0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
So, with what we're picking to buy, we're essentially going for the maneuver style warfare instead of static warfare?
Valkyria Chronicles: Drums of War
- Thread starter Ithillid
- Start date
- Location
- his hidden lair
Sort of, the Edinburgh offer is trying to be both a field gun and capable of breaking fortifications. The 76mm is lighter than you'd prefer for things like blowing open trenchworks, but we'll probably see less emphasis on static fortifications and a greater emphasis on infantry maneuvers given the durability of VC infantry armor and the tendency for heavier and heavier rifles.
We'd probably start to see the more sophisticated infantry tactics that developed over WW1 emerge more quickly too. More effective infantry means a greater emphasis on their use, more survivability means more experience retained to develop doctrine and theory.
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[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
I think the big takeaway is that contracting is good for stuff people know how to do but not good for highly advanced or specialized projects such as artillery or the highest end military shipyards. There just isn't the experience in the market to make it work right now.
As for weapons I know jack squat about guns and weaponry so letting others decide that.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
I think the big takeaway is that contracting is good for stuff people know how to do but not good for highly advanced or specialized projects such as artillery or the highest end military shipyards. There just isn't the experience in the market to make it work right now.
As for weapons I know jack squat about guns and weaponry so letting others decide that.
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
And the 76mm is gonna make a few engineers think radically once the advent of the tank happens in universe, and decided to mount them onto those first tanks.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Walt Repeating Arms
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Walt Repeating Arms
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Can we get a list of what all these fictional things are most like in real life? It's kind of hard to tell without historical comparison points.
As I understand it, the French '75 was borderline a goddamn superweapon when it was first fielded, and guns that tried to match its performance probably had if anything more to do with making mass infantry attacks impossible than machine guns did.
Dezron
In the Omnissiah we trust !
- Location
- Poland
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
Nah, it's more that the rolls for the artillery and shipyard contracts were a 9 and an 11. On a 100 sided die.
The rolls were just absolutely terrible.
If we had decent, mid range rolls, like what the electrification got, we would have solid if not spectacular progress for a decent cost. If we rolled in the 90's, we would have a lot of progress relatively cheaply.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Walt Repeating Arms
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Walt Repeating Arms
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
- Location
- The Underdark
Sure, with the caveat that I am changing things and remixing them.
[ ] Sturgeon - Lever action rifle, full power round, tube magazine gate loaded. - Marlin 1895ish is the most direct inspiration.
[ ] Albee - slide action hunting rifle, good sights, slamfire, overloaded pistol round, tube magazine gate loaded - This is sort of the Colt Lightning, with some features from era shotguns as well.
[ ] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle. - This is, approximately a p14 enfield/M1917 thing.
[ ] Blackfeather II - Improvement on the original Blackfeather, modern round, seven round magazine, gate loaded, very familiar. - Not an actual rifle but sort of a vibe of winchester rifles of the period.
[ ] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine. - This is the Ross, Vetterli, and a whole list of Swiss straight pull bolt actions.
[ ] Kamprad Nielsen - Shortened version of the infantry rifle, broadly cross compatible with infantry rifle parts, solidly accurate. - Kamparad Nielsen is Krag-Jorgensen
[ ] Berthier - three round en bloc clip, problematic cartridge, short and light. - Didn't change anything here.
[ ] Thornton - bullpup, ten round magazine, iffy ergonomics, bolt action - Thornton is a pretty 1 to 1 recreation of the Thorneycroft rifles.
[ ] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions - Marsden is Madsen 1896.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Sturgeon - Lever action rifle, full power round, tube magazine gate loaded.
The Sturgeon is actually described as being a rather good rifle with the only concern being for an issue that never happened for the Lebel with only some minor changes needed for safety. And I do quite like my lever actions.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Sturgeon - Lever action rifle, full power round, tube magazine gate loaded.
The Sturgeon is actually described as being a rather good rifle with the only concern being for an issue that never happened for the Lebel with only some minor changes needed for safety. And I do quite like my lever actions.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
- Location
- Here, there, everywhere.
Just because I've seen people talking about it in the lore EW1 absolutely devolved into trench warfare so yes having siege capable artillery is important. In fact if we had the option I'd say adopt both if we had to adopt anything this turn.
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As our military becomes less shit, more capable, and larger, we are likely to see requests for siege artillery coming from the army.
And there's always the fun option of 'put a medium weight naval gun on a rail carriage'.
- Location
- Seattle, Washington
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
- Pronouns
- Their/Them
The reason why I asked is because obviously I think that's going to be a much more significant racial issue than Dacens. Considering Vinland is supposed to be like you know the USA analog. Because you know, the dacens themselves are supposed to be a Jewish analogue.
I mean, which means that Vinland would probably does have a bit of anti-dacens but It's kind of supplemented by some other form of racism that is more predominant than the new world.
- Location
- The Underdark
Generally pretty okay. Generally things were a fair bit less genocidal in this interation of the United States. Just, I am running this by the seat of my pants and can only put out so many thousands of words a day.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
The Valkyria
- Location
- The Underdark
The Valkyria
The Valkyiria are a source of substantial historical debate and theorizing. While nobody is really certain of many of the details, there are a few elements that nearly everyone agrees on. First, the Valkyrur came from the north. Across all of the legends, from the Darcsens, to those of the Mohawk and Shoshone, share that element of the Valkyria coming from the north. Second, that by the mid 200s , the Valkyria had vanished/collapsed/disappeared.
There are a few main theories of the Valkyria. In Valois and Edinburgh, the most accepted is the hyperborean theory, that the Valkyria come from an area with a hyperpure ragnite vein, typically located somewhere north of the arctic circle. There, depending on the iteration of the theory, the Valkyria were born, and developed much of their technology, before heading out into the world. More religious scholars believe that the end of the Valkyrian rule was the world being too impure for them, and that they have since returned to Hyperborea, while less religious scholars believe them to have lost their powers over time, due to a lack of exposure to hyperpure ragnite. In Vinland, the Hyperborean theory is a little more contested, with many theorizing that old hyperborea was actually the far northwestern corner of Vinland. This theory is often seen as completely discredited, not by any flaw of itself, but rather that there have been dozens of faked discoveries of "ancient hyperborea" of varying quality.
Within the broader camp of hyperborean theories is Hyperborea-sub-mundus, where the ancient source of the Valkyria is an "inner earth" with a number of theories about how to access it. The most common is that there was a now collapsed cave network, but others claim that it was not caves but rather somewhere in the depths of the ocean that the Valkyria came from, pointing to some of the few remaining intact structures carrying substantial nautical themes.
The second theory is typically called the Deliverance theory, that the Valkyria were a specifically enlightened group, but small that intentionally sacrificed themselves to sanctify specific bloodlines that would be fated to rule Europa and the world eternally. This is the typical orthodoxy of the Imperial Federation. While historically accepted across Europa, it has been challenged in recent decades, but plays a significant role in the national myth of Edinburgh and Gallia, among many others. In Edinburgh, the line of monarchy claims direct descent from the Valkyrur Arturia, and claims to have her blade Aerondight as part of the royal heirlooms. While so far they have been unwilling to allow it to be studied, by cursory examination it certainly appears to be real. According to national legend, Arturia's descendents will only reawaken their powers in Edinburgh darkest hour, and take up the blade to cast down any who threaten the islands.
Less accepted but still out there is the Freyan theory or theories, that the Valkyria were not in fact from earth, but rather visitors from the stars. While each Freyan has their own version of the story, with Freya either being a moon of one of the gas giants, one of the other planets (typically Venus or Mars), or even from another solar system.
The Valkyiria are a source of substantial historical debate and theorizing. While nobody is really certain of many of the details, there are a few elements that nearly everyone agrees on. First, the Valkyrur came from the north. Across all of the legends, from the Darcsens, to those of the Mohawk and Shoshone, share that element of the Valkyria coming from the north. Second, that by the mid 200s , the Valkyria had vanished/collapsed/disappeared.
There are a few main theories of the Valkyria. In Valois and Edinburgh, the most accepted is the hyperborean theory, that the Valkyria come from an area with a hyperpure ragnite vein, typically located somewhere north of the arctic circle. There, depending on the iteration of the theory, the Valkyria were born, and developed much of their technology, before heading out into the world. More religious scholars believe that the end of the Valkyrian rule was the world being too impure for them, and that they have since returned to Hyperborea, while less religious scholars believe them to have lost their powers over time, due to a lack of exposure to hyperpure ragnite. In Vinland, the Hyperborean theory is a little more contested, with many theorizing that old hyperborea was actually the far northwestern corner of Vinland. This theory is often seen as completely discredited, not by any flaw of itself, but rather that there have been dozens of faked discoveries of "ancient hyperborea" of varying quality.
Within the broader camp of hyperborean theories is Hyperborea-sub-mundus, where the ancient source of the Valkyria is an "inner earth" with a number of theories about how to access it. The most common is that there was a now collapsed cave network, but others claim that it was not caves but rather somewhere in the depths of the ocean that the Valkyria came from, pointing to some of the few remaining intact structures carrying substantial nautical themes.
The second theory is typically called the Deliverance theory, that the Valkyria were a specifically enlightened group, but small that intentionally sacrificed themselves to sanctify specific bloodlines that would be fated to rule Europa and the world eternally. This is the typical orthodoxy of the Imperial Federation. While historically accepted across Europa, it has been challenged in recent decades, but plays a significant role in the national myth of Edinburgh and Gallia, among many others. In Edinburgh, the line of monarchy claims direct descent from the Valkyrur Arturia, and claims to have her blade Aerondight as part of the royal heirlooms. While so far they have been unwilling to allow it to be studied, by cursory examination it certainly appears to be real. According to national legend, Arturia's descendents will only reawaken their powers in Edinburgh darkest hour, and take up the blade to cast down any who threaten the islands.
Less accepted but still out there is the Freyan theory or theories, that the Valkyria were not in fact from earth, but rather visitors from the stars. While each Freyan has their own version of the story, with Freya either being a moon of one of the gas giants, one of the other planets (typically Venus or Mars), or even from another solar system.
- Location
- USA
[X] Watt and Harrelson
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
An Illthid plan quest set in one of my favorite settings? Sign me the fuck up. All we need now is a badass beauty of mass destruction, otherwise it won't be Valkyria Cchronicles.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
An Illthid plan quest set in one of my favorite settings? Sign me the fuck up. All we need now is a badass beauty of mass destruction, otherwise it won't be Valkyria Cchronicles.
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- Location
- in between
Hopefully when/if we discover the Valkyrur, we'll be able to stop the "Ethics? What Ethics?" brigade from getting involved. Seriously, what is with every single attempt to study Valkyrur being morally bankrupt?
I suspect we have discovered them, but 19th century archaeologists completely missed them in their desire to find shinies to fill their pet museums with. (And/or because what they found didn't exactly match their pet theories.)
Or do you mean discovering one or more Valkryia? (Distinguishing between the people with powers, and the ancient culture which seemed to have a lot of them.)