A 40k Rogue Trader in the Multiverse

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LordNymphys said:
Definitely a vineyard is more valuable than barrels of wine.
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if the Vineyard is all the way in another universe then its not worth anything at all , Plantos is very much a stop over to loot and dump , as a feudal world it has nothing to offer us other more accessible imperial world's can't , as its in another universe reachable only by a single prototype warp drive there is nothing to be gained by expending effort to conquer the world as we wouldn't be able to keep it , so its very much a place to loot and leave , it has decent list of things to loot at least from exotic fauna and flora , various Terren descended (there for highly prestigious) crops and livestock (we won't tell anyone they are from another universe) including luxury crops like silk , tea and coffee all of which would be worth a fortune especially if we license the work of cultivating them to various agri worlds in exchange of a large percentage of the profit or produce either or really , there are also the more magical material like weir wood which is almost certainly psy reactive material which makes it creditably valuable for the creation of psy and warp technology ..ect , point is their is a lot to loot from the planet
 
LordNymphys said:
Very viable, just requires multiple turns.
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can't we just do it over the course of a small time skip , stuff in the imperium happening over a prolonged time span is pretty normal

also you really need to explain who he made the trip to Armageddon without a navigator unless you hand wave it away as case of the ship came with one pre assigned
 
mmgaballah said:
[X] Spend another turn in Armageddon
-[X]-hire a navigator there is a major naval base in the system so plenty of good navigators to be found (we really should have had by turn one, in fact how the hell did we make our way to the armageddon system without one , none navigator aided calculated warp jumps have a max range of 5 to 10 light years)
-[X]Go to the Mandeville Point, ready for the next destination(Nearest forge world)
--[X] go to near by forge world to sell of our raw resources and looted Ork technology
--[X] buy the services of a magos explorartor (these are skill monkeys no rogue trader's retinue is complete without), a magos biologies (customized top grade gene enhancements get) and magos cybernetica (artificer grade custom made bespoke cybernatics get) living the transhumanist dream (all those magos are to join the crew)
--[X] have the ship properly full serviced and detailed then see about getting upgrades installed like better automation to reduce crew requirements freeing up more space for cargo
--[X] buy gear and equipment from the forge world
---[X] heavy weapons and gear (meltas , plasma guns , long las ,hot shot las guns , lass cannons) and Carapace armor for our personal troops
---[X] buy arial troop transports, Valkryie gunships and transports as well as aquila landers and cargo hullers for loot carrying purposes
---[X] install facilities for the hired Magos to do their thing in
-[X] restock on supplies for a long voyage and power up the multiversal warp drive we are going to planatos for we have world to loot

@LordNymphys this a viable plan ?
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Correct me if I'm wrong @LordNymphys but my understanding is that because of Hans' unique circumstances, he is effectively serving as the Navigator for the ship, correct?
 
I just realized something we only have 22 macrocannon shells and we are expecting to likely get into a naval battle. We may need to get more shells.
 
Voidseer said:
I just realized something we only have 22 macrocannon shells and we are expecting to likely get into a naval battle. We may need to get more shells.
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...Shit, now I feel a bit dumb for having sold off a few of them. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Aside from that, what are your thoughts on sticking around for one more turn to purchase some bulk materials from Hive Tempestora and Hive Volcano, so that we can round out our trade goods a bit more?
 
BobTheNinja said:
...Shit, now I feel a bit dumb for having sold off a few of them. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Aside from that, what are your thoughts on sticking around for one more turn to purchase some bulk materials from Hive Tempestora and Hive Volcano, so that we can round out our trade goods a bit more?
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I see no problem, plus we can pick up those additional shells we hopefully won't need.
 
BobTheNinja said:
Correct me if I'm wrong @LordNymphys but my understanding is that because of Hans' unique circumstances, he is effectively serving as the Navigator for the ship, correct?
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Yes and no, actually the navigator is a very advanced AI masquerading as a machine spirit, if you read the narrative piace about the Warp Jump you can find it more detailed.
There is a biomarker and possibly even a marker perceiving Hans's warp signature that allows him to interact with the AI.
The mechanicus didn't explain how it works exactly and is possible we'll never find out, given that the first AI, the one bringing Hans in the Imperium and configuring the encryption of the Multiversal Warp Drive is locked away (possibly already destroyed by the mechanicus).
What Hans knows is that, per instructions, he has to imagine really vividly the destination (that's why we have different difficulty rates based on Hans' familiarity with the setting), which can mean three things:
1. The AI is extracting biochemical info from the neuropatterns of Hans and visually searching for a universe that looks like it
2. Is basing this on the micro perturbations in Han's warp signature and searching for an alternative world with similar signature
3. Something we don't know at all
 
LordNymphys said:
Yes and no, actually the navigator is a very advanced AI masquerading as a machine spirit, if you read the narrative piace about the Warp Jump you can find it more detailed.
There is a biomarker and possibly even a marker perceiving Hans's warp signature that allows him to interact with the AI.
The mechanicus didn't explain how it works exactly and is possible we'll never find out, given that the first AI, the one bringing Hans in the Imperium and configuring the encryption of the Multiversal Warp Drive is locked away (possibly already destroyed by the mechanicus).
What Hans knows is that, per instructions, he has to imagine really vividly the destination (that's why we have different difficulty rates based on Hans' familiarity with the setting), which can mean three things:
1. The AI is extracting biochemical info from the neuropatterns of Hans and visually searching for a universe that looks like it
2. Is basing this on the micro perturbations in Han's warp signature and searching for an alternative world with similar signature
3. Something we don't know at all
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Okay , how did he make the trip to Armageddon then , like he didn't know anything about the planet the help him guide the warp drive there ,so he had to have navigated the warp the normal way which runs into the problem of no navigator
 
mmgaballah said:
Okay , how did he make the trip to Armageddon then , like he didn't know anything about the planet the help him guide the warp drive there ,so he had to have navigated the warp the normal way which runs into the problem of no navigator
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The Multiversal Warp Drive can not only (apparently, according to the instructions, yet to prove it) travel to different universes, but In the same universe. Same logic apply, the person must have a strong image of the place, like an emotional image.

We used the action "Dinner with your Archmilitant". We had a dinner with Caldan Fara (that is an Armageddon native and she told us her life story).
It has to be something that powers Hans immagination in a strong way, like a movie, a book, or … quality time with someone speaking passionately about his youth over a few glasses of almasec. It can't be a random quote in an imperial archive… I mean, we can give it a try… with an higher difficulty rate.
Then we spent hours watching videos and photos of the First Armageddon War (which is actually the second, but Hans doesn't know)
 
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mmgaballah said:
if that is the case he is going to die soon as the navigators brook no replacements nor competitors to them lest their existence be threatened
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It's some serious archeotech stuff the one that is allowing our Warp drive to function the way it does (best of our knowledge) there is only one which can't be replicated (unless using abominable intelligence, which the mechanicus won't).

We are not a threaten for the navigators, unless they think this can spread
 
BobTheNinja said:
I re-checked the goods page for Armagedoon, and I don't see macrocannon shells on offer. @LordNymphys, are we able to buy warship ammunition here, or will we need to travel elsewhere for that?
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Macrocannon shells are not produced in Armageddon, they are all imported and the supply is under strict military control.
We can try to
a. Buy it in the black market, presumably at a very high price;
b. Speak with either the Admiral or the governor and see if they can authorize us.
 
LordNymphys said:
The Multiversal Warp Drive can not only (apparently, according to the instructions, yet to prove it) travel to different universes, but In the same universe. Same logic apply, the person must have a strong image of the place, like an emotional image.
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a method of warp travel that does not need navigators .... held within the protection of a shitty escort class ship ... .. , how is he still alive ?!?!?! , like the navigators who's wealth , resources and reach are beyond measure when united and they always unite when a threat to their existence like this emerges is more than enough to see him dead , like surprise ambush by a pirate/mercenary fleet of a dozen heavy cruisers or hired a mercenary eldar corsair fleet levels of want you dead , if does not matter if the warp drive is practically impossible to reverse cause as long as it exists the possibly of someone trying to reverse engineer it and maybe making progress is not zero thus they will stop at nothing to see that warp drive reduced to dust to make it zero

LordNymphys said:
It's some serious archeotech stuff the one that is allowing our Warp drive to function the way it does (best of our knowledge) there is only one which can't be replicated (unless using abominable intelligence, which the mechanicus won't).

We are not a threaten for the navigators, unless they think this can spread
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a similar argument about the void abacus which is also archeotech can be made but that does not stop the navigator houses from spending vast amounts of resources to see every single example of said tech they can reach destroyed
 
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LordNymphys said:
Macrocannon shells are not produced in Armageddon, they are all imported and the supply is under strict military control.
We can try to
a. Buy it in the black market, presumably at a very high price;
b. Speak with either the Admiral or the governor and see if they can authorize us.
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as a rogue trader we are on the list of people of high enough standing and authorization that we can straight up requestion them , remember rogue traders are by the rights and privileges granted to them by their warrants exempt from something 99% of all the Imperium's laws and operate private armies and fleets as a matter of course along with the right to set up and rule their own personal private pocket kingdoms , they are 100% allowed access to military markets
 
mmgaballah said:
a method of warp travel that does not need navigators .... held within the protection of a shitty escort class ship ... .. , how is he still alive ?!?!?! , like the navigators who's wealth , resources and reach are beyond measure when united and they always unite when a threat to their existence like this emerges is more than enough to see him dead , like surprise ambush by a pirate/mercenary fleet of a dozen heavy cruisers or hired a mercenary eldar corsair fleet levels of want you dead , if does not matter if the warp drive is practically impossible to reverse cause as long as it exists the possibly of someone trying to reverse engineer it and maybe making progress is not zero thus they will stop at nothing to see that warp drive reduced to dust to make it zero


a similar argument about the void abacus which is also archeotech can be made but that does not stop the navigator houses from spending vast amounts of resources to see every single example of said tech they can reach destroyed
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I think you're making a much bigger deal out of this than necessary. I'm operating under the assumption that, due to his particular circumstances, Hans has been given special dispensation from the High Lords of Terra to operate said technology as part of their Rogue Trader warrant, probably with special protections against retaliation from the Navigator Houses. And since this appears to be a unique, one-off piece of technology that can't be replicated, the Navigators should theoretically have far less cause to go apeshit over it. So as long as we don't go deliberately flaunting it in the Navigator House's faces, we should be fine.
 
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BobTheNinja said:
I think you're making a much bigger deal out of this than necessary. I'm operating under the assumption that Hans has been given special dispensation from the major Imperial branches (chiefly the Adeptus Administratum) to operate said technology as part of their Rogue Trader warrant, probably with special protections against retaliation from the Navigator Houses. And since this appears to be a unique, one-off piece of technology that can't be replicated, the Navigators should theoretically have far less cause to go apeshit over it. So as long as we don't go deliberately flaunting it in the Navigator House's faces, we should be fine.
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three things first if had that kind of support he would have been made to start with a shitty escort class they would have at least given him a light cruiser or something

second you are massively under estimating the sheer degrees of legitimate fear the navigators have towards their monopoly being threatened as they damn well know the Imperium sees them as dirty psyker mutants who are only tolerated because they have no choice , like void abacuses can't be replicated either but the navigators still send agents to sabotage them anyway

lastly if some sort of compromise was reached with the navigator houses, then they would have certainly mandated that one of their own be sent to join Han's crew and retinue to the prepose of watching over their interests and make sure the warp drive stays one of a kind
 
BobTheNinja said:
I think you're making a much bigger deal out of this than necessary. I'm operating under the assumption that, due to his particular circumstances, Hans has been given special dispensation from the High Lords of Terra to operate said technology as part of their Rogue Trader warrant, probably with special protections against retaliation from the Navigator Houses. And since this appears to be a unique, one-off piece of technology that can't be replicated, the Navigators should theoretically have far less cause to go apeshit over it. So as long as we don't go deliberately flaunting it in the Navigator House's faces, we should be fine.
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I mean, it's only 5 months we are around.
I don't exclude we could piss or threaten some imperial faction, as I don't exclude that someone is already plotting to make us disappear…
Btw is not exactly public how we at exactly operating out drive. Not even our top officers know.
The Master of the Administratum (and his entourage) knows, some high ranking mechanicus, including the Prime Emeticum of Necromunda and possibly his superiors in Mars, the Administratum Prefectus of Necromunda, the magus exploratory that discovered the chronomachine and the multiversal drive in the under hive of hive palatine and Kallidus, out engineseer.
 
mmgaballah said:
as a rogue trader we are on the list of people of high enough standing and authorization that we can straight up requestion them , remember rogue traders are by the rights and privileges granted to them by their warrants exempt from something 99% of all the Imperium's laws and operate private armies and fleets as a matter of course along with the right to set up and rule their own personal private pocket kingdoms , they are 100% allowed access to military markets
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Yes, we can requisition them from Manufactorums and civil authorities, but the only macrocannon shelves in the system are hoarded by the Astra Militarium, the Adeptus Adstartes and (a small stock) by the Governor. And are mobilized for the war effort.

We can't outright request a sector Admiral, he is not our servant, and we cannot request a Governor, we are not his superiors, we are not part of the Terran bureaucracy, we can pressure him and I honestly think he has no specific reason to deny us, but would probably come with the acknowledgement that we owe him one.
 
mmgaballah said:
a method of warp travel that does not need navigators .... held within the protection of a shitty escort class ship ... .. , how is he still alive ?!?!?! , like the navigators who's wealth , resources and reach are beyond measure when united and they always unite when a threat to their existence like this emerges is more than enough to see him dead , like surprise ambush by a pirate/mercenary fleet of a dozen heavy cruisers or hired a mercenary eldar corsair fleet levels of want you dead , if does not matter if the warp drive is practically impossible to reverse cause as long as it exists the possibly of someone trying to reverse engineer it and maybe making progress is not zero thus they will stop at nothing to see that warp drive reduced to dust to make it zero


a similar argument about the void abacus which is also archeotech can be made but that does not stop the navigator houses from spending vast amounts of resources to see every single example of said tech they can reach destroyed
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There is a good reason we don't have an escort. We haven't tested how big is the bubble of warp/spacetime that we can dislocate and bring with us.
In other words, we don't know if there are limits of mass or space outside that we can bring with us, or if we are gonna break in two a close by escort and leave half in the warp.

We could test it…
 
Alright, here is my proposal:

[X] Spend another turn in Armageddon

-[X] Exchange all our local currency for Aquilae to simplify local purchases. 934 ATC Worth of Hels (Hive Helsreach currency) and 1835 ATC Worth of Yarrick Tokens (Hive Hades currency) with the 5% currency exchange fee should convert out to 2630.55 ATC Worth of Aquilae (2631 ATC if we're rounding up).

-[X] Purchase goods from Hive Tempestora
--[X] 40 Chimera Tanks (364 ATC in Aquilae)
--[X] 20 Leman Russ Battle Tanks) (364 ATC in Aquilae)
--[X] 20,000 units of Manufactured Components (182 ATC in Aquilae)

-[X] Purchase goods from Hive Volcano
--[X] 60,000 tons of Metallic Magma (273 ATC in Aquilae)
--[X] 30,000 tons of Titanium (273 ATC in Aquilae)
--[X] 50,000 tons of High Grade Steel Sheets and Rods (273 ATC in Aquilae)

-[X] Deposit all of our remaining Aquilae (~902 ATC Worth) in our Shadow Bank account.

-[X] Contact the Admiral to request authorization to purchase ammunition for our macrocannons. This is to better prepare for hunting down the Black Boa.

-[X] Request a night with one of our onboard Joy Girls. Emphasis on the request, and try to ensure she has a good time as well.

-[X] THE MECHANDRITE - Send Callidus to recruite Mechanicus specialists. Recruit 1 Senior + 1d4 Junior Magi Explorator.


Honestly in retrospect, I should have specified for us to use Aquilae in our previous trade so we could avoid mucking around with different currencies, but I'll chalk that up to beginner mistakes.
 
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mmgaballah said:
if the Vineyard is all the way in another universe then its not worth anything at all , Plantos is very much a stop over to loot and dump , as a feudal world it has nothing to offer us other more accessible imperial world's can't , as its in another universe reachable only by a single prototype warp drive there is nothing to be gained by expending effort to conquer the world as we wouldn't be able to keep it , so its very much a place to loot and leave , it has decent list of things to loot at least from exotic fauna and flora , various Terren descended (there for highly prestigious) crops and livestock (we won't tell anyone they are from another universe) including luxury crops like silk , tea and coffee all of which would be worth a fortune especially if we license the work of cultivating them to various agri worlds in exchange of a large percentage of the profit or produce either or really , there are also the more magical material like weir wood which is almost certainly psy reactive material which makes it creditably valuable for the creation of psy and warp technology ..ect , point is their is a lot to loot from the planet
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Neither pro, neither con a looting vs conquering vs trading strategy, it's not my role as QM.

I think looting is an approach that makes very much sense.

Also consider that places like Westeros, which can't be find without Hans ship, can't also be found by competitors or enemies (dark elves, Tyranids, murderous navigator houses…), and don't forget the competitor part … arbor gold wine, essence of deepsleep, perfumes extracted from Dorne's sand snakes… only Hans can bring back to the Imperium. And, if you wanna put a vault, store xenotech or create your own private retreat… well, there should be nothing in that universe that can really harm a fortress we are creating and there is nothing that can follow us through.

We can plunder,
We can tithe,
We can trade
(Things that have little value for us and great value for Planetos world)

Literally, in a place like Westeros we can start testing tactics, before going into something more challenging.
 
@Voidseer - I added an action for Hans to have a night with one of the Joy Girls to get it out of his system, is that okay with you?
 
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@BobTheNinja
@mmgaballah

Spending another turn in Armageddon we can also have a crew action, at choice:

[X] GROW THE BEAR PACK
Send Caldan Fara to recruit other Old Guards. 1d4K

[X] STRENGTHEN THE EMPEROR's FLOCk
Send Gemmo Flickster to recruit other faithful 1d4K

[X] THE EYE OF THE SOUL
Send Caraa Kentobal to recruit psykers (as more extensively explained in previous voting option) 2d4 untrained psykers

[X] THE MECHANDRITE
Send Callidus to recruite Mechanicus specialists. Recruite 1 Senior and 1d4 Junior Magi Biologi / or 1 Senior + 1d4 Junior Magi Explorator (specify).

*Note: the old bears are not paid (but by contract, we'll give them land in the a feudal world), the colonists are not paid (but will ask us to build a church when deployed to fund their city), the psykers are not paid (we are saving them from black ships), the Magi will ask a price (which we don't know yet)
 
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