- Location
- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Move over Saint George. Lily's the real Dragonslayer now.
A cyborg in the Wasteland [Fallout] [Self-insert]
- Thread starter SpiraSpira
- Start date
- Novel Sci-Fi
- Location
- zwolle
wel only the right people it might be a kinder version of the brotherhood but its still the brotherhood of steel
- Pronouns
- She
I love Lily, she comes at things at such an odd angle. When she does stuff to genuinely help people it both comes across as "yeah that's something Lily would do" and "no one else would do it that way, why"
- Location
- Outside of the Omniverse slowly breaking in
Huh, know that I thought about I think Both Lily and the Brotherhood are going to end upgrading their power armor. Making sure that the brain has a full life support and that the head can be easily taken from a suit in an emergency since if all you need is the head you can bring more people back to base and it just became a lot easier to save people since if all you need is the brain to survive. Emergency extraction might literally be to just guillotine the head off and getting it to a cloning center for a new body while its in stasis. I can see Lily doing that and people commenting on her French showing when she implements it and the Brotherhood end up copying her even if the idea is crazy it still works.
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He's an uberrich CEO from fascist America. You simply don't become as powerful and rich as House was without toeing the party line, that's not how fascism works lmao.
So he's a nazi-equivalent from the ancient past who wants to oppress people with an army of killbots. Do you need another reason?
- Location
- miami
She is providing the DC brotherhood some major power ups here, all there disabled veterans back in actions and anyone who wants it a body back in the prime of there life between all that and all the orphans they are taking on by the time they get in contact with the other chapters they will be two different to get along.
Thanks for the chapter good stuff.
Thanks for the chapter good stuff.
- Location
- England
Fun(?) thing about publicly owned companies, if they have the choice between two options:
a) Doing something (arguably) legal that is a dick move and will probably make them more money, b) Not doing that
then they are legally liable and can be sued if they choose option b).
While you're planning ahead, don't forget to plan to avoid overpopulating the Earth. The easiest way would probably be to make life off planet nicer for people.
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- Location
- State of Confusion
I can't help but think that the time is rapidly approaching where Lily will need to discuss with the Lyons as to why she's willing to work with their chapter of the Brotherhood, but would be very wary of getting involved with their West Coast counterparts. I know the two chapters aren't on speaking terms at the moment, but that's not necessarily a permanent state of affairs. If the West Coast reached out, the Lyons would accept the contact. For example, if their concerns about Lily outweigh their objections to how Owen Lyons runs things. Then, there's the fact that Arthur Maxson exists.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
Staff Notice: Rule 3 - This is not a civil way to disagree with someone.
He had nothing against any race that I can remember so he's not a nazi, good job tanking your own point by using 'nazi' as an equivalent to "big meanie poop head I don't like". His idea of oppression being imposing law and order as well as capitalist ideals of "if people have incentive to further science they will do so" in a manner he could direct towards getting off planet. So yes, I would like a valid reason to dislike House other than he's not trying to build a communist utopia that will inevitably kill millions of people like all the other ones.
Aside from being part of the very system that destroyed the world?
House is a petty tyrant who absolutely fucks over his stated motives based on his own personal grievances, and lacks any of the actual results to back up his claims.
House has literally nothing that isn't Services for Tourists, or automated Securitrons.
Schools to train up people in necessary trades for building an economy? Nope. Not only did he refuse to set up public services like that, he booted out the well-educated population of Vault 21 into the wastelands, instead of trying to use said well-educated population to try and build up New Vegas. All he really has is a bunch of tribals he's forcing to act like Mafiosos cause House is obsessed with the old world.
Industry to build any sort of functioning state? Nope. All he has is a single defunct Tools factory, a bottling plant or two, a Securitron storage bunker, and a Vault he filled in with concrete. Nothing else. All other infrastructure is either in ruins, overrun with Ghouls, or required NCR Engineers or Brotherhood Scribes to actually fix up and maintain (Hoover Dam and HELIOS One respectively).
- Location
- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
It often surprises people to learn that fascism in and of itself has nothing to do with racism. We use "Nazi" as an epithet for anti-semites because, well, the shoe fits -- but that doesn't mean that being a Nazi is all about hating jews.
Even the actual Nazis put a lot of people in death camps for reasons other than for being jewish (or black for that matter). Gay men, mentally handicapped, communists, gypsies -- all were equally at risk of the Pogrom. Hell, the literal reason we have "Asperger's Syndrome" as a label today is because of one Nazi doctor who wanted to subvert the execution of autistic people by creating a new label for the "useful" ones.
But even then -- that's all just about the pogrom/holocaust, and that isn't the core of fascism. Not by a long shot; just look at Mussolini's Italy. That all being said -- House came from pre-War America which was the worst combination of memetic 1950's America sociopolitically speaking possible. Anyone who has an inkling of what things were like under the McCarthyites should shudder to think of more than a century of unchecked McCarthyism run rampant, and what it would inevitably have to say about a primary corporate leader of said society.
Especially when we consider that the key defining characteristic of fascism is the dissolution of the "wall" between large corporations and the State, which is where that "national socialist" label comes from: the merger of the infrastructure of the state with the entrenched trade unions' rulerships. The part that gets people twisted about this is that the actual ruling was done by the guildmasters, not the workers. That is, the CEOs and not the employees.
So you could very readily say that House is a fascist; after all, he's a CEO who wants to rule the world while still being CEO.
On the subject of House, kinda wanna see the collaboration between the two, scientist to scientist. It's not like most of the factions on the setting aren't somewhere on the "being a dick" scale, I meant, including raiders, the institute, NCR, Aliens, the brotherhood, vault-tec, the enclave, etc...
Also, Still waiting for Lily to get her own miss Nanny sidekick. She still hasn't found one, and she said she was on the lookout for a miss nanny a long time ago.
Also, Still waiting for Lily to get her own miss Nanny sidekick. She still hasn't found one, and she said she was on the lookout for a miss nanny a long time ago.
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Pre-war America was explicitly fascist and throwing Asians in concentration camps and using them as slave labor, and fucking RobCo, Robert House's Company, built the computers they used to do it. He's a fascist plain and simple, who profited off of the suffering of millions. A bullet in the head is too good for him, honestly.
As for his "capitalist principles" and "law and order," lol. Lmao, even. We can see what the house regime did for the people who couldn't quite afford his Vegas. Fuck him.
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
Even if he isn't a nazi, he willingly collaborated with and enabled Fallout USA, which checked almost all the boxes most people would have for a fascist state and regularly engaged in atrocities that, while not quite as comperable to the sheer scope of the holocaust were certainly on the road to reaching it had the bombs not dropped. I think George Takei said it best:
View: https://imgur.com/led1mkb
And of course, that's before we get into the real reason people don't like House: he's an elitist authoritarian technocrat who only cares about civilization and people in the very abstract. If he gets power, sure, it'll benefit some subsections of humanity, but at the cost of many others getting screwed over and the remainder losing vast amounts of their freedom. You just have to look at the endings were he removes the Kings to see this.
Like there are arguments to be made for House I can see being valid but there are some very good reasons a lot of players pick the NCR or Independent over House.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
OK, that quote still doesn't mean that House could be called a nazi. he is neither German nor, to my knowledge, did he join the National Socialist party of Germany.
Gelasin
(Not A Fox)
- Location
- Sweden
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Sergeant
Fascism doesn't, Nazism do, they're not the same, or directly equivalent. You can be a Fascist without being racist, but you can't be a Nazi without being Racist, because Racial Purity is, in fact, a core tenet of Nazism. If you mean to call him a Fascist, then call him a fascist.
Also the "National Socialist" label has literally nothing to do with Fascism, At All. The Nazis called themselves "National Socialists" because they wanted to use the wave of popularity socialism were having in the region at the time, it has nothing to do with their actual policies. In fact, a good way to think about it is that the Nazi's were "National Socialists" in the same way the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"(North Korea) is a democracy for the people, in other words, they Weren't.
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- Location
- Outside of the Omniverse slowly breaking in
Ok guys I think we might have derailed a bit to much on this fascism discussion can we change the topic please?
Actually the Nazi/Fascist debate is the derail, fascism itself is relevant since the MC wants to contact Robert House, a proven fascist.
Honestly with the state of the world he's not the worst thing in the setting by a mile, but he's certainly not the best either. He stands tall among the "slightly worse than doing nothing" factions in that he's at least not the legion or an actual cannibal. If the NCR didn't exist you would probably see more people siding with him in New Vegas, but the NCR does exist so he's relegated to being third string.
In this fic with Lily being a nascant immortal superpower herself (for the post war world anyway) there's really no reason to work with House beyond having a general chat between scientists. His brand of order isn't really needed, any resources spent working with him would be better used with the NCR.
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MajorKO
Amateur QM and Writer with little motivation
- Location
- United States
Definitely a good amount of experts and educated people here, which can be crazy useful.
Also, the Postmaster-General... irl the Postmaster-General position used to be a part of the line of succession for US President, but got moved out of that position in 1971 when the Post Office Department was reformed into the US Postal Service. I wonder if such a move hadn't been implemented by the Falloutverse US Government.
He also actively chose to fill vault 21 with cement specifically so that the dwellers couldn't use the vaults resources to survive, so that they would have to rely on him and what remains of vegas
All this talk and name calling. House is pretty simple, his political position is that of a typical Wasteland leader: "I'm in charge, because I have the force, do what I tell or else", he's an autocrat who want to rule his own fiefdom as he ruled pre-War RobCo: by making important decisions, delegation day to day to local enforcers of his will that follow his contracts to the letter, or die, and killing opposition of his policies.
Honestly, the only thing that changed for him in after the bombs fell is that now he can kill even more openly
Honestly, the only thing that changed for him in after the bombs fell is that now he can kill even more openly
- Location
- Three feet to the left
- Pronouns
- He/They
Honestly, I think House would see someone else of his mental ability (or greater, let's be honest) as a threat, and wouldn't be open to cooperation. He'll probably become an enemy in the future.
Those scientists at Big MT, on the other hand, they might make viable allies, assuming Lily can get them to stop being insane. And they exist in this world.
Those scientists at Big MT, on the other hand, they might make viable allies, assuming Lily can get them to stop being insane. And they exist in this world.
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Clueless
- Location
- Spread Across Several Miles
Given all the fucked up experiments they got up to, they might not be all that much better if they were sane. Maybe Dr. Mobius, but the rest of them are kinda irredeemable mad scientists at the best of times.