war - the point was that you could have quests where you weren't the strongest even in a combat focused setting)
That's true from Dragon Ball Z onward, but not for dragonball; Dragonball is a martial arts adventures series. if you look at the tags and title, as well as the descriptor text, you'll note that the author has chosen to tag this as a dragonball quest, not Z or Super. Bulma, for instance, is a main character in dragonball rather than the background enabler she becomes later on; other non-combat characters such as oolong or puar or to an extent Yamcha also have far more representation in dragonball than in Z -> on.
All right!
Votes called, and [X] Plan: a very debately..."human" won. But I'll write [X] Plan Actually Well Adjusted
Ya are the QM. The guy who have the power here. But that wasn't really a good move.All right!
Votes called, and [X] Plan: a very debately..."human" won. But I'll write [X] Plan Actually Well Adjusted
The reason is simple. I both liked it more and it wasn't a large difference in votes between the plans (7vs5), and I would like to think my own 'vote' as being worth at least that much.
Results of the very first vote and you ignore it.
That's not good.
Ya are the QM. The guy who have the power here. But that wasn't really a good move.
Ya just ignored the majority of yer players choice and went with what ya liked most, its not a Quest anymore then. I understand if ya do that in case of a tie but here...
Ya will kinda lose the initial players and the next ones. I mean how could they trust ya when they knew ya can overwrite their vote and that ya already did.
In a Quest the flow of the story is decided by the players. If ya don't like that 'User Fiction' is better for ya.
And before anyone say anything. I didn't vote for any of those plans but mine. I'm not biased.
Yeah, that was Mercenary Tao / Tao Pai Pai. He was introduced in the red ribbon army arc.I kinda miss the days of rabbit mob bosses turning people into carrots, and hypnosis techniques. Hell, it's been over a decade, but wasn't there an assassin who murdered a guy with his tongue?.
Yeah, that's the same guyOne of my favorite one was that old chinese assassin that was defeated and came back as an android, I think he was the brother of Tenshin's master. Always found him funny as a kid.
There are differences, but not relevant ones. They're both largely combat-based fantasy settings, and you said that "this is the DBverse everything is about martial arts, ki, power levels and planet-destroying moves" is the reason why that doesn't apply. The only difference between that descriptor and the myths of the Trojan war aside from terminology is planet busting, and guess which of those doesn't happen much in dragon ball?Ya are pulling at straws here.
There is a difference between an ancient greek myth and a Fighting Japanese anime.
Just because its named dragon ball doesn't mean its only focused on the original series. I mean on one of yer previous post ya were assuming our power level from now to the Cell arc. That's contradicting yourself. DB is universally know as talking about the whole series.
Bulma in the original was a fanservice character till' DBZ came along. I mean what with her outfits, flashing nude several times(One with master Roshin and the other with his sister the witch and her arena challenges and all). It was pretty obvious. Even het name means panties.
Results of the very first vote and you ignore it.
That's not good.
It's true that Quests are collaborative works between players and the QM, but the key word there is collaborative; the QM has at least as much say as the players do. Generally, this is done through simply not listing vote options or through weighted votes, but with write-ins those aren't options. Unless the QM is getting paid to write the quest, they always have the right to refuse write-ins; even leaving aside how they aren't obligated to write anything for you, there is almost nothing that kills a quest faster than a QM writing something that doesn't interest them.Ya are the QM. The guy who have the power here. But that wasn't really a good move.
Ya just ignored the majority of yer players choice and went with what ya liked most, its not a Quest anymore then. I understand if ya do that in case of a tie but here...
Ya will kinda lose the initial players and the next ones. I mean how could they trust ya when they knew ya can overwrite their vote and that ya already did.
In a Quest the flow of the story is decided by the players. If ya don't like that 'User Fiction' is better for ya.
And before anyone say anything. I didn't vote for any of those plans but mine. I'm not biased.
What are ya talking about? Trojan war is talking about how Helen escaped with her lover Paris when she was supposed to be married to the King of Sparta and the ensuing war.There are differences, but not relevant ones. They're both largely combat-based fantasy settings, and you said that "this is the DBverse everything is about martial arts, ki, power levels and planet-destroying moves" is the reason why that doesn't apply. The only difference between that descriptor and the myths of the Trojan war aside from terminology is planet busting, and guess which of those doesn't happen much in dragon ball?
That was not a contradiction; rather,I have found it to be a common problem in quests that people tend to worry about long-term events disproportionately in quests, and think that they might be screwing themselves over later if they don't pick Z, Y, and Z early on. It might be a vestige from videogames that do punish that, or just a mindset thing, or part of the quest culture; I have no idea where it comes from, but I have seen to and I sought to allay those concerns. Honestly, even if it does turn out that we need X absurd amount of combat power later, I still don't think it'd be necessary to have combat be our main focus now, because quests that last for in universe decades are rare outside of civilization quests.
As for the QM's choice. It wouldn't change the fact that players will be disatisfied about their choice they voted on to be ignored.To quote someone: A QM needs flexibility, to be able to look at an idea that the players have come up with and go ''Well, that's not what I planned, but I can move around a few things and fit it in.''
That's the point of a Quest where the flow of the story is directed by the Players. And its in the name too 'Player', they can't be players if their choices doesn't count. That's like for ya to jump but the game decided to take a step back instead.
Anyway this is but my opinion and as I said the QM is the one with the power and how he wants to do his quests. I don't argue with people's opinion because that would be pointless.
Not necessarily. That human can be given the potential without giving the power.To be fair, the title of the quest is "A Human Quest for Power" and the winning vote calls for playing someone who could be questionably called human, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of this quest. For comparison: Playing as a fresh Imperial Guard soldier and then creating a backstory that has him have augmented at half the level of a space marine.
Going on a different topic, you know what would be awesome? A Bulma quest where we take on the universe(s) with our MAD Science! Unless there is already one that I missed?Not necessarily. That human can be given the potential without giving the power.
There is a difference.
There is actually. Can't remember the name tho.Going on a different topic, you know what would be awesome? A Bulma quest where we take on the universe(s) with our MAD Science! Unless there is already one that I missed?