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A cyborg in the Wasteland [Fallout] [Self-insert]

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Logos01 said:
Firepower and power armor covers a lot of diplomatic sins. Like capturing said insane people whilst they are asleep, and keeping them in cages while beating them into submission or death one by one while the rest watch.

This is what I meant by "full Russian Commissar".
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There's a chance not even that would work, all Wildmen suffer from severe neurological damage and a psychological condition, and 20% of people infected with TDC will further devolve into Trogs. All of this thanks to a contagion found in the air and water called the Troglodyte Degenerative Contagion (TDC) that has plagued The Pitt for 173 years. People have tried to 'tame' them before only for it to go badly.
 
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AzrielIlluminare said:
There's a chance not even that would work, all Wildmen suffer from severe neurological damage and a psychological condition, and 20% of people infected with TDC will further devolve into Trogs. All of this thanks to a contagion found in the air and water called the Troglodyte Degenerative Contagion (TDC) that has plagued The Pitt for 173 years. People have tried to 'tame' them before only for it to go badly.
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Ehh. To people who already have no value for "tribals", a 2% success rate in "domesticating" them would be good enough in their eyes. At least to start with.

cestus41 said:
Question is do they know that and more importantly…. Are they gona be nice enough that someone will tell them
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Or humane enough to care. After all, they'd be using the "auxiliaries" as disposable shock troops anyhow.
 
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cestus41 said:
Question is do they know that and more importantly…. Are they gona be nice enough that someone will tell them
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They might vaguely know of TDC. They definitely know the place is a hellscape from The Scourge when they came through on their way to DC in 2255. They would've encountered Trogs and Wildmen, but they might think they killed them all seeing as the Brotherhood literally walked through the city 'shooting anything that looked like it'd put up a fight.'
 
On the topic of the BoS, where is mini-Arthur Maxson? He should be about 8 or so by this point right? What is even going to happen to him since I doubt the Lyons will be kicking the bucket the way they did in canon if at all anytime soon and the Outcast blew themselves up(as far as Lyons knows), will he still make Elder at way too young an age?
 
Hellboy323 said:
On the topic of the BoS, where is mini-Arthur Maxson? He should be about 8 or so by this point right? What is even going to happen to him since I doubt the Lyons will be kicking the bucket the way they did in canon if at all anytime soon and the Outcast blew themselves up(as far as Lyons knows), will he still make Elder at way too young an age?
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I'm not sure. But he seemed to look up to both Elder Lyons and Sarah Lyons in FO3, so if Elder Lyons doesn't die of old age (I imagine most of his organs have been transplanted with cloned copies by now, along with many of the elderly Brotherhood) and if Sarah Lyons doesn't mysteriously die shortly thereafter I would guess he would grow up and emulate the people he looked up to.

Just imagine, Elder Lyons died and Sarah Lyons died, then a bunch of incompetents ran the Brotherhood for years, all the while this faction of it was telling you how much better job you'd do, how you were born to it, stories about your great great great etc grandpop, etc etc. Its no wonder he was molded into just what they wanted.
 
Hellboy323 said:
On the topic of the BoS, where is mini-Arthur Maxson? He should be about 8 or so by this point right? What is even going to happen to him since I doubt the Lyons will be kicking the bucket the way they did in canon if at all anytime soon and the Outcast blew themselves up(as far as Lyons knows), will he still make Elder at way too young an age?
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In 2277 he's ten, so about 8 or 9 right now. I mean in FO4 he's only twenty, so once he's old enough to graduate from Squire to Initiate he'll begin training in full to see which branch he'll end up in but being the last Maxson he'll probably get pushed towards being a Knight and later a Paladin.

He might make Elder somewhere later down the line if Elder Lyons and Sarah don't die.

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Hell, they might send Arthur to the school in Megaton so he interacts with children his age so he gets to socialize with them and that could make a huge difference for the future.
 
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SpiraSpira said:
I'm not sure. But he seemed to look up to both Elder Lyons and Sarah Lyons in FO3, so if Elder Lyons doesn't die of old age (I imagine most of his organs have been transplanted with cloned copies by now, along with many of the elderly Brotherhood) and if Sarah Lyons doesn't mysteriously die shortly thereafter I would guess he would grow up and emulate the people he looked up to.

Just imagine, Elder Lyons died and Sarah Lyons died, then a bunch of incompetents ran the Brotherhood for years, all the while this faction of it was telling you how much better job you'd do, how you were born to it, stories about your great great great etc grandpop, etc etc. Its no wonder he was molded into just what they wanted.
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Oh I have no doubt that's exactly what happened, despite essentially spitting on Roger Maxson's grave with their ideology, they sure like to use the Maxson name as a rally point, and with a Maxson free of Lyons influence all it would take is one high ranking person who agreed with the Outcasts but didn't want to go traitor whispering in his ear and boom, FO4 Arthur is spawned.

Elitism just...with sorta softer words..
 
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I am sure Arthur would be better off with Sarah and Elder Lyons alive and hope it goes better in this fanfic - but it's not like he was two years old when they died. Arthur Maxson knew full well what they believed in - and he turned his back on their beliefs and spat on their graves, whatever encouragement from 'incompetents' he got to do so.

He had his reasons, but the long and short of it is Elder Lyons and Sarah were a rare exception to the strong push for elitism that has run in the Brotherhood since Roger Maxson's son put it forward and Arthur just didn't care enough to push back all that much.

He did better than some Brotherhood factions have with recruitment but they're still pretty ugly in Fallout 4.

I'd say Lily is taking a big risk trusting them this much, even with Sarah in a better position and a recent purge.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
I'd say Lily is taking a big risk trusting them this much, even with Sarah in a better position and a recent purge.
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The hell she is.

Elder Lyons has multiple decades worth of more lifespan in him now than he had in canon. Maybe only two, but two is clearly enough to make a pretty massive difference. Especially as this means that by the time he dies and young Maxwell gains Elder status, said "Young Master" will likely be into his thirties rather than his early teens. And those teen and early adult years -- the most pivotal formative years to inform the man Maxwell will become -- will not only have been spent under Elder Lyons' tutelage... they'll have been spent in a DC Brotherhood that has been almost completely purged of its xenophobic elements and will have had any plausibility of its elitism consistently ground into dust by the footprint of Post-Lily Megaton and its shadow throughout all of the DC Wasteland.

To add insult into injury, the actions that such xenophobic betrayal would take would cost the BoS literally thousands of energy weapons, powered armor suits, and fusion cores ... and hundreds if not thousands of recruits.

The writing is literally on the wall there: cooperation with technologically sophisticated outsiders is necessary for the BoS to survive in the new landscape: and since the tech-genie is out of the bottle, it's up to them to work from within the outsiders' ranks to ensure they don't repeat the horrors of reckless use of technology -- and preventing said horrors is literally the BoS' raison d'etre.

"The scorpion must sting the frog" is not only not valid under the Lyons, but a betrayal of the reason the BoS exists.

And on the flip side? Lily has a literal army. One that is growing in numbers and competence with each passing day. So if the Maxwell-led Brotherhood DO betray her and Megaton in something like twenty years' time? That's not going down without a fight. And if she somehow loses that fight? She and her "cute little Apprentice" still have The Mechanist's Vault as a fallback bolthole -- something the BoS know nothing about.

So yeah. This ain't yo grandcanon's BoS and even if it were Lily's Own Spiders could give them a solid run for their money.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
I'd say Lily is taking a big risk trusting them this much, even with Sarah in a better position and a recent purge.
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'Trust' is a pretty contextual word with Lily though. Sarah is someone she currently trusts, quite a bit in fact for how minimal their contact has been. The rest of the Brotherhood is still mostly on their own, with some lee-way from the trust for Sarah's leadership.

As is? Power Armored troops are allowed into Megaton because Lily is an Anarchist at heart and doesn't like making rules besides the really obvious ones. They'll STAY in Megaton because Lily will have the capacity to neutralize them any time she chooses (by hordes of bots, or tazer beams that bypass armor and very conspicuously haven't been demonstrated yet).

Well, all that and because Lily still has to make pretenses about respecting Nuclear powers. She's well on her way to taking over orbital control, and her combo of radar, super-computing, and powerful coil-guns should soon give her Ballistic/Cruise interception capability.

But actually admitting she's a nuclear power, or on her way to being effectively nuclear-proof, could be quite troublesome, hence keeping a certain amount of visible cooperation. And the BoS are not a group a 'lesser' organization can just ignore or deny, even if they're powerful/useful enough to demand a certain amount of courtesy in turn. (Or at least, that's what the Social Muse probably tells Lily.)
 
Thunder999 said:
The Pitt Raiders and Wildmen really aren't that well equipped, I could see 20 power armoured soldiers doing some serious damage.
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They have plenty of industrial tools as weapons, concrete saws and the like, so I don't think it'll be too hard to crack open those tin cans. Though I expect either sneak attacks or mass casualty human wave tactics to succeed.
 
The settlement starting up outside Vault 108 was sort of brushed over, but I think sounds very interesting. Especially as it will likely draw in a bigger crowd than even Canterbury Commons did, what with all that easy water available, just as Lily pointed out here at Megaton. Lily might want to help out with the city planning there too before it becomes an unmanagable shanty town, but it kinda sounds like she has her hands full right now.
 
Ok, as a molecular biologist I have to say: @SpiraSpira, you have an impressive grasp on biology. The things that are wrong are obscure enough that you could have passed yourself off as a grad student and I'd have believed you.
 
Ha, honestly incorporating the BoS into schooling is quite clever, given their insular nature they have to be very good at teaching new generations.

They probably have one of the oldest and most successful educational institutions in the Wasteland, maybe only behind the Enclave and the Institute.
 
Sterr said:
Ok, as a molecular biologist I have to say: @SpiraSpira, you have an impressive grasp on biology. The things that are wrong are obscure enough that you could have passed yourself off as a grad student and I'd have believed you.
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Awww yeah! That's my sweet spot, where my bullshit seem plausible to like 95% of the people who read it! 😂

I have a graduate degree in Computer Science, although I did take undergraduate organic chemistry for fun, because everyone said it was a really hard course and half the people failed, etc. It was kind of hard, but mainly just for memorization needed and I had a lot of good memorization strategies. Solid B!
 
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So, Lily has underground tunneling equipment, right?

There is a Train yard on the north side of the river, is it connected to N. Potomac?

Curious about the blocked off unseen stations.
 
It is interesting to see how the Children of Atom reacted to the city's rule by their saint. Especially if she decided to dispose of the filtered radiation waste by giving it to the cult. Plus if she sells her genetic enhancements against radiation correctly...
 
This story is interesting and I'm enjoying it for the most part but there's a part that's been bothering me about it for a while now and I don't have the patience to finish the rest of the story before asking about it.

Why is Lily so bad at reading social cues and at socializing in general? It seemed at the start of the story she was better at this and got worse and worse as the story went on. I understand that she's supposed to have some kind of issue that makes these things more difficult for her but the part I have a problem with is why someone so supposedly smart and radically in favour of transhumanism wouldn't have solved the issue by now?

Not only does she have 300 years of data on human interactions and reactions to her as a spider robot to analyze but she also has memories of herself as a relatively normal human to compare those to in order to determine what physical cues merit signal particular emotions and responses. I would have expected that alone to be enough for her to have been able to train herself to read people.

Even if she has such a large issue reading people that she's actually physically incapable of learning she has a full sensory map of her brain and that of her apprentice through their brain computers to compare in order to determine what specific part of the brain is responsible for the ability to read people. From there I would have expected her to be able to either use her brain computer to emulate that part or develop an implant to regain the ability she might need to learn to read people herself.

It's not like this is an unimportant ability either. Being able to tell why people are reacting in a certain way is pretty important to functioning in society, especially if she wants to be in a position of power. It's also screwed her over in terms of information gathering several times like when she was mistaken for a courser and just drove off rather than bother thinking about why people would randomly attack her.

Similarly she also seems to want to be in a relationship to some degree but apparently is so severely antisocial she can't stand to interact with even her surrogate daughter for more than a day at a time. This seems like another thing which would be helpfully corrected by a little brain surgery. At the very least making herself indifferent to spending time with people would be an improvement. Maybe this is too transhuman for her but it seems well within her technological reach and someone comfortable with running 4 copies of themselves at a time and unconcerned with dying as long as they have a recent backup doesn't seem like someone who would shy away from this sort of the thing.

Anyway this is pretty much the only gripe I have with this story. The rest of it is fantastic! Keep it up.
 
LordOfMurder said:
Why is Lily so bad at reading social cues and at socializing in general? It seemed at the start of the story she was better at this and got worse and worse as the story went on. I understand that she's supposed to have some kind of issue that makes these things more difficult for her but the part I have a problem with is why someone so supposedly smart and radically in favour of transhumanism wouldn't have solved the issue by now?
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Well, she did have something that was supposed to be helping her by giving her social ques of what to do/react, but she stopped using it as it was unreliable at best and seriously wrong at worst and if I remember rightly, she decided to try and learn to cope herself. She also had something like this in her last life, that was far more on point and she used it in all of her interactions and as such, she relied on it for almost all her 300 years of life, which I suspect is what totally stunted her social ability, which has carried over to her new life. It will take her a long time to get better and even then it's highly unlikely she'll ever really get over it.

Overall though, I think she's come a loooooong way from how she was in her last life. Which I'm pretty convinced she was functionally insane person with murder hobo issues.
 
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