2025-AT-08: Staff and Aleksey A E

[IiamLiam]

I'm with you on all of that, except the underlined part. That has all sorts of problematic implications, not the least of which is that people below a certain level of intelligence are inherently malicious. There is a reason that even a system as simple as D&D alignment put everybody below intelligence 3 at Neutral, rather than Chaotic Evil. Otherwise, you'd assert that effectively all animals are evil/malicious, the severely mentally handicapped are, and so on, when they are clearly not.

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What I meant by that, was the outcome of bad decisions, and outcome of malevolent decisions are so closes, and so damaging, that it doesn't matter anymore, and it needs to be treated the same.

liamliam

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The first letter in my username is i. You see if you format it like, I i am Liam, so it says at I am Liam, but if you take the space away and you are bad at capitalizing it looks like Liam Liam. Thank you for reading my TedTalk.

Edit: I said the second thing because of pinging, not to look smart. /s

 

[CV12Hornet]

In the grand scheme of things, probably not. But on the other hand, pushback early might have stopped him in a way that late pushback after the pattern of behavior set in was unable to, and it helped contribute to a vibe of distrust of staff among people who felt that they were engaging in a certain amount of Nazi apologetics to avoid infracting him. 🤷‍♂️

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I mean, considering he was running into the same problems over on Spacebattles I don't think early pushback would have helped.

 

[Night]

I'm with you on all of that, except the underlined part. That has all sorts of problematic implications, not the least of which is that people below a certain level of intelligence are inherently malicious. There is a reason that even a system as simple as D&D alignment put everybody below intelligence 3 at Neutral, rather than Chaotic Evil. Otherwise, you'd assert that effectively all animals are evil/malicious, the severely mentally handicapped are, and so on, when they are clearly not.

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This is a logical leap you're making to assume that it's some kind of description of a Deep Ground Truth About Base States rather than dealing primarily with actions and outcomes. "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" isn't a saying about your IQ. It's about what you're doing. At a certain level the whys of an action become irrelevant to the importance of stopping the action. Once you've started driving the wrong way down a busy road why you have done so is far less important than getting you to stop doing that. Once you've started making your possible Nazi sympathies known to Sufficient Velocity Dot Com then why you are doing so is less important than that you stop.