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mmh fair, so the reaasson here is that the execs were being dumbasses and not listening to the actually smart people?
シン・Leviathan [Godzilla/Evangelion/Other]
- Thread starter Thuktun F
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- Crossover
Mustapha Mond
World Controller, Western Europe
The only explanation is that there was some technomagic with mechagodzilla and jet that they just don't have anymore for some reason.
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That's the kind of stuff that happens in real life, so why not? Also nukes were tried in Angels and failed, the best they got was specific bombs to temporary cripple them. With Godzilla, they are the reason Godzilla II is stronger.
The only technmagic was using the dead Godzilla The First Skeleton I think? And then the thing got possessed. Everything else they should be able to replicate with alien help, including the power source.
So yeah going for this being a scam.
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Mustapha Mond
World Controller, Western Europe
Tax write-off?
Thuktun F
You can complain now; I'm no longer a councilor
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Heads are going to spin so fast they'll make a force field.
Turning to dust and/or vapor is a very real risk when contending with Angels, and even 'mere' ripping apart of the reactor could risk things like small dense grains getting everywhere, or the slagged heap of radioactive corium sinking into the ground and contaminating groundwater.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about. For one thing, Jet Alone is not the exact same as canon. Here, it has space titanium armor, an artificial diamond coating meant to protect against energy weapons, built-in masers, and is a combining mecha.
(btw for readers, i'm surprised certain dots haven't been connected)
Not to mention this universe's Mechagodzilla, while still quite formidable, was not the absolute monster it is in the Showa continuity, where it's in the top three most powerful kaiju. It was only so dangerous to Godzilla in this fic's continuity because big G was still recovering from his fight with King Ghidorah, a recovery severely hampered by the gauntlet of kaiju he fought in the 70's. If Godzilla was fully recovered, like he is in this fic's present, he could have turned Mechagodzilla to scrap with ease.
The reasons for that are both thematic and for internal consistency. Simeons in this fic are, genetically and thematically, human, and as humans their works cannot 'defeat' Godzilla. A monster created by our sins cannot be killed by our sins. It's for that reason why I don't really like the human-built Mechagodzillas in later films.
The internal consistency aspect, as I discussed in the previous story's thread, is that if humanity could apparently build a war machine capable of nearly killing the King of the Monsters in the 70's, then why wouldn't there be even more advanced/numerous ones in the 80's, or 90's, let alone modernity?
Kiryu was the third Mechagodzilla, from the Millennium movies, and is not canon to this timeline.
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- Argentina
Godzilla I was killed by a man made weapon.
Thuktun F
You can complain now; I'm no longer a councilor
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More killed by a pacifist who had to sacrifice his hopes, dreams, life's work, and very life by twisting his good-intentioned discovery into an improvised weapon that only bought humanity a reprieve of a few months and would later create its own monster.
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Only because the movie did good so they had to make a sequel.
Anyway it doesn't really matter, Jet Alone still being nuclear power in a Godzilla cross when Godzilla is not something new is just stupid and I will blame the Ceo cause that is what makes the more sense for me.
Because no real world examples, wow that kind of stuff does really happen once in a while.
Mustapha Mond
World Controller, Western Europe
What was jet jaguar like in this universe? How effective was it?
Thuktun F
You can complain now; I'm no longer a councilor
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Even when only looking at the first film as its own thing, Yamane ends the movie saying that as long as humanity continues its self-destructive arms race, another Godzilla will appear, and there won't be a Serizawa to save them next time.
The only reason storytelling-wise Serizawa's sacrifice even kills Godzilla is because he refuses to 'play the game' of escalation and takes the secret of the oxygen destroyer to the grave with him instead of starting the next chapter of warfare. It's a stark contrast to schlocky American monster movies like the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, where without even an iota of self-awareness the heroes respond to monsters created/released by reckless use of atomic weapons with MOAR atomic weapons and succeed.
Human-sized robot who still clutched the Seatopia Crisis by thwarting the bad guys' plans and disrupting commands sent to Gigan and Megalon, while Godzilla and Anguirus did the actual tag team kaiju fight. Again, from an internal consistency perspective, humanity having the tech to size-shift breaks the story.
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Man Misato just insulting my man King Joe like that. Also RIP Moguera, he could've taken out all the angels on his own.
More seriously, assuming that this is actually a human designed Joe and not an alien one they're pretending they made, I would imagine it's considerably less capable than a real King Joe? It's been a bit but I remember King Joe being one of the more threatening opponents, at least in its debut appearance, no idea how or if that would translate to this crossover though.
Thuktun F
You can complain now; I'm no longer a councilor
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Glad someone finally made the connection about the design
This is basically just a little nod to Ultraman- in terms of story and capabilities it is very much the clunky and useless Jet Alone from canon. Have some rough sketches I made of its design (pay no attention to the legs, I cannot draw legs and feet to save my life).
In terms of mixing designs, I had in mind that the front profile would be a 90/10 split one way, and the side profile a 90/10 split in the other direction. From the front, it looks like a King Joe built by NHIS, but when you see it from the side it has the absurdly top-heavy and angular design of Jet Alone, along with the dangerously-placed control rods.
You know, having just read the first issue of the new miniseries Godzilla's Monsterpiece Theater, something tells me the combined forces of Jay Gatsby, Sherlock Holmes, a cyborg Jules Verne, and H.G. Wells' Time Traveler could've come up with a better anti-Angel/kaiju response than what Tokita and co. whipped up.
Always Late
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The Jet Alone project was also about eliminating the old guard of the JSDF and wider UN who kept insisting on conventional arms. These were the guys from the first episode of the show trying to make a comeback. Until Gendo purged them in the aftermath.
Funnily enough: Yes. If I'm remembering my movie lore right, the build order is Mecha-King Gidorah>Mecha-G II>Moguera II. Godzilla vs. King Gidorah, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II, Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla.
The entire capability to make the famous MG-II relied on technology samples from the future they salvaged from MKG's head and torso. And when Mecha-Godzilla was wrecked, they could only salvage enough parts to make the less capable Moguera II.
The world's ability to make Kaiju-scale robots is an outside-context problem and has been steadily degrading.
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Jet Alone, I assume, took ten years to make. However, Godzilla hadn't been seen since Second Impact, which is a lot more than ten years ago. It's not wrong that people assumed that Godzilla died in Second Impact and they didn't have to worry about using nuclear power any more.
By the time Godzilla popped back out of nowhere to tussle with the Third Angel, Jet Alone should've been more or less completed already, way too late to re-think its powerplant design.
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Considering that Godzilla wasn't the only Kaiju around and Godzilla has bee believed dead before.... it was still dumb.
My guess that anyone who protested the use of nuclear energy was kicked out the project.
Chojomeka
Behold! QUEEN MONKE!
Hmm actually here's a quesiton for @Thuktun F has the consequences of the Oxygen Destroyer reared their ugly head or did Second Impact delay that?
FourthWall
Love & Destroy
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- Chiraq
As always, JA is about as big a joke as the MST3K Jet Jaguar song
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
I'm more confused by how the rep is choosing to diss the EVAs. And that Ritsuka and Misato are so quick to piss on the JA. It's not like they've covered themselves in glory this fic, and robots like this have proven useful against Godzilla in the past, if never able to truly defeat him. Most of the Angles have been killed by Godzilla, or tag-teamed by him and Ultraman, with the EVAs sometimes being useful.
There's just some weird stuff in this chapter. It feels like it's trying to meet EVA canon halfway while still including cool tech that was in the Godzilla franchise, instead of going all in on something like Mech Godzilla.
Like, I don't know where this is coming from. Without Godzilla or Ultraman, she'd be dead by now. It feels unearned, or at least weird. The Jet Alone being kinda crap and yet lightyears ahead of its canon counterpart is also odd. And I don't know what the hell Misato is on about with the AT field. Godzilla and Ultraman have proved that's nothing that can't be overcome with sufficient firepower.
There's just some weird stuff in this chapter. It feels like it's trying to meet EVA canon halfway while still including cool tech that was in the Godzilla franchise, instead of going all in on something like Mech Godzilla.
Thuktun F
You can complain now; I'm no longer a councilor
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The rep is trying to make his machine look good, so of course he's gonna diss the Evas by attacking what are perceived to be its weaknesses- its reliance on young teens as pilots and its limited power supply when not connected to an umbilical.
As for pissing on the JA, it's because Misato and Ritsuko know what they're up against, and thus they know that unless the company somehow discovered the recipe for adamantium, there's no way the JA could survive a fight with any Angel.
Again, only one robot has ever fought Godzilla in this continuity, and it couldn't beat him at his absolute weakest.
Killing kaiju in this universe is straight-up something that had only been done via the sacrifice of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century. Whenever humanity has fought kaiju, the most they could ever do was either drive it off, which is something much more attainable due to most kaiju being big animals who want to avoid injury; or, on the rare occasions they managed to injure one, it was by an incredibly lucky shot, like when they managed to get a massive bunker buster down Varan's throat.
So yeah, Asuka managing to manhandle and outright kill a kaiju in a matter of minutes is a huge deal. In gameplay terms, it's like suddenly getting a pulse rifle while playing Alien: Isolation. It proves that Evas are a quantum leap in anti-kaiju warfare, which is absolutely critical given that Angels can't be scared off, and will recover from any injury if you don't get the core.
When the metric for "sufficient firepower" is the most powerful creature on the planet and a fucking Ultra, it becomes clear that humanity falls well short of it unless you have an Eva.
Always Late
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One extra little detail: Misato is ex-military. While Japan had involvement in the Impact Wars much like everyone else, she was mostly involved in high level scientific affairs, including GEHIRN. This whole shebang is made up of her old stomping grounds. People she used to work for, but have now risen above.
Of course Misato of all people is going to shit-talk her exes.
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